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Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2022 3:01 pm
by marcistar
i always forget abt cape :skull:

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2022 6:15 pm
by Cape90
In post 2808, MathBlade wrote:Vanilla goons omg I can’t type
I am thinking probably only 1 vanilla goon, but I am assuming that just given all the PR claims

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2022 6:19 pm
by Cape90
In post 2633, MalcolmTucker wrote:
In post 2622, MathBlade wrote:Ah okay derp.

Yeah NM is lock town. Forgot about that thanks.

Mainly I want to find the scum that kills Frogger over me.
Because while I am alive scum are pretty much stuck doing what town decides.


I have to go now but yeah. That’s kinda where I am at.

That and I can’t figure out Titus.
Why is this true? You're active, sure, but it's not guaranteed town will follow your reads and it's not even guaranteed all town will trust you, as we're seeing with Titus. Scum could also be perfectly content leaving you alive if you're on the right track as well, or may simply have killed Frogster because they believed he had an important role and one of them had managed to identify it.
Okay Malcolm could be scum off this post :shifty:. It just is really awkward

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2022 6:20 pm
by Cape90
Just the speculation makes my skin crawl

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2022 6:21 pm
by Cape90
In post 2581, MalcolmTucker wrote:
In post 1700, marcistar wrote:would u want to vote malcolm pooky
In post 1702, marcistar wrote:im asking

would there be any world where u would vote malcolm
In post 1712, marcistar wrote:you still think pookys scum froggy..? why?
In post 1719, marcistar wrote:does pooky usually fake claim a pr as scum thats so easy to disprove?
In post 1913, marcistar wrote:i think i believe pookys, maybe mathblades idk

the rest idk
There's very little interaction between Marci/Pooky early on and these exchanges look like players who could potentially be partnered. Marci felt very hedgy on Pooky - not completely unwilling to vote there but never particularly pushing Pooky all that strongly either. Their read on the slot feels a little bit inconsistent, like they wanted to create some distance but didn't want to push there in case it picked up momentum.
This is a decent case with marci/pooky

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2022 6:23 pm
by Cape90
I would probably say marci over Malcolm, though I still don't know if they are
today's
pushes necessarily

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2022 10:24 pm
by MalcolmTucker
In post 2850, Cape90 wrote:
In post 2633, MalcolmTucker wrote:
In post 2622, MathBlade wrote:Ah okay derp.

Yeah NM is lock town. Forgot about that thanks.

Mainly I want to find the scum that kills Frogger over me.
Because while I am alive scum are pretty much stuck doing what town decides.


I have to go now but yeah. That’s kinda where I am at.

That and I can’t figure out Titus.
Why is this true? You're active, sure, but it's not guaranteed town will follow your reads and it's not even guaranteed all town will trust you, as we're seeing with Titus. Scum could also be perfectly content leaving you alive if you're on the right track as well, or may simply have killed Frogster because they believed he had an important role and one of them had managed to identify it.
Okay Malcolm could be scum off this post :shifty:. It just is really awkward
In post 2851, Cape90 wrote:Just the speculation makes my skin crawl
I'm often like this though. When I'm uncertain on things I like clarity. I tend to speculate. Is any of what I said particularly wrong?

Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2022 10:28 pm
by MalcolmTucker
Luke seems town so far on their play. Didn't like BCG but suppose it's possible they largely just got disengaged given the replace out.

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 1:55 am
by Lukewarm
In post 2847, Enchant wrote:
In post 2825, Lukewarm wrote:Am interested in more info on enchants claim too. Has he said more then what is in that post?
Yes.

My role is also doubled.
In your thing it says "no action," does that mean you did not act or that you have not revealed your results?

Because if you are one of the claimed invests (Tracker, Follower, Rolecop, Voyeur) I don't get why you would not have acted yet.

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 2:00 am
by Enchant
no action means no action

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 2:05 am
by Lukewarm
In post 2833, MathBlade wrote:How does that test Marci?

I believe she’s that role regardless of her alignment?
In post 2834, MathBlade wrote:And if she was on Pooky as I explained to Titus

I would have gotten
1 killing action
1 protective
1 investigative

So then Pooky is just the elim that day
Saving Pooky doesn’t help scum there.

