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In post 2814, Ircher wrote:Why would I as town engage in an argument that I'm likely to lose? That's just silly. As both alignments, I am best off choosing my battles wisely.

Why would you argue with someone who has minimal power and voice in the game state over someone who might actually be able to convince people to see things your way?

If you're scum I could see you arguing with me to try to build associatives after your flip, or to get me to put my foot in my mouth so I get speed elim'd next. But like, I see zero benefits to doing this if you're town, because you're not even voting me. Why vote Mush then try to argue with me?

In post 2825, Roden wrote:Why would you argue with someone who has minimal power and voice in the game state over someone who might actually be able to convince people to see things your way?

I disagree heavily with your fundamental assumption. You might not be a MUSH or Lambdadelta, but you certainly are loud and have quite some control over the game state, even if it doesn't end well. Also, you already out your foot in your mouth by TMI'ing there is a watcher.

In post 2822, Ircher wrote:Why are yoo assuming we have a voyeur or watcher? What are your premises that lead to that conclusion?

In post 2823, Ircher wrote:If anything, the flip of a tracker decreases the chance since role variety is generally important for balancing reasons.

It's a 21 player game, if we had neither our chances of catching scum drop drastically. I've seen normal large games with around ten town PRs so it really isn't out of the question here to have more than one investigation role. I'm pretty confident we have at least one of those roles and that you weren't RB'd. I'm also pretty sure scum have a Ninja but that's a less helpful statement I guess.

In post 2826, Ircher wrote:

In post 2825, Roden wrote:Why would you argue with someone who has minimal power and voice in the game state over someone who might actually be able to convince people to see things your way?

I disagree heavily with your fundamental assumption. You might not be a MUSH or Lambdadelta, but you certainly are loud and have quite some control over the game state, even if it doesn't end well. Also, you already out your foot in your mouth by TMI'ing there is a watcher.

Thanks, but I know I was pretty low impact Day 1. I just occasionally say the right thing.

What made you focus on Watcher when I also mentioned Voyeur?

A watcher would /never/ target me because I would /never/ be killed night 1. A watcher gains much more from watching whoever is killed than they would by watching me. Even if we assume there is a watcher, your conclusions don't follow. A voyeur perhaps would target me, but there is no solid indicator a voyeur exists.

pedit: Laziness.

In post 2784, Dunnstral wrote:

In post 2757, Tet wrote:Add on to that the fact that Andante was the next neck up after irchers claim so that would play into their favor a bit.

You are forgetting that I was the counter wagon, not andante, for most of the day

In post 2785, Dunnstral wrote:

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In post 1828, fferyllt wrote:

Votecount 1.8

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"I can hear the Hotline ringing in my dreams, constantly ringing. Ringing so loud I can't hear the voice I'm straining to understand."

Ircher (5) - MUSHSHAGANA, mastina, NorwegianboyEE, Toogeloo, Roden
Arcade Pals (5) - The Three Bears, Andante, Cephrir, Save the Dragons, Tet
Grendel (3) - Ircher, Bell, Greeting
Roden (2) - Arcade Pals, Val89
Save the Dragons (1) - tictac

Not voting (4) - Malakittens, Galron, TheWayItEnds, Lady Lambdadelta

(expired on 2022-01-19 23:12:00) remain until day end

With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to reach a majority.

Mastina is V/LA through January 13.

In post 1983, fferyllt wrote:

Votecount 1.9

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Ircher (9) - MUSHSHAGANA, mastina, NorwegianboyEE, Toogeloo, Roden, Val89, Andante, Bell, Save The Dragons
Dunnstral (2) - The Three Bears, Tet
Grendel (2) - Ircher, Greeting
Roden (1) - Dunnstral
Save the Dragons (1) - tictac

Not voting (6) - Malakittens, Galron, TheWayItEnds, Lady Lambdadelta, Grendel, Cephrir

(expired on 2022-01-19 23:12:00) remain until day end

With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to reach a majority.

Please let me know if you see any errors with this count!

In post 2029, fferyllt wrote:

Votecount 1.10

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Ircher (10) - MUSHSHAGANA, mastina, NorwegianboyEE, Toogeloo, Roden, Val89, Andante, Bell, Save The Dragons, Three Bears
Dunnstral (3) - The Three Bears, Tet, Galron
Grendel (2) - Ircher, Greeting
Roden (1) - Dunnstral
Andante (1) - tictac

Not voting (5) - Malakittens, TheWayItEnds, Lady Lambdadelta, Grendel, Cephrir

(expired on 2022-01-20 11:12:00) remain until day end

With 21 players alive, it takes 11 to reach a majority.

Please let me know if you see any errors with this count!

Andante clearly wasn't being voted

I mean, if you want to convince me that me and bears are scum ...go for it I guess?

None of those VCs are post claim I don't think. Because the jump was definitely from ircher to andante to grendel.

