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In post 2845, MathBlade wrote:Like the kills >> One on each wagon points to Cakez scum
Wagon stall eod while counter wagon majority town >> points to Cakez scum
Mastina dead voting Cakez while speaking about Prism >> points to Cakez scum
Mastina defends/WK Titus >> NAI but Mastina thought it important enough to do , why and not me? Titus’s reads bad D1? Maybe she thinks I see through it?

The only thing giving me pause is why Mastina walls right there. SirCakez is scum by almost every metric I can think of except my Mastina makes a certain post unless it’s Cakez Titus BM
I just don’t think I am hero solving based on gut.

Going to bed now but I hope I explained why Cakez and Titus are good flips

In post 2848, DrippingGoofball wrote:there are other players that can read me correctly.

In post 2844, Tammy wrote:I did like Cakez' post about having anxiety about the pooky case and that he was going to step away from it. Just gut liked it.

• SirCakez left the Titus wagon for Dunnstral
  
• MathBlade left the Titus wagon for Dunnstral

• Battle Mage boarded the mastina wagon from MathBlade (it was a vanity wagon), and is vote #4
  
• Spiffeh boarded the mastina wagon from Dunnstral (it had 2-3 votes)

• Lady Lambdadelta left the Titus wagon for SirCakez
  
• PookyTheMagicalbear left the Titus wagon for SirCakez
  
• Titus unvoted and re-voted SirCakez
  
• MathBlade left the Dunnstral wagon for Sir Cakez

• sangres and Spiffeh drive the mastina wagon to the station.
  
• sangres is the towniest vote for being first tipping the scale.
  
• Spiffeh's hammer is neutral, town or scum could have equally done it.

In post 2762, Spiffeh wrote:

In post 2729, SirCakez wrote:

In post 2724, Bell wrote:Located town: spiffed, LLD. Prism. Bell.

I like this list except I'm still hesitant about spiff

Now I think you're just doing this to annoy me

In post 2769, borkjerfkin wrote:

In post 2768, Tammy wrote:But actually gonna stop here. Interacting with you in the first place was a mistake.

I feel like I just got slapped and I have no idea what happened and I'm pretty fucking miserable about it.

In post 2778, Tammy wrote:

In post 2773, borkjerfkin wrote:

In post 2768, Tammy wrote:I haven't read every post either, but getting pissy at me asking you what you think about a post someone made AND let's not mistake something here buddy,

like i apologize - that segment was to prism, not you

=/

I'm sorry, i'm apparently in a bitchier mood than I realized.

The rest of the post was to me so I thought that was too, and I got hot that you said I mischaracterized you while doing it in turn to me, and getting angry at me for something I didn't say and a position I didn't hold.

I'm sorry.

In post 2779, Spiffeh wrote:Is it bad that I want to townread Dunnstral not giving an ounce of a shit about this game or my tunnel on him?

Not enough to drop my scum read on him, but enough to just throw my hands up in frustration and leave him alone today

In post 2786, Prism wrote:Scum: GreyICE, DGB

In post 2801, Titus wrote:Mathblade and SirCakez both move to Dunn rather than staying on the larger counterwagon (me), effectively killing it. While they moved to vote likely town instead of scum, killing a counterwagon on town gives townpoints.

In post 2803, DrippingGoofball wrote:I think Titus is town. A horrendous VCA she strongly believes in is probably a town tell for her.

In post 2830, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:If I were scum and Cakez is town, I would not stop pushing. I would push until he's dead. You saw how I operate in Tenet, I drive until the target is dead, I am not scared of getting my hands dirty. I killed flavor leaf in like 2 hours total from first vote to him self hammering.

Compare that to the last 2 hours of D1 where I barely said anything. If I had actual stakes in this, I would just pile drive Cake all the way until he's gone.

to your second point:

there's something called "Standard Mastina Protocol"

where LLD flips Mastina's readslist upside down, and just starts killing from the top of it.

Hence when Mastina put me that far up on her readslist - there's a good chance LLD just flips that around and kills me lol.

also Mastina knows this so I think she was trying to get cute with LLD :3

In post 2841, MathBlade wrote:

In post 932, mastina wrote:Yaknow I really wanted people to ask me about Prism so I could do this sooner but I actually don't feel like waiting as a reactive thing so I'mma be proactive and put this out.