We get the same result.
I don't think that that is the same result for the scum team, because while it only saves pooky for a single day phase, it shields all other members of the scum team for this day as well --- so my point is that if she was scum, she would have saved pooky anyways. and since he was not saved by a doc, confirming her as a doc would make her more likely today.

Also, if she saw a loyal body guard claim saying that they were going to be on him as well, might think that this could provide a false clear on pooky since he would be saved, and the bodyguard might think that he was the one that did it.

Seeing this post, I am realizing that it would result in an unexpected invest on pooky that night, but like, I think that you still might go for it instead of just letting pooky die?

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 2:10 am
by Enchant
It was expected result.
Math specifically told that he will be on Pooky.


So there's no reason why mafia would't just shot Math and heal Pooky if Marci is mafia. Unless Marci and Math both scum. But then it's illogical for them to bus Pooky if they can just... not?

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 3:26 am
by MathBlade
In post 2858, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 2833, MathBlade wrote:How does that test Marci?

I believe she’s that role regardless of her alignment?
In post 2834, MathBlade wrote:And if she was on Pooky as I explained to Titus

I would have gotten
1 killing action
1 protective
1 investigative

So then Pooky is just the elim that day
Saving Pooky doesn’t help scum there.

We get the same result.
I don't think that that is the same result for the scum team, because while it only saves pooky for a single day phase, it shields all other members of the scum team for this day as well --- so my point is that if she was scum, she would have saved pooky anyways. and since he was not saved by a doc, confirming her as a doc would make her more likely today.

Also, if she saw a loyal body guard claim saying that they were going to be on him as well, might think that this could provide a false clear on pooky since he would be saved, and the bodyguard might think that he was the one that did it.

Seeing this post, I am realizing that it would result in an unexpected invest on pooky that night, but like, I think that you still might go for it instead of just letting pooky die?
Except it wouldn’t be a guilty on BGC though

Because of their claims (BG and vig)

If an additional action occurs and no one claimed it then I’d me more convinced BGC was being framed.

Town would have no reason to invest there (because of many many times not to visit) and scum would learn nothing.

It’d make me look for a combined protective investigative.

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 3:28 am
by MathBlade
In post 2859, Enchant wrote:It was expected result.
Math specifically told that he will be on Pooky.


So there's no reason why mafia would't just shot Math and heal Pooky if Marci is mafia. Unless Marci and Math both scum. But then it's illogical for them to bus Pooky if they can just... not?
Correct. If I am scum here (which I am not) then wasting effort defending Pooky there would be capital best spent otherwise. Enchant is correct here in what I would do as scum which makes me think he’s trying to sort me which makes me think he is town.

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 3:30 am
by MathBlade
In post 2860, MathBlade wrote:
In post 2858, Lukewarm wrote:
In post 2833, MathBlade wrote:How does that test Marci?

I believe she’s that role regardless of her alignment?
In post 2834, MathBlade wrote:And if she was on Pooky as I explained to Titus

I would have gotten
1 killing action
1 protective
1 investigative

So then Pooky is just the elim that day
Saving Pooky doesn’t help scum there.

We get the same result.
I don't think that that is the same result for the scum team, because while it only saves pooky for a single day phase, it shields all other members of the scum team for this day as well --- so my point is that if she was scum, she would have saved pooky anyways. and since he was not saved by a doc, confirming her as a doc would make her more likely today.

Also, if she saw a loyal body guard claim saying that they were going to be on him as well, might think that this could provide a false clear on pooky since he would be saved, and the bodyguard might think that he was the one that did it.

Seeing this post, I am realizing that it would result in an unexpected invest on pooky that night, but like, I think that you still might go for it instead of just letting pooky die?
Except it wouldn’t be a guilty on BGC though

Because of their claims (BG and vig)

If an additional action occurs and no one claimed it then I’d me more convinced BGC was being framed.

Town would have no reason to invest there (because of many many times not to visit) and scum would learn nothing.

It’d make me look for a combined protective investigative.
Furthermore it would not provide a false clear on Pooky.

