Silent Star 3: Royalty

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i've already given who i think the scum team is..

i dont really care anymore who dances

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im probly wrong on the scum team

and nobody would listen to me even if i was right

im sorry its hard to care right now

[Gloria Cleary]

i've already given who i think the scum team is..

i dont really care anymore who dances

Why don’t you care?

[Gloria Cleary]

im probly wrong on the scum team

and nobody would listen to me even if i was right

im sorry its hard to care right now

Why?

[Gloria Cleary]

im probly wrong on the scum team

and nobody would listen to me even if i was right

im sorry its hard to care right now

Why?

I don’t get post #2826 at all. What I do know is your AtE isn’t helpful. :/

[Gloria Cleary]

@Pooky in Death Curse when you were being wrongly scumread, you still gave reads and didn’t give up on the game. We can only have 2 dance pairs, so why are you acting so defeatist if you can’t be in one of them?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

cuz i was right about dunn and literally nobody thought I was right and i know i messed up at the end of the day on gyp cuz i woke up like 15 minutes early and i was sleep deprived and i probly deserve to die for it.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

its kind of a shit feeling to know you were right about this dude you scumread the whole time but like literally 0 people listened to you on and then the next day u find out hey if they listened to you you couldve just won the game right there but nah

and now they wanna elim you next cuz like you messed up on something else so its enh whatever

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like jessie is super brilliant

if she's scum she probly easily wins this game so im just going to believe she will win as town and sheep her for the rest of the game.

[Ydrasse]

pooky can you please just post what pairs you'd want?

ate is like, easier i know probably but it's not really productive to anything right now and if you are town we all want to know where your mind is moving forward and not dwelling on what you might've gotten wrong this game

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Gloria/Infinity/Jessie/Isis dance

Ydrasse-Flea-Me in POE

Launch me today

Leave Ydrasse/Flea for the NK

if the mafia NK a mafia , you know the other one is also mafia.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the key here is if you get 4 town players dancing, you want to launch the townie out of the three players left out - because when you have MMT and you launch a T, mafia are forced to kill an M and you get the other M guranteed on the next day when mafia suicide.

[Gloria Cleary]

• The game continues with 7 players and another launch. At this point, two dances may occur.
  
• Dancing players will receive PTs and be protected from the next nightkill. They do not become Lovers.
  
• Dance proposals and accepts must be in bold.
  
• There will then be a night phase where scum must kill a non-dancing player.
  
• With 5 players, the game will continue with regular day and night phases.

[Flea The Magician]

Right then, it's a friday, I hate being up early, I've tired the cat out, lets do this with the painfog.

why is pain worse when you're cold?

Spoiler: 109

Tweet whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy??????
Hectic is such a bastard.
The flip that surprises me the most is Dunnstral, but I should probably feel bad about being surprised about it.

Isis are you excited? It’s wagonomics time for real now.

Why me for this? I think we talked this game on single posts being my favorite thing, wagonomics isn't my favorite thing.

If I ever made wagonomics seem like my favorite thing I was probably scum.

I've been townreading Flea all game and capricious behavior seems to fit faer personality, but it'd probably be irresponsible not to elim faer. I have this feeling like fae will flip town and I'll be bummed about it though.

Ydrasse asking to be read shallowly on wagonomics and nothing else is not good vibes.

I'd like to dance with Gloria, I think she should definitely be one of the dancers and I think I'm probably top 4.

Pooky, you're not in the top 4, and you know it. The flip on Hopkirk was weird. And since you usually care about my play but didn't join me initially, that just makes it seem weirder to me, for town!you I think "Isis wholeheartedly believes this thing" would matter more than "this person voted me".

"Capricious" - I like that word, and yes, it is me ( ◞･౪･)
*swats* My Gloria though

i am hurt

u can launch me now

Oof.

And for my next trick, I will

launch

Hopkirk off into space!

I approve of this meme (*^▽^*)

okay so infinity moving from hopkirk to gypyx made these the wagons:

Gypyx (6)

: Gloria Cleary (2210), Ydrasse (2322), Hopkirk (2386), PookyTheMagicalBear (2392), team rocket queen (2408), Infinity 324 (2475)

Hopkirk (3)

: Isis (1948), skitter30 (2338), Dunnstral (2458)

and we know gypyx and morning tweet were conspirators, so if infinity was also a conspirator flea would be the only somewhat reasonable partner? because otherwise his vote would be forcing one of his co-conspirators to switch

so infinity clear outside of {flea, infinity} because the infinity vote is three hours before the deadline and would be forcing a partner to switch wagons if flea isn't the partner

does this make sense?