I actually have a fairly compelling case for why I think Prism is scum here.

In post 296, Prism wrote:First I want to preface this by saying I'm intentionally playing more abrasively. As mentioned before, diversity is nice and I'm tired of playing friends after Iceland.

1: Nine times out of ten, a player saying this is going to be scum. Deliberately altering your playstyle in a game with multiple players intimately familiar with your playstyle and justifying it in advance is a common scum ploy. (Heck I can even back this up with a rather notorious example if you'd like, but suffice to say, this is a real tell.)

2: Nothing Prism has done this game has felt town. Quite the opposite in fact.

3: I believe Prism's flavor claim of being HG Wells--I do not believe HG Wells would be a VT.

4: I believe HG Wells started with the trident. I do not believe HG Wells started with it as town; I believe it was a scum artifact that Prism is trying to get towncred for.

5: I believe the flavor claim of being HG Wells--I do not believe that makes the claim town. Everyone who watched the show probably remembers how HG Wells ended up, as a retired warehouse agent more or less...but did they forget that HG Wells spent

an entire season

as THE series Big Bad? Whose opening episode on the show was

killing the series' long-established Big Bad

? Not out of heroism, but to show how she was eviler and more insane than the first Big Bad? (Whole, sorting algorithm of evil, thing; she killed the previous big bad to show that she was a worse threat than the previous big bad.)

In fact, HG Wells is one of only three Big Bads I can actually remember. (I know there were more than three, pretty sure, but she sticks out to me as one of the three real, non-imaginary-in-your-head Big Bads. The other two being the one she killed and the final Big Bad.)

In other words I think that Prism is a scum HG Wells, who is not a VT, and who started with the flavor-appropriate trident, and passed it on for cheap towncred.

The biggest question is what was going on in 930s that made Mastina wall Prism

In post 2841, MathBlade wrote:

In post 932, mastina wrote:Yaknow I really wanted people to ask me about Prism so I could do this sooner but I actually don't feel like waiting as a reactive thing so I'mma be proactive and put this out.

I actually have a fairly compelling case for why I think Prism is scum here.

In post 296, Prism wrote:First I want to preface this by saying I'm intentionally playing more abrasively. As mentioned before, diversity is nice and I'm tired of playing friends after Iceland.

1: Nine times out of ten, a player saying this is going to be scum. Deliberately altering your playstyle in a game with multiple players intimately familiar with your playstyle and justifying it in advance is a common scum ploy. (Heck I can even back this up with a rather notorious example if you'd like, but suffice to say, this is a real tell.)

2: Nothing Prism has done this game has felt town. Quite the opposite in fact.

3: I believe Prism's flavor claim of being HG Wells--I do not believe HG Wells would be a VT.

4: I believe HG Wells started with the trident. I do not believe HG Wells started with it as town; I believe it was a scum artifact that Prism is trying to get towncred for.

5: I believe the flavor claim of being HG Wells--I do not believe that makes the claim town. Everyone who watched the show probably remembers how HG Wells ended up, as a retired warehouse agent more or less...but did they forget that HG Wells spent

an entire season

as THE series Big Bad? Whose opening episode on the show was

killing the series' long-established Big Bad

? Not out of heroism, but to show how she was eviler and more insane than the first Big Bad? (Whole, sorting algorithm of evil, thing; she killed the previous big bad to show that she was a worse threat than the previous big bad.)

In fact, HG Wells is one of only three Big Bads I can actually remember. (I know there were more than three, pretty sure, but she sticks out to me as one of the three real, non-imaginary-in-your-head Big Bads. The other two being the one she killed and the final Big Bad.)

In other words I think that Prism is a scum HG Wells, who is not a VT, and who started with the flavor-appropriate trident, and passed it on for cheap towncred.