Disloyal killing action arrived at Pooky << This is a fact to me.
Whether or not Pooky lives or dies or not if I get that that person is opposite alignment to NM. NM is confirmed town due to vig. Ergo Pooky = scum to me and I never ever relent.

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:16 am
by Toogeloo
VOTE: MariaR

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 6:07 am
by Lukewarm
Okay, I read through Pooky's iso, and my feeling was that he is not partnered with Marci or Toog (Or Frog or greeting, but I saw that they flipped already lol).

Marci because it was his opening push on Day 2
In post 1626, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I am currently voting for Marci cuz she isn't reacting like she does when she's town. Her responses are too nonchalant like she is trying to play things cool.
This is probably the most put together reason behind any of his votes other then greeeting/Alisae day 1 and then Frog end of day 2, and there was steady suspicion on Marci during day 1, into opening up pushing her.

With Toog, his interactions look more like pocketing attempts then partner interactions.

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I was surprised by Pooky's town case on Math with 1460 and (more detailed)
In post 1460, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:lol mathblade town for the nonstop spam
This is a weird place and reason for pooky to drop this town read because we just walked out of a game where math repped in as scum, spammed the shit out of the game, and pooky was screaming for his head. This seems like an easy place for pooky to claim it as "this is Math in Lost 2.0"

I saw that he was run up day 2, so gonna try to look over that build up / break down.

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:27 am
by marcistar
so whatd u decide bestie

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:23 am
by Lukewarm
In post 2865, marcistar wrote:so whatd u decide bestie
That was not a going to right now, that was going to next time I get a moment.

Life has been busy last few days, and if I had known I probably would not have joined, but :shrug:

Looking back now actually. Who do you think it is?

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 9:26 am
by Not_Mafia
Is BCG slot not eliminated yet?

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 10:13 am
by schadd_
Spoiler:
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vote count 3.4 !


Lukewarm (2):
MalcolmTucker, Titus
Big Chungus Gaming (2):
Not_Mafia, MariaR
Enchant (1):
Big Chungus Gaming
MariaR (1):
Toogeloo

not voting (5):
Enchant, Lukewarm, marcistar, MathBlade, Cape90


with 11 alive, it takes 6 to blow someone up. day 3 ends in (expired on 2022-11-02 20:38:11)


modorator notes
  • still replacing big chungus gaming

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 10:32 am
by Lukewarm
Only got through part of the day, did not even get to the pooky wagon yet, but I am kinda at (unsorted within tiers)

Town
Not_Mafia

Town Lean
Toogeloo
MathBlade
marcistar

Null:Town
MariaR

Null
Enchant

scum lean
MalcolmTucker
Cape90
Titus
Big Chungus Gaming

Cape and Malcolm not together.


Spoiler: Luke's thoughts
In post 1225, MalcolmTucker wrote:
In post 955, KittyTacky wrote:
In post 947, Big Chungus Gaming wrote:VOTE: frog

ok just policy this
OMGUS amogus.

You:
1) scum flailed
2) trolled in a disruptive way
3) made weird votes
4) were opportunistic
5) gave me bad vibes
I feel like this from Kitty is spot on regarding BCG but then gives us the classic scenario of "would BCG be so obvious as to eliminate Kitty here?" It's giving me pause on the slot at least.
In post 1229, MalcolmTucker wrote:
In post 1226, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 1225, MalcolmTucker wrote:I feel like this from Kitty is spot on regarding BCG but then gives us the classic scenario of "would BCG be so obvious as to eliminate Kitty here?" It's giving me pause on the slot at least.
Don't like this. IIoA in passive defense of BGC.
I don't think it's passive at all. I'm known for a player who frustratingly and regularly pauses when it comes to reading others at times. I'm still running through the thread since I'd been gone but I'm genuinely intrigued to know what you think - Kitty outlines a pretty blatant, good case on BCG here, so I'm unsure if the kill is a bit obvious coming from scum, because eliminating someone who suspects you/has caught you is something scum are known for sometimes wanting to avoid.
In post 1230, MalcolmTucker wrote:Put it this way - I'm not sure you could read back posts from both me and BCG and see us as likely being paired.
I kinda hate this series of posts from Malcolm. First stating that Chungus would not kill Kitty night 1, because Kitty called him scum Day 1 which is pretty silly on its own, but when called out for it jumped to "but are we paired?" Which is a pretty wild place to jump to
In post 1238, furtiveglance wrote:
In post 1232, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 1228, furtiveglance wrote:
In post 1226, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 1225, MalcolmTucker wrote:I feel like this from Kitty is spot on regarding BCG but then gives us the classic scenario of "would BCG be so obvious as to eliminate Kitty here?" It's giving me pause on the slot at least.
Don't like this. IIoA in passive defense of BGC.
What's IIoA?
Information instead of analysis. MT doesn't say anything about what he thinks the night kill actually reflects, he just points out that it's a factor and leaves it hanging as some kind of implied counterpoint against Kitty's case being "spot on."