<insert WIFOM/mega mangos defence here>

I remembered what I was thinking btw, I wasn't willing to vote gypyx as LHF/lurker and I'd made clear I didn't want to vote LHF. Hopkirk would've been a better wagon for information which sucks because now I can't have my hoppy dance

Sadly with the flips, voting the LHF would've been optimal ლ( `Д’ ლ) So I ain't doing that again and will just roll with it.

the hammer on hopkirk was very shady

Come inside and be afraid, of this impressive mess I've made. If you take a look now you will fiiiiiiiiinddddd.....
I have thrown away my vice, done away with paradise. See whats going on inside my miiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeend. *mwahahahaha*

i think according to the op the launching happens first and then the dancing happens

but either way I want to dance with Isis

I think Ydrasse+Flea is the solve

Tell me why?

AIN'T NOTHING BUT A HEARTACHE!

I especially don’t like Pooky’s Ydrasse read.

Same, honestly. Feels weird.

[...]
Infinity town-reading everyone in a game with 6 scum is just too funny if he's actually scum

Ydra feels like she hasn't tried very much, her excitement for day start feels kind of faked? so do her semi-townslippy posts. I could be wrong about this.
[...]

Flea:

The hammer is just ick.

Pretty sure most of us were TR'ing most of the game, and that's why we ended up stalling.
Ydrasse has been another example of LHF this game, honestly. This newfound enthusiasm is welcome though (ﾉ^∇^)ﾉﾟ
My hammer made no difference honestly, I could've just not voted and got the same result.

like i think its fairly obvious im town because I never try to get dunn elimmed if I'm actually scum with him.

but if you guys want to elim me after not listening to me on dunn then I'm just done with this game and I'll go apologize for being an idiot to Hop in the dead thread.

I hate AtE

Spoiler: 110

helloooo everybodyyyy

I am annoyed i don't get to dance. very much so. but those royals had it coming

I'll still dance with you <3 Bats are too cute not to dance with! （〜^∇^)〜

i want to launch flea

what do you think of flea Ydrasse?

I stand by my previous post.

Y E E T M E

so I can become part of Kesslar Syndrome

flea and infinity are competing for the 4th dance spot imo and i need to reread eod on flea and infinity in general

if flea got launched i'd be down for it

I will happily concede to Infinity. Still need to look at a couple bits and I'm a bit paranoid but heart and gut are saying they're town.

okay so infinity moving from hopkirk to gypyx made these the wagons:

Gypyx (6)

: Gloria Cleary (2210), Ydrasse (2322), Hopkirk (2386), PookyTheMagicalBear (2392), team rocket queen (2408), Infinity 324 (2475)

Hopkirk (3)

: Isis (1948), skitter30 (2338), Dunnstral (2458)

and we know gypyx and morning tweet were conspirators, so if infinity was also a conspirator flea would be the only somewhat reasonable partner? because otherwise his vote would be forcing one of his co-conspirators to switch

so infinity clear outside of {flea, infinity} because the infinity vote is three hours before the deadline and would be forcing a partner to switch wagons if flea isn't the partner

does this make sense?

also, does this make sense to anyone/everyone?

Not seeing the clear tbh. Like I've all but locked infinity as town pending on my paranoia currently anyway so eh.

trq, if you chose the dance pairs, what would they be?

right now? probably

me-gloria, ydrasse-?

but i haven't been able to look closely enough at the end of the day yet

Jessie’s is pretty much a townlock. We were near deadline so I think Flea’s hammer doesn’t look as bad as Pooky’s making it out to be. Idk but not Pooky. I’m going to say probably Infinty? I think I prefer Flea to Pooky though and I did hard tr her. I know scum!Skitter and she would have been throwing shade on her buddy.

Maybe it should be Flea among the dance pairs because no scum were ever pushing them. Skitter temporarily voted Ydrasse but it was right near deadline, so Ydrasse is probably still town.

So me/Jessie + 2 of Ydrasse/Infinity/Flea. But I’ve been hard tr Isis from the getgo. This is tough. :/

I have some slight paranoia of possible scum theatre going on with Dunn/Pooky, less so with Skitter/Isis but don’t know.

NGL I'm still highly skeptical on Jessie. ( ⚆ _ ⚆ )
If anything I would think no scum pushing me would be sus af.

r u thinking

Gypyx (6): Gloria Cleary (2210), Ydrasse (2322), Hopkirk (2386), PookyTheMagicalBear (2392), team rocket queen (2408), Infinity 324 (2475)

this is an all town wagon?

cuz the most we could get was 6 yesterday

it seems most likely that there is one conspirator in there to me.