The biggest question is what was going on in 930s that made Mastina wall Prism

In post 2850, Titus wrote:

In post 2845, MathBlade wrote:Like the kills >> One on each wagon points to Cakez scum
Wagon stall eod while counter wagon majority town >> points to Cakez scum
Mastina dead voting Cakez while speaking about Prism >> points to Cakez scum
Mastina defends/WK Titus >> NAI but Mastina thought it important enough to do , why and not me? Titus’s reads bad D1? Maybe she thinks I see through it?

The only thing giving me pause is why Mastina walls right there. SirCakez is scum by almost every metric I can think of except my Mastina makes a certain post unless it’s Cakez Titus BM
I just don’t think I am hero solving based on gut.

Going to bed now but I hope I explained why Cakez and Titus are good flips

This gives me pause.

1) Why do you feel both kills came from scum? If both kills did come from scum LLD likely has a read on scum (or she could dispel that notion). A scum vig is unlikely. Two kills by scum is just unlikely thus "one kill on each wagon points to Cakez" is likely wrong. The fact you start there is alarming and troublesome.

>> I start here because there’s no evidence a vig exists and we know scum had a secret power and Kitty had little to no scumreads.

2) Wagon stall at EoD doesn't say anything about Cakez alignment. Most wagons are majority town.

>> Yes it does lmao.

3) mastina talking about Prism was likely trying to attack the townblock. It says zero about Cakez alignment. Also, VCA tries to look at just the votes (although if we purely did that LLD would look really bad).

>> I don’t think so. Prism was a deliberate choice. There’s effort and walling.

4) I was under more threat than you and mastina wanted a miselim for later. Plus, I bought her Prism case. I was already pocketed.

>> You were under more threat that me despite same wagon size (going off of memory)? How so?

That being said, I'll try to redo my VCA with Cakez scum. I don't buy it but I'll take a look. I won't do Dunn scum as it would be blatantly intellectually dishonest as I see little to no way I am wrong there.

In post 2857, SirCakez wrote:This logic is extremely flawed due to the post count limits on this game making it essentially impossible for you to "pile drive" me to death without looking scummy as hell for wasting posts

In post 2858, Prism wrote:I think I need to take the day off since my thoughts about this game have been all-consuming for multiple days. I'd like to read a book, watch a movie, maybe call a friend or something instead. Unless disaster strikes, yell at me if I come around and I'll respond to anything for me tomorrow.

Looking at the votes on the Titus wagon I still don't want to come anywhere near this.

For DGB I'm pleased to see you take stronger forays with the VCA, I definitely am looking more forward to where you go with this qualitatively. It's lovely that you townread me but that's super fakeable.

In post 205, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I have 0 knowledge of this show and what its about

i dont even know who the bad guys are

so im definitely town

In post 245, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 243, Spiffeh wrote:Pooky do you think continuing to proclaim that I'm scum every time I post is going to get you townread?

I can tell you rn it's not working

im already locktown dude

i dont even know who the bad guys are or what they do

In post 459, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:VOTE: Dunnstral

I want to see how this version of Spiffeh is

In post 465, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:grumble grumble

VOTE: mathblade

In post 562, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 560, MathBlade wrote:And Pooky imho is scum.

lolol what

I don't even know who the bad guys in the show are

In post 582, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:you can't seriously scumread me

that's absurd

In post 643, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:what would I even be SR'd for lol

In post 645, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I am a teddy bear tho

In post 706, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 697, sangres wrote:Pooky, you worry me.

I shouldn't worry you unless you're scum

in which case

you should be very very worried.

but not really cuz I am a lazy bear who is going to take it easy in his semi-retired old age

In post 710, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 709, sangres wrote:I'm going to need more from even a semi-retired bear to have a comfortable read.

I'm waiting for our delinquents to post b4 I present my hero solve

In post 739, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:i dont believe you scumread me either lol

In post 741, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:you gotta put feeling into your fake scumreads dude

In post 742, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:this is so bad i think u r trying to make me look bad after u redflip so people will be like. oooh scumtheater

In post 744, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:you should go back to that game you tunneled me and study how you sound like when you are town and actually believe you are right lol

In post 815, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 813, Spiffeh wrote:Also I am probably soon going to reach my threshold on the number of players allowed to scum read me without punishment. Objectively this is the most obviously town I have been in a game in a year or two at least and I will no longer be tolerating scum reads on me at this time.