Pedit

I don't like him going after Charloux here either.

VOTE: Malcolm

I want Big Chungus dead D3 especially if this flips scum.
My gut reaction is also a bad one to these posts of Malcolm. 'We obviously aren't paired' makes me think 'we distanced really well' and I thought Malcolm was scum yesterday as well. However my other scumread was wrong. I may be in over my head here. Sometimes it's good to let the game play out a bit and the scummers will kind of sink to the bottom.

Anyway, I'll join you for now because I gotta be right on something

VOTE: MalcolmTucker
aye furtive saw it too

I hate Cape's 1269/1270 defense of Malcolm, acting like it is impossible for a town player to see Malcolm's comments as possibly suspicious
Spoiler:
In post 1269, Cape90 wrote:
In post 1232, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 1228, furtiveglance wrote:
In post 1226, Frogsterking wrote:
In post 1225, MalcolmTucker wrote:I feel like this from Kitty is spot on regarding BCG but then gives us the classic scenario of "would BCG be so obvious as to eliminate Kitty here?" It's giving me pause on the slot at least.
Don't like this. IIoA in passive defense of BGC.
What's IIoA?
Information instead of analysis. MT doesn't say anything about what he thinks the night kill actually reflects, he just points out that it's a factor and leaves it hanging as some kind of implied counterpoint against Kitty's case being "spot on."

Pedit

I don't like him going after Charloux here either.

VOTE: Malcolm

I want Big Chungus dead D3 especially if this flips scum.
your voting malcolm after all that?

lol maybe you are just mafia
In post 1270, Cape90 wrote:people are scumreading malcolm at this SOD of all SOD's he has easily had the towniest start so far to the day like ??????????

disappointed if one of frog/furtive are town

and i think at least 1 is
[/spoil/er]

Which, I thought his entrance day 2 was suspicious (and both people he called out are conf. town too)

And then just later Malcolm takes furtive's joke post 1279 seriously, and frames it as scummy
In post 1311, MalcolmTucker wrote:immediately begins to sort of bargain with other players wanting to vote from them
Which is then mirrored by Cape
In post 1317, Cape90 wrote:In post 1279, furtiveglance wrote:
Please don't do this. I can move my vote. I can change!


This response to me felt weird, like are you TMIing me as town?

During this time, I saw them both lightly defending Pooky, but did not grab those quotes.


I don't like either of their positioning here, but also don't think that they are ever scum together.

Struggling to figure out which I think is more likely, because I hated Malcolm's posting start of day, but Cape's posting came after which makes more sense if he is mirroring Malcolm.

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MariaR's does not feel like something you say about a partner

I found myself nodding along to Math's about Titus, and then in the next several titus posts she just seems to be shit stirring with Mathblade, not actually trying to sort him.

I liked marci's
In post 1478, MalcolmTucker wrote:
Marci accused me of going for an easy read in Maria but I'd argue I put out a reasonable and logical town defence of STD who was accumulating a fair few scumreads at the time.
I may be reading this wrong, but it feels like he is saying "Marci scum read me for having an easy scum read, but ignored the town read I dropped on STD" which is a weird defense. because having a good town read has little influence on having a bad scum read? Like town reads are easier for scum lol. It also feels like it implies that if he was scum, he would have just scum read STD, which ignores the possibility that STD slot could be scum. Feels like it preflipped my slot town, or tmi'