A VC.

Can someone post the final VC that we never got to see?

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Votecount 2.0.9

[7] Hopkirk:

Isis, skitter30, Dunnstral, Gypyx, Morning Tweet, PookyTheMagicalBear, Flea The Magician

HAMMER

[5] Gypyx:

Gloria Cleary, Ydrasse, Hopkirk, team rocket queen, Infinity 324

[0] Not Voting:

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to launch. If there is no majority by the deadline, plurality will decide.

The deadline is in (expired on 2020-12-07 15:06:18).

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So this are the final wagons...

[7] Hopkirk:

Isis,

skitter30, Dunnstral, Gypyx, Morning Tweet

, PookyTheMagicalBear, Flea The Magician

HAMMER

[5] Gypyx:

Gloria Cleary, Ydrasse,

Hopkirk

, team rocket queen, Infinity 324

Assuming scum were being smarty pants and one of them actually did join the gypyx wagon, that puts one of each side as the remaining buddies.

Isis	Gloria
Pooky	Ydrasse
Flea	Jessie
	Infinity

Spoiler: 111

pooky i am going to be honest you saying my excitement for a dance portion of a game potentially being fake felt like i was being dunked into a pool of water and that pool of water was actually the world telling me you're scum for saying something like that about me

i think its pretty obvious im not scum here since i wanted dunn dead both launches and nobody listened to me but w/e

This AtE really isn't sitting well with me at all （●´･△･｀） then 2 posts later we have to watch out for low flying toys.

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Votecount 1.0.15

[4] TheGoldenParadox:

skitter30, Dunnstral, Ydrasse, Flea The Magician

[4] Dunnstral:

Isis, PookyTheMagicalBear, Hopkirk, TheGoldenParadox

[1] Gloria Cleary:

Gypyx

[4] Not Voting:

team rocket queen, Morning Tweet, Gloria Cleary, Infinity 324

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to launch. If there is no majority by the deadline, plurality will decide.

The deadline is in (expired on 2020-11-29 09:11:15).

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so uh, going through the vcs, this is only vc where pooky actually has a vote on dunnstral — the only concession i'll make here is that the next one is the hammer-vc on tgp where we all had to converge on someone so i have like. some leeway in my heart there.

the issue i have with pooky saying that he pushed dunn and no one wanted dunn and stuff is that like... materially, his vote for most of d1 was on tgp. he was someone who was part of the wagon and consistently applying pressure that way, and it was only at eod that there was a shift where he moved to dunn.

like, 465 dunn and tgp are null; 604 dunn and tgp are null; 947 dunn is null and tgp is scum.

in 1300, pooky hard-cases tgp as scum (and yes, i will admit that he did this in a world where tgp/dunn was a possibility). you can say that this is pooky pushing for dunn to be elimmed but again, pooky was voting tgp the entire damn day. his pushes were around tgp, calling tgp scum, making posts like this. when he changed his vote to dunn? 1421, with a jokey reason (you called isis sweaty, but we can get your buddy tgp tomorrow!) in 1436 he rescinds his scumread of tgp like... out of nowhere (my assumption is that like, he's saying dunn is tmi'ing tgp as town or Something in 1427). and then... still shades tgp in 1481. and then back to like, finding reasons to flip tgp in 1501. like.

it's just disingenuous as fuck to say that he wanted dunn all d1 and that no one listened when no, he was doing a LOT more to push tgp that entire day until the very end!!

O.O Where did this come from?! Ydrasse why am I only seeing this from you now?!

A couple things about the setup: scum are almost never in danger, but they don’t want to put their teammates in near-danger because then they need to do some transparent shit in order to save them. So scum have to do an interesting balancing act, where they know they have to bus a little bit since 4 of them will definitely flip, but they can’t take it too far. Also, note that

scum chose which of themselves to flip

, meaning that there’s quite a bit of wine involved but I actually lean towards the unflipped scum looking pretty good on the wagons, especially when the flipped scum were not.

I locktowned isis, pooky, and jessie at the end of d1, which I want to give weight to since it isn’t often that I locktown scum. Though, pooky’s hopkirk vote looks awful now, and I don’t think them/dunn being scum theater is entirely unreasonable. If scum!pooky is capable of showing this emotional depth, though, I haven’t seen it.

But they weren't aware of that, they just knew there was 6 of them :/ Pretty damn good twist though, proper WIFOM bomb.