Thank you all for your concern in this matter.

I am only giving you a TR because my SRs are full and I will get back to you if any of my SRs flips green and I have a spot open.

In post 817, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I am always tonally very town

In post 818, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Quite possibly the towniest town who ever towned

In post 875, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 872, SirCakez wrote:I'm not nervous your logic is terrible if it's what I think you're implying.
Why would I be coaching Math in thread if we were buddies?

Refuge in Bad Play

In post 896, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 892, SirCakez wrote:This is such a dumb argument anyways
Literally nowhere on site does coaching in the main game thread still happen

are you more insulted by GI's lack of belief in your scum skills

or my belief that you'd actually openly coach a buddy in the thread

or MB's belief that it should be him coaching you and not the other way around?

:3

there's only one correct answer that Town!Cakez would make

In post 937, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:math at this point you might as well just claim which scum character you are lol

In post 961, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 944, SirCakez wrote:All of the above
All three of you are clowns

TFW scum!Cake can't figure out how town!Cake would respond and tries goes for the "all of the above gambit"

In post 1098, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 1096, Spiffeh wrote:And think of it this way, if Dunn ends up being a mislim (doubt), you get to blame it all on me and call me bad.

It's a win/win.

if I move my vote away from Mathblade LLD will kill me so pretty sure it's a loss bro

In post 1250, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 1246, SirCakez wrote:pooky's BLOOD needs to be fed to the blood gods by day three

ridiculous

In post 1432, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 1431, GreyICE wrote:We are heartless monsters who only feel pleasure at human suffering and the thought of a willing sacrifice arouses us.

excellent

VOTE: Titus

In post 1434, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I also want to kill cakez regardless of what Titus flips

In post 1454, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 1451, Prism wrote:Pooky, what reads do you really feel conviction on? I see you say Math/Titus/Cakez scum.

highest conviction SRs:

cake/mb/titus

lower level SRs:

bork/sangres hydra

Meh level TR:
Dunnstral

highest level conviction TRs:

kuribo/Bell/Spiffeh

In post 1784, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 1780, SirCakez wrote:all Pooky talks about is how scummy I am and he's not even voting me LMAO

because I am leashed to LLD or have you not been paying attention at all?

I thought you were like super scum reading me

In post 1773, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 1761, SirCakez wrote:also fucking scumbear has gone MIA
I didn't forget about you Pooky, you're next after we dispose of your scumqueen Titus

cakeboi

not a single post you have made this entire game makes me think you actually believe I am scum.

it's comical at this point.

In post 1817, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 1815, SirCakez wrote:YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN SCUMBEAR
"not wasting posts" fucking BULLSHIT since when have you cared about that??

I've obviously been extremely restrained in my shitposting lol.

my goal was to come in under 125 posts since that is the allotment per player - I was at 110 before logging in today.

I am deciding to go over the limit since the deadline is 11 hours away and we are probably not going to run out of posts to use.

I'm going to stop wasting time talking to you.

Come up with an actual case if you want to prove you are town.

Otherwise this is just feeble and pathetic.

In post 207, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 203, Bell wrote:Spiffeh and Math both kind of just reminding me of their scum game, but on the otherhand, they both appear incapable of rolling town in games I'm in so take that with a grain of salt or 10.

let's be real

Spiffey is allergic to the color green

In post 210, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:i feel affected by this AtE

In post 212, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:im ready to let him live even if he is scum

cuz he is so interested in this game I'd feel bad almost

In post 557, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:sisterly love

In post 645, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I am a teddy bear tho

In post 717, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 714, sangres wrote:

In post 359, Tammy wrote:Oh nachgres do you have any thoughts on spiffeh?

pretty firmly townreading him at this point in the read.

I feel unfairly persecuted by this

maybe you just like spiffs more than me

In post 725, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:#1 Fiery Fan

In post 765, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 763, Spiffeh wrote:In other news, I think borkjerfkin could be scum. Can we wagon him too?

i support this read

spiffeh might actually be town lol

In post 993, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:We should totally run that Nuke Meme game back tho :>

In post 1447, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:winning is never the point.

having fun is the point

*hugs*

In post 910, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Hi Mastina

why haven't you called me scum yet?