In post 2824, Malakittens wrote:

In post 2815, Cephrir wrote:

In post 2801, Malakittens wrote:I am not scum reading you.

So get your flipping vote off me

?

because i really don't feel like engaging in a 1:1 with a person who I think is prob town, but I'm trying to stop her from trying to deathtunnel me before she dies

I would hope that her read on you is not entirely predicated on your read on her

In post 2830, Tet wrote:I mean, if you want to convince me that me and bears are scum ...go for it I guess?

That wasn't your original argument and you know it

In post 2829, Ircher wrote:A watcher would /never/ target me because I would /never/ be killed night 1. A watcher gains much more from watching whoever is killed than they would by watching me. Even if we assume there is a watcher, your conclusions don't follow. A voyeur perhaps would target me, but there is no solid indicator a voyeur exists.

pedit: Laziness.

No reason to target you when everyone expected you to get RB'd? You really think town doesn't try to catch the Roleblocker?

In post 2832, Dunnstral wrote:

In post 2830, Tet wrote:I mean, if you want to convince me that me and bears are scum ...go for it I guess?

That wasn't your original argument and you know it

Andante and ircher being rivalling counter wagons wasn't my original argument either.

Wow, a situation where a voyeur would actually be useful!

Okay, I'm keeping Shrike out of this for now. I want control, I want to enjoy my pudding, and I want to stop Shrike from crushing too heavily here. We have to be able to make common cause with at least some of the people we are scumreading now, burning too many bridges is unhelpful and unnecessary.

Which is why I'm going to be tactically burning a very few bridges I don't actually care about.


Roden, what do you get out of engaging with a scum Ircher focused on cheap shots and tearing down strong town voices before they can townblock and crush scum? Why do you do that as town, I mean? It seems important to clarify, given this would be Grade A theater.


Andante, tell me how your self-destruction advances a town win-con in the case of Ircher, who is EXACTLY as good flipped as he would be confirmed? I can understand it with a scum wincon, if Ircher is a keystone scum role, but town townreading Ircher doesn't make any sense to throw everything out here.


Dunnstral, can I impose upon you to actually produce fucking content? Alignment indicative not on the defensive please and thank you.

In post 2833, Roden wrote:No reason to target you when everyone expected you to get RB'd? You really think town doesn't try to catch the Roleblocker?

1) There was no guarantee of a scum roleblocker.
2) Catching the scum performing kills is still better which has a 0% chance of happening against me.
3) Catching a roleblocker is no guarantee they are scum. It points favorably towards, sure, but I can see cases where town roleblocks me (even if it isn't objectively the correct move.)

I regret asking for curse to post.

In post 2834, Tet wrote:

In post 2832, Dunnstral wrote:

In post 2830, Tet wrote:I mean, if you want to convince me that me and bears are scum ...go for it I guess?

That wasn't your original argument and you know it

Andante and ircher being rivalling counter wagons wasn't my original argument either.

What were you saying then?

That's nice, Bell. You're as good as flipped red already from what I know of you, so I won't take this too personally.

I guess I'm throwing axes in Control as well as D&D.

Idk I shot a friendly neighbor claim in shakespeare to create the illusion I didnt have a roleblocker when I did

Didnt really help though

In post 2836, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Dunnstral, can I impose upon you to actually produce fucking content? Alignment indicative not on the defensive please and thank you.

The majority of my content has been on the offense rather than on the defense.

Bell, Andante, Bears all started voting me after I initially pushed them.

In post 2840, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:That's nice, Bell. You're as good as flipped red already from what I know of you, so I won't take this too personally.

I guess I'm throwing axes in Control as well as D&D.

I’m definitely not flipping red so either you don’t know much or you’re scum.

I've been telling y'all that MUSH is scum since like day 1 of day 1.

Not andante, I may have been thinking of someone else

If you call that pushing, Dunn, I'm a playground bully who has shoved every slot in the game. You barely gave them a mean glare.

No good. Try again.

In post 2842, Dunnstral wrote:

In post 2836, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Dunnstral, can I impose upon you to actually produce fucking content? Alignment indicative not on the defensive please and thank you.

The majority of my content has been on the offense rather than on the defense.

Bell, Andante, Bears all started voting me after I initially pushed them.

*raises finger to point out that omgus is commonly town*
Drops it because if you don’t know that by now me pointing it out isn’t gunna make that better.

In post 2843, Bell wrote:

In post 2840, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:That's nice, Bell. You're as good as flipped red already from what I know of you, so I won't take this too personally.

I guess I'm throwing axes in Control as well as D&D.

I’m definitely not flipping red so either you don’t know much or you’re scum.

Surprise surprise, I'm town. Town doesn't have information, so yeah, I don't know much. This is as obvious as the day is long. Would you like to try again?

In post 2844, Ircher wrote:I've been telling y'all that MUSH is scum since like day 1 of day 1.

If you flip town, I’ll flip mush.