Right, I can't put this off until tomorrow. Meds have fogged me a little but lets do this.

<spoiler with case removed - please see original post>

I'm kinda leaning town here if I'm honest... What are people seeing that I'm not? :/

oh no.

Oh no! oh no! Oh no no no no no!

and my response...

eeeeeaaaayyyyy *distant eeeeeaaaayyyyy *... WHAT!?
Like I've looked back over that post, I still agree with it. I still not quite get what people were seeing what I wasn't at the time.

#509 is definitely interesting looking back at it, we know Dunn was SvT. We know hopkirks reads were genuine and Dunn was trying to set something up. All 4 players in that list are alive, 2 are town-read, 1 has woken up amazingly, and 1 is making me o.O. I dunno I might be reading into to much but I think these people are worth looking at - Isis, Pooky, Ydrasse and Infinity.

Honestly, I'm thinking Pooks at this point. The AtE isn't sitting well with me (๑•﹏•)

Hope these are easier for people to read btw

Spoiler: 112

Wifom drives me nuts.

Scums greatest weapon.

Skitter was in a lot of people’s PoE’s and was a major wagon for much of d1, it makes sense that skitter would be flipped. But jessie has a great point that scum didn’t actually know that they would be flipped. This means that they didn’t have a ton of incentive to bus, especially since they could make sure none of them got eliminated on d1. Scum could’ve predicted something happening which lead to more flips early, but it’s best to assume that scum tended not to bus on d1.

For the record, I’m not comfortable with gloria deciding the pairs here.

Yeah because you’re Dunn read was so accurate and you couldn’t tell MT was lockscum. Yeah no, fuck that shit seriously. I’m not tolerating anymore of your bs shade on me.

Skitter was in a lot of people’s PoE’s and was a major wagon for much of d1, it makes sense that skitter would be flipped. But jessie has a great point that scum didn’t actually know that they would be flipped. This means that they didn’t have a ton of incentive to bus, especially since they could make sure none of them got eliminated on d1. Scum could’ve predicted something happening which lead to more flips early, but it’s best to assume that scum tended not to bus on d1.

For the record, I’m not comfortable with gloria deciding the pairs here.

Yeah because you’re Dunn read was so accurate and you couldn’t tell MT was lockscum. Yeah no, fuck that shit seriously. I’m not tolerating anymore of your bs shade on me.

Not sure if hugs or popcorn is needed here... Like my top 2 townreads fighting is sad times but on the other hand, this is potentially amusing.

Solid town: isis, flea, ydrasse,

dunn

, jessie, pooky
Keeps being towny but I keep getting paranoia: gloria
Townleans: skitter, MT, hopkirk
Null: gypyx

Wow this sucks

This salt is amazing... especially because...

Three out of my 4 bottom reads flipped scum.

(*≧艸≦) Yeah OK I need popcorn! BRB!

Three out of my 4 bottom reads flipped scum.

There is no fucking way in hell you should be paranoid of me now. I’m really just probably not going to talk to you until you wake tf up.

We should probably be more paranoid of everyone if we're honest.

I strongly dislike it when people insist that I townread them, because the sorting process is literally what playing mafia is and you’re asking me to put that aside and say you’re town because you told me to.

(　・ω・)⊃-[二二]<-- popcorn

Sorry but you’re just God, I would have prefered you actually be scum here shitpushing me but it’s obviously you are just clueless how to read me. You probably would have given me the scroll in Death Curse too, I bet money on it.

Gurl chill, step back, breathe. in, 2, 3, 4. out 2, 3, 4.
People work differently when reading people, ngl your "I'm obvtown tho!" has been a bit ಠ , ಥ but I've been reading you outside of those. If it's wrong then nuts I've learned 2 things this game at least.

Spoiler: 113

Tinfoil: pooky is scum with TGP and wanted to tie TGP to a townie but now realizes they can elim dunn first instead. Hmm.

UNVOTE:

PEdit: I mean yeah, but dunn said he was gonna do some more solving in the second half.

@Flea TMI= too much information, when you say something you could only know if you are scum.

So you think we should flip TGP first then? I’m not opposed, I just really hated Dunn’s recent posts.

I’m thinking about it. I still feel like TGP is much townier on play, but both their counterwagons got quite a bit more traction that I expected. Given that the reasons for scumreading dunn here really felt like stretches, I’m officially weirded out. Hopkirk dropping the dunn vote and dipping out bothers me as well.

PEdit: MT I totally agree with you

erm. i don't know how to feel about this right now because a few posts later skitter comes in and talks to infinity and then infinity votes tgp AHHHH

But he was on Gypyx. I have a lot of trouble believing there’s any scum on that. It was just too close I think for scum to risk it. I kind of also doubt that scum!Infinity would be seriously stupid enough to be still shading me after the flips. If it weren’t for his being on Gypyx, I’d be totally willing to entertain that but I really think it’s all town. I think if wagons were split, it more likely happened on D1, where Dunn was never in any danger.

But I want to confirm the scum being launched actually ends the game theory because if that’s wrong, then it obviously changes things but if true, then I think Gypyx wagon almost has to be all town, similar to Topaz game right?

My brains starting to blank here. Given Hectic told them they needed to live I would assume its safe to say that it is.

At the start of the game, the 6 of them were told that if any of them die in the first two launches, they will instantly lose.

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Votecount 3.0.1

[7] Not Voting:

Isis, Flea The Magician, Ydrasse, Infinity 324, Gloria Cleary, team rocket queen, PookyTheMagicalBear

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to launch. If there is no majority by the deadline, plurality will decide.

The deadline is in (expired on 2020-12-17 19:22:19).

PookyTheMagicalBear asks Isis to dance.

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Forgot about this bit, Pooky jumping on early looks kinda weird given that there's going to be 2 pairs.

Pookys also been trying to get Isis to read them often... (ԾεԾ|||)

Oh hey i missed daystart, did anything happen guys?

Yeah we're trying to pair up dance partners to be a weird immune neighbourhood thing. o(^∀^*)o Really hope someone asks me to dance ☞☜ (watch MS not like this one)

Gloria I've wanted to dance with Isis since the first second I've stepped into this game.

She has refused. That part of me is dead.

You don't think I deserve to live just yeet me.

I think it's fairly obvious I'm town from my interactions with Dunnstral and Hopkirk in D2. If you are still paranoiaing on me then just get rid of me.

Yeet?

Spoiler: 114

im probly wrong on the scum team

and nobody would listen to me even if i was right

im sorry its hard to care right now

You're definitely wrong. On what planet are me and Ydrasse scum?
OK fine I threw a wonky hammer that really changed about as much as it would if I just wasn't here.
And Ydrasse has kinda been gone for most of the game.

the key here is if you get 4 town players dancing, you want to launch the townie out of the three players left out - because when you have MMT and you launch a T, mafia are forced to kill an M and you get the other M guranteed on the next day when mafia suicide.

Couldn't the mafia just no kill? This means nothing pooks

[Flea The Magician]

The Pooky WIFOM dance is fun....

*

emits a lot of groaning and whirring noises as the coal boiler is fired up and the rusted gears start turning in faer head...

*

[Flea The Magician]

Never mind, saw the must kill bit. I'm game for this.

[Flea The Magician]

Sad I won't be danced with, but eh.

[Flea The Magician]

Wait why am I taking Pooky's thing as de-facto...

Whats others thoughts? Like I know I'm the only one suspicious of Jessie rn

[Gypyx]

Yea ok so i'm finally caught up, kinda skimmed some parts cause i was getting exhausted from all this reading, this game is wild also wtf

I think it's best if no one dances me and hope we catch a scum pair like that? Unlikely though

[Gypyx]

Also everyone's looking super towny that's annoying :// a starting point would be that there's prob scum defending me?

[Isis]

Pooky, why rescind the proposal? As I understand it you'd still prefer to dance, still think I'm town.
I agree with Ydrasse that it takes reads and not AtE to townread you.

Intentionally eliminating town seems like a pretty double-or-nothing risky thing, it backfires if scum are dancing. The safer play seems like to be to get the towniest people dancing, eliminate the scummiest person, then scum are forced to eliminate a townie that probably would have been one of our miselims. Killing a future miselims and killing scum are identical, it's a theory point I learned last year.

[Isis]

I scumread Gypyx's post. The scum treestumps are really helping me out with the problem of townreading too many people.

It might be a weird dynamic from having tons of scum, it might get better now

[Infinity 324]

I wonder if it was a "I'm scum but my scumbuddies got my back so I'm just gonna chill and pretend I'm town and the town are scum" sort of thing

Or that's what I'm telling myself so that I can say that my instincts meant something

[Gypyx]

I think it's pretty obvious the towniest guys should dance, but how about executing the top townread out of the non-dancers? Like, it'll save a lot of worry for the future exe-lo phases?

And what's wrong with my post / linked with the treestumps? @isis

[Infinity 324]

Gypyx, reads?