In post 918, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 914, mastina wrote:This seems like a good time for a readslist!

Lady Lambdadelta
Kitty Trauma Team (hydra of Malakittens and kuribo)
PookyTheMagicalBear
sangres (hydra of fferyllt and Nachomamma8)
Tammy
Bell

Titus
Spiffeh

Battle Mage
borkjerfkin
GreyICE
quiet

Dunnstral

MathBlade

Prism
SirCakez

Locktown, lean town, null, nullscum, lean scum, scumread.

am i being set up wtf

In post 931, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 927, mastina wrote:Honestly not wrong.

I actually think you're probably my strongest non-LLD townread, which would be:
Lady Lambdadelta*
PookyTheMagicalBear

I am definitely being set up here >_>

In post 973, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:she might be trying to use SMP against us

but it's also NAI cuz town!Mastina would do the same thing lulz

maybe the readslist is actually inverted

In post 1454, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:

In post 1451, Prism wrote:Pooky, what reads do you really feel conviction on? I see you say Math/Titus/Cakez scum.

highest conviction SRs:

cake/mb/titus

lower level SRs:

bork/sangres hydra

Meh level TR:
Dunnstral

highest level conviction TRs:

kuribo/Bell/Spiffeh

In post 2097, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:can we stop the triple posting when we have like 3 pages of posts left.

just write out all your thoughts,

hit preview

think if you want to add anything else

and then write more

and then think

and then finish writing everything out.

this is really starting to get ridiculous at this point.

I want cake blood - I don't think Town!Cake plays his claimed role this way, its just beyond the pale how ridiculous this is to me.

I will switch to Mastina to avoid NL. I will be online at the deadline. I won't be happy about it.

those people not on either wagon need to make up their minds or post some real amazing cases on other people.

In post 2811, borkjerfkin wrote:

In post 2800, DrippingGoofball wrote:Anything I should look at in particular?

thoughts on:
Titus
Cakez
Dunn
BM
Pooky
Spiffeh

is what I'd like to see atm.

Town: {Bell,

sangres

, Tammy, Mathblade,

Kitty Trauma Team

}
Townlean: {SirCakez, borkjerfkin, Prism, LLD*}
Null: {Pooky,

mastina

, Titus, GreyICE}
Scumlean: {

quiet

, Battle Mage}
Scum: {Dunnstral}

I think mastina's Prism flavor case is trash but I don't think it is necessarily alignment indicative for her. I thought her avoidance of the thread early on could have been scum indicative as I have only seen inactive mastina be scum, but I thought her transition to a more consistent (albeit less than I would like) activity was encouraging. It scares me to say that it's a possibility that all three viable wagons could be Town here.

VOTE: mastina

In post 1839, Spiffeh wrote:In post 1837, borkjerfkin wrote:
but i'm more spooked by the last minute shift here than anything else because titus is just sitting there, mastina is MIA, and yet there's momentum
If you're talking about the recent votes on mastina, who specifically are you spooked by on that wagon?

VOTE: Dunnstral

Yes, I agree

BM's iso is bad

Titus is also bad

I think

sircakez is bad

I'd probably vote for these players today
lld, how confident are you right now?

Mastina not so much for me, but she's weird.

In post 2867, DrippingGoofball wrote:BM - I like BM for town.

In post 2869, Titus wrote:Outside of the mason claim, is anyone townreading LLD?

In post 2869, Titus wrote:Outside of the mason claim, is anyone townreading LLD?

In post 2870, Bell wrote:

In post 2869, Titus wrote:Outside of the mason claim, is anyone townreading LLD?

It’s all related to the mason claim and her behavior and timing surrounding it. I think her claim has legitimacy in part because she claimed early, it was unlikely to be a fake claim provided by cabd or penguin and it was proactively done. Eye brows are going to be raised if she lives much longer.

I don’t think this is a productive avenue for exploration.
In your previous experience with lld fake claiming mason, did they do it so early?