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Magna killed LB.
I'd bet my life on that.
Either that or YOU killed him, and I'm next.

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Username:SpyreX

Did you Hear Noise? Yes

Did you Ward? If so, who? No

Did you gain Insanities, and if so, which ones and from what actions? Twitchy - Commune, Taboo (Books) - BEING KILLED YO

List all of the insanities you currently have:Thats them

Did you

successfully

resuscitate? If so, who? Nope

Were you murdered? Yep

Did you Commune or Investigate? If so, who, and what result? AV - strictly does not have more.

Twitch? *twitch*

Ohh its good to see THIS coming out of the gate.

Whomever actually rezzed me speak up so we can cut to the important bits of lynching ElG.

OK, so SpyreX is confirmed cult, and we're town but we deserve to die more.

Choices, choices.

-DGB

In what butterflies acid dream is Spyrex confirmed cult

Andy, I'm pretty sure Commune is based on your insanity BEFORE the one that it gives you. So he'd have to have only 1 insanity. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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Username: totallynotmafia

Did you Hear Noise? No

Did you Ward? If so, who? No

Did you gain Insanities, and if so, which ones and from what actions? None

List all of the insanities you currently have:None

Did you

successfully

resuscitate? If so, who? No

Were you murdered? No

Did you Commune or Investigate? If so, who, and what result? Investigated xvart, he's not bloody.

Twitch? No

Okay, I'm a bit confused, because surely the cult wouldn't fuck up like this so please correct me if I'm wrong, but:

Benmage wrote: I got occult books last night and used Taboo on them.

How the frig is this possible if Fate had an insainity, clearly the only way he could have acquired an insanity N0 is if he stalked or cowered, thus he could not have possibly had occult books in his possession.



Which means SpyreX is cult too...plus a major FOS on everybody who hasn't mentioned this yet...unless am I missing something???

Scum could pass a fetish to soulless Fate. Waste of an action but they could hope no one figures it out and everyone gets all riled up/wasting time. Also soulless was still pretty ill-defined N1 iirc. I've said this before, so yes, you are missing something.

and why the HELL would that make Spyrex cult too?

Because cult-BM obviously can't murder anyone. Where does it say souless people can be passed fetishes?

TNM wrote:Where does it say souless people can be passed fetishes?

Rules (emphasis mine) wrote: Violating any of these rules will result in a punishment according to their severity, from a private or public rebuke up to and including a Soul Rip. Players who have their soul ripped from their bodies will spend eternity as a plaything for the gods, while their bodies remain as a shattered shadow of what once was. Their role becomes Soulless, and count as a Neutral Survivor for the purposes of other Win Conditions. They lose the ability to post publicly in the thread, to post in The Sanctum if they were a Cultist, and lose their Night Action.

They may still be targetted [sic] by other players' Night Actions.

During subsequent Days, living players may post Dispatch: Playername at any time, and if a majority of living players do so, the Soulless player immediately becomes Dead. A successful Rob Grave action will reveal the player's alignment just prior to the Soul Rip. Soul Rips may be accompanied by a change in phase, at the discretion of the Moderator.

You're right that Spyrex is scum if Ben is, though. It'd be an absurd gambit for scum-BM to pull on a townie.

lol, I FoS everyone in the game except for me too! Take that.

I can't tell if tnm is really this slow or if he's trying his damnedest to distract from his buddy El G and/or Spyrex.

Dang...I knew that was too good to be true...dunno how i didn't notice that though, was that always there? Because I just noticed Percy made a special point to outline that soulless people could be targetted at the beginning of day 2.

And I've already said I don't want to lynch El Goosuki, it's too easy for cult if they are indeed just a lazy hydra, somebody should murder them instead.

OR, get this, Benmage is, like he's always been, going for murderer and making stuff up.

tnm wrote:And I've already said I don't want to lynch El Goosuki, it's too easy for cult if they are indeed just a lazy hydra, somebody should murder them instead.

MIND YOU, until whomever saved my ass comes out I know I'm gonna be dancing the dance of sugar plum fairies but I want to make sure we're clear:

Ben says I'm cult because I didn't die.
ElG says I'm confirmed cult.
TNM says ElG is a bad lynch because they're being "lazy". (Hint: both things that have happened that shouldn't have caused insanities OHH GEE WHAT DOES THAT MEAN).

AND AND I'm pretty sure there's more votes on me than on ElG.

These things are awesome.

I said "if". If I didn't think there was a reasonable chance El Goosuki could be cult I wouldn't be advocating his murder.

And the chances of that actually happening?

And this means you're more confident BM is either a full blooded murderer (which makes NO sense considering he claimed and I corroborated the kill attempt on me) OR MORE LIKELY TO BE CULT THAN THE LAZIEST HYDRA IN EXISTENCE.

hitogoroshi, 2772 wrote:Yo xvart, remember this?

Investigator's Reference wrote:Do not chose Stalk or Murder. While stalking and murderering can confirm a town, it’s best to do it on a later day when the murderer wincon is virtually impossible to achieve for someone starting out. All plans regarding stalking and murdering while remaining an Investigator should be mentioned in thread.

Any reason you chose to go off on your own and do it?

Yes. I remember. My blood lust overcame me. But now I'm in a pickle after all the investigator flips because I don't think it is the town's best interest for me to kill my target.

Benmage, 2778 wrote:

Wraith wrote:First of all, why did MoI, investigator, have 2 insanties? Was he going murderer?

Same question about why LB and Fate had insanities. But with Fate I can confirm he got occult books, and yet still had an insanity....O.o

Yo Benmage - you never answered why you specifically wanted to rob Fate's grave.

xvart.

Benmage. Since we're still waiting for all the claims, why did you suspect Spyre of being a cultist?

Also, since people claimed that they were going to resus last night, we haven't heard from everybody, and Spyre was on Hito's resus list, why are you calling him cult for surviving? Isn't that a touch premature?

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Username:

Seacore

Did you Hear Noise?

Yes - I imagine that's me fetished again

Did you Ward? If so, who?

No

Did you gain Insanities, and if so, which ones and from what actions?

Nope

List all of the insanities you currently have:

Twitchy

Did you

successfully

resuscitate? If so, who?

No

Were you murdered?

No

Did you Commune or Investigate?

Yes - El G is not bloody.

Twitch?

*twitch*

I've had a brief readthrough,
El G should probably not be the lynch today. Instead, we should commission somebody to murder them. All three should be absolutely ashamed of their play, but I think they're less likely scum at this point.
MoI was probably LB's murderer. Fate was probably passed his fetish because it's a free action and why not.
I don't think spyrex is scum, however, if the rezzer doesn't step up, we might have to kill him regardless.

I'm also wishing I went the murderer route, there are so many poor decisions on town's part it's pathetic. The good news is that 3 (2/3 * 7?) scum are bloody thanks to the greater ritual. Or alternatively, whoever has claimed they rezzed Tom is a cultist themselves, was that Ice? I can't remember.

Anyway, I'm at my inlaws this week and am being far too anti-social.
I'll read some again tomorrow morning and then when I'm back home.

El G should probably not be the lynch today. Instead, we should commission somebody to murder them. All three should be absolutely ashamed of their play, but I think they're less likely scum at this point.

Ok, I need serious reasons for this (not to pick on you who is still town BUT THIS GENERAL SENTIMENT GOOD LORD):

Three players. Who have ALL POSTED ON SITE DURING THE NIGHT TIMES I AM PRETTY SURE.

Who, two for two, have managed to accrue insanities without DOING anything. I mean, jesus, it does take balls of steel as scum to go "Ohh, they said there's no reason to cower? DONE. Commune night 1 is a bad idea so sayith the post I commented on? DONE."

Fool me once, shame on me.
Fool me twice....

OHH GOD THE KNIVES HELP

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Actually, Spyrex, fair call. Put me on board with the El G lynch. I just can't shake this feeling that they aren't scum, just a three headed village idiot.
One who's parents are siblings.

But logically, you're right, we shouldn't give them a walk for this.
Give me a day or two, (life days, not game days) I'll vote for them when I get back home.

But if they do flip town, I'll refuse to play in a game that has any of them in a hydra again.

Yeah, Iecscum cleverly claimed to have protected the dead man with discrepancies between his claim and the ruleset as-written that Percy subsequently had to clear up. And didn't even explain away any insanities in doing so! I literally cannot count all the scum motivations.

xvart wrote:Yes. I remember. My blood lust overcame me. But now I'm in a pickle after all the investigator flips because I don't think it is the town's best interest for me to kill my target.

I really hate this frankly. It's the perfect cult claim for gaining an insanity. "I stalked, but now I've come to my senses and won't be killing tonight. Sorry about the mess up guys." Perfect way to hide the ritual.

Seacore wrote:El G should probably not be the lynch today. Instead, we should commission somebody to murder them. All three should be absolutely ashamed of their play, but I think they're less likely scum at this point.

Depending on what happens with Spyrex here, El G definitely should be the lynch today. Publically declaring they should be murdered is not going to work for a number of reasons. 1) you need to assign a murderer to them, which the cult can just kill. If you don't do this, you'll either have no one stalking or you'll have multiple targets stalking. 2) The cult can just ward El G to prevent the stalk tonight 3) The cult can just rezz El G even if they do let the stalk go through.

So you're talking like two nights of actions wasted and a number of insanities gained just so we can be in the same spot in a few days regarding El G and have to lynch them anyhow. I don't know if they are cult either really, but you don't get to blow your night actions two nights in a row and go 'whoopsee daisy, Is insane now!'

Finishing reading I see you changed your stance (though for odd reasons), but I'll just leave this here so everyone else can see why lynching El G absolutely has to happen.

Seacore wrote:I'm also wishing I went the murderer route, there are so many poor decisions on town's part it's pathetic. The good news is that 3 (2/3 * 7?) scum are bloody thanks to the greater ritual. Or alternatively, whoever has claimed they rezzed Tom is a cultist themselves, was that Ice? I can't remember.

We've already stated that the most likely interpretation is NOT a greater ritual, but that Furpants had rezzed someone else that night. One sentence after you insult the town-at-large, no less. classy.

VP wrote:Depending on what happens with Spyrex here, El G definitely should be the lynch today. Publically declaring they should be murdered is not going to work for a number of reasons. 1) you need to assign a murderer to them, which the cult can just kill. If you don't do this, you'll either have no one stalking or you'll have multiple targets stalking. 2) The cult can just ward El G to prevent the stalk tonight 3) The cult can just rezz El G even if they do let the stalk go through.

This is truth. Though I'd add that I smell scum all over the Spyrex wagon. Look at ElG's 2852:

ElG 2852 wrote: OK, so SpyreX is confirmed cult, and we're town but we deserve to die more.

Choices, choices.

-DGB

From woe is me hopeless bleak despair to THAT little gift-wrapped pile of scummy. If ElG flips cult, I think there's pretty strong odds that Spyrex is town.

VP Baltar wrote:Why are you not revealing the results of your investigation?

Percy forgot to tell me, so I had to remind him and wait for him to respond with the result. Andrius isn't bloody.

Benmage wrote:Wicked also had a insanity infraction if what he says is truth.

Why?

VP Baltar wrote:Actually, why did you cut out that part specifically to avoid answering your investigation?

Just ftr, I copied the questions from Feysal's post.

VP Baltar wrote:Furthermore, PEOPLE SHOULD FOLLOW THE PLAN. It's there for a reason. You're now an endgame liability Wicked. Good job.

If cult decide to never kill me, I'll be a confirmed townie that survives to the end.

Benmage wrote:Wickedestjr without naming what. Did you get anything from LB's corpse?

Yes.

Who still needs to claim if they rezzed SpyreX or not? I'm inclined to believe that Benmage actually tried to kill SpyreX and I wouldn't be very surprised if SpyreX was cult.

oh man I hate that post so very much.

wicked wrote:Percy forgot to tell me, so I had to remind him and wait for him to respond with the result. Andrius isn't bloody.

sounds awfully suspect. I could very easily see you mentioning such in your first post (waiting on results from Percy or something like that) or even not posting at all until the results come in (that's what I'd do.) I simply can't imagine posting "yes" without an explanation as to why you have no result.

Benmage wrote:Wicked also had a insanity infraction if what he says is truth.

Why?

You gained an insanity so you needed to twitch. [kindatinfoil]Unless you never gained that insanity because your cultbuddy ElG got the dust and you didn't graverob at all. That explains your sloppy pick of suicidal; you didn't pick an insanity at night but just rattled one off in the claim post[/kindatinfoil]

Just ftr, I copied the questions from Feysal's post.

Why? If you look at the claim posts, almost everyone had the "(these are poor n1 choices)" because they were copying either directly from the reference or from the player above them. This sounds an awful lot like you just looked backwards for someone else who didn't have the "if so, who and what result?".

If cult decide to never kill me, I'll be a confirmed townie that survives to the end.

You're not a confirmed townie.Scum could have ritualed and rezzed one of their own. Costly and unlikely, sure. But you're getting awfully aggressive with this confirmed status and it's starting to feel to me like the bravado of a scum who "knows" he's surviving to the end.

Also, you're missing the point on suicidal. If you really are a townie, you make LYLO happen a day earlier because the scum can daytalk gang-up and all vote you at once.

Who still needs to claim if they rezzed SpyreX or not? I'm inclined to believe that Benmage actually tried to kill SpyreX and I wouldn't be very surprised if SpyreX was cult

And it ends with the Spyrex wagon I am hating more and more. Why wouldn't you be very surprised if Spyrex was cult?

wicked wrote:If cult decide to never kill me, I'll be a confirmed townie that survives to the end.

*facepalm*

This is starting to be like talking to Furc. You guys really need to get over your 'I'm confirmed town, therefore I know better than everyone else' mentality because you're wrong. You're causing LYLO to happen a day early. Do you not realize how bad that is for the town? When scum come in and power lynch you because nobody can stop their majority, I hope your confirmed town status gives you comfort.

hito wrote:sounds awfully suspect. I could very easily see you mentioning such in your first post (waiting on results from Percy or something like that) or even not posting at all until the results come in (that's what I'd do.) I simply can't imagine posting "yes" without an explanation as to why you have no result.

I agree with this. I don't see why you'd post without your full results first. The first thing I would have done is talk to Percy.



@hito - I just thought of something re: Spyrex that could make him non-cult. Are you thinking of the same thing? Suddenly your opposition to the wagon is making sense. I don't want to say anything yet because I want everyone to speak first, but still. hmm.