Forget theory - application wise that possibility is a stretch.
This was not the primary counter anyway, which was that I fakehammer
every game
when I see the chance. I do it multiple times in the same game.
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 9:02 am
by PenguinPower
In post 2828, Auro wrote:Forget theory - application wise that possibility is a stretch.
Application-wise, it's what happened.
In post 2828, Auro wrote:This was not the primary counter anyway, which was that I fakehammer every game when I see the chance. I do it multiple times in the same game.
You establishing a meta of fakehammering doesn't impact that actual reason behind you doing so. If anything, it creates a shield that allows you to say just this.
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 9:12 am
by House
I just don't think the fakehammer is the smoking gun PP believes it to be.
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 9:13 am
by Datisi
vote count 2.05
with 12 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 2 ends in (expired on 2021-09-13 03:15:00).
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 9:15 am
by Auro
Except I find value in fakehammers for the reactions they draw (and it's also fun), which are the "actual" reasons I pull them off. I didn't establish the meta for the sake of establishing that meta, it's something I do because of those exact reasons every time.
Why ignore that and instead post-hoc reason that since Enchant
happened
to get a few town points for his reaction to a reaction (which is contrived), it's more probable that I planned it so?
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 9:21 am
by PenguinPower
In post 2830, House wrote:I just don't think the fakehammer is the smoking gun PP believes it to be.
I don't think it's a smoking gun otherwise I would be tunneled there. I do think it is
evidence
though.
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 9:24 am
by PenguinPower
In post 2832, Auro wrote:Except I find value in fakehammers for the reactions they draw (and it's also fun), which are the "actual" reasons I pull them off. I didn't establish the meta for the sake of establishing that meta, it's something I do because of those exact reasons every time.
Why ignore that and instead post-hoc reason that since Enchant
happened
to get a few town points for his reaction to a reaction (which is contrived), it's more probable that I planned it so?
Well - one - I'm not familiar with that meta as far as I can recall, though we haven't played a lot together. So, eh. Two, that requires me to believe you which requires me to think you're town so, eh. Three, because your stated theory isn't what happened in reality, and given that we now know that Enchant was scum I should look back at things that happened around his wagon. That's kinda the game unlesss you just want me to lolvote the whole time.
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 9:27 am
by Auro
My stated theory is what happened in reality if Gamma is town: my fakehammer drew a reaction from him which dismantled the wagon on him and ultimately led to a scum elimination.
This is verifiable meta, you don't have the requirement of needing to think I'm town to believe said meta.
Sure, it's kinda the game - positing theories backed by poor logic as scum to push your desired eliminations
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 9:34 am
by PenguinPower
In post 2835, Auro wrote:My stated theory is what happened in reality if Gamma is town: my fakehammer drew a reaction from him which dismantled the wagon on him and ultimately led to a scum elimination.
If this is what you believe happened it's a waste of time to speak to you.
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 9:35 am
by PenguinPower
In post 2835, Auro wrote:This is verifiable meta, you don't have the requirement of needing to think I'm town to believe said meta.
Coolio - verify it for me pls.
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 9:42 am
by House
In post 2835, Auro wrote:Sure, it's kinda the game - positing theories backed by poor logic as scum to push your desired eliminations
That's some T0 shade... and that's coming from *me* of all people.
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 12:32 pm
by Flea The Magician
In post 2699, Thor Ragnarok wrote:Can a couple of people unvote me? I'm really starting to feel the pressure and it's making it really hard to form coherent thoughts without being worried more people will scumread me for saying something dumb. It's hard for me to work in these constrained environments.
More reason to keep it on you, honestly. the AtE is not a good look and it's lacking actual emotional content.
In post 2707, House wrote:If you had spent the day parked on Enchant and he flipped green, I wouldn't be having this conversation with you, because your have been being your vote on your analysis.
Seconded. You did all that analysis, and avoided the result. If there's a way to prove your conviction in your own work, your vote should follow the results.
In post 2714, Thor Ragnarok wrote:I'm clearly never scum with Miss Midnight if you look at how she reacted to me earlier in this game.
I have the power to kill and I'm willing to direct my shot based on what town thinks is best.
I'm hoping you have proof of this.also that fucking claim though.
I'd be shocked if none of the top 5 were scum. Bee and Titus seem likely town for pushing Enchant and Titus being counterwagoned to him. Something_Smart has felt towny this game for other reasons.
This as well as Enchant's play and reads leads strongly to one of Miss Midnight or Auro beings scum.
The other scum by my wager is in the bottom 4.
Given Enchant picked 4, House is always town, and it makes Cat Scratch Fever a lot less likely to be scum too since scum like to spread their number picks out and not pick numbers next to each other. The faulty reasoning in this is that they don't like being too close to each other in fear of looking partnered, but this is flawed and not how randomness works.
That is the shittiest clear I have witnessed in a long time.
In post 2734, Auro wrote:Interesting you didn't vote for Miss Midnight when she was your counterwagon and at 4 votes.
I mean projecting in the psychology sense (assuming that other people think/act similarly to you). Just because you would never play differently as scum on a gimmick alt doesn't mean nobody would. And people do, because I've seen it.
ok psychology time.
I know nobody will think or act similarly to me. my methods are weird, and yes on an alt I play differently. I play differently in hydras too
Now my initial point was that people can and will play differently on alts. You have simply enforced that point but played it as though its your point and not mine.
Now you're keeping my vote.
Yesterday the worst was like "guys, Thor is scum for faking mechanics mistakes" and everyone kinda ignored him.
Today, after he's dead, I was like "guys, Thor is scum for faking mechanics mistakes" and PP was like "no that argument is stupid and you are stupid". And I would have loved for him to say that back when tw was alive, so that he could help me argue against it, and I have no idea why he didn't. That's why I voted him.
Small problem... I'm not attacking your Thor vote.
In post 2685, Flea The Magician wrote:For you to take shady actions as a scum alt, you have to take shady actions as a town alt
Wait, what is this if not a counterargument to my Thor vote? My whole reasoning was that Thor was playing in a shady way as scum that he wouldn't as town.
Yesterday the worst was like "guys, Thor is scum for faking mechanics mistakes" and everyone kinda ignored him.
Today, after he's dead, I was like "guys, Thor is scum for faking mechanics mistakes" and PP was like "no that argument is stupid and you are stupid". And I would have loved for him to say that back when tw was alive, so that he could help me argue against it, and I have no idea why he didn't. That's why I voted him.
reads like thor reasoning to me. But I am stoned and tired, so will reread later.
I think that's at least as believable as someone being supposedly experienced on the site and making as many baffling mistakes as he has made.
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 1:22 pm
by Something_Smart
Like, he apparently didn't know how role randomization worked, or what a bah post was (despite these being way more common in the past), or who was playing in the game, or how to check people's post counts. But he seems to be pretty familiar with the site. It's not impossible, but it's unlikely, so other unlikely options look more likely by comparison.
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 1:24 pm
by Something_Smart
In post 2843, Flea The Magician wrote:reads like thor reasoning to me. But I am stoned and tired, so will reread later.
Please do, it's not exactly easy to follow. In a nutshell:
- Ducky raised arguments against Thor. PP did not address them.
- Ducky died overnight.
- I raised the same arguments against Thor. PP jumped in to argue against them.
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 1:30 pm
by PenguinPower
I must like duck a lot and hate you.
Or, I didn’t see them and find this funny. Geez lots of people “ignored” duck or maybe D1 was over 2000 posts long.
Posted: Mon Sep 06, 2021 1:31 pm
by PenguinPower
Like - if I’m scum I did myself a disservice killing duck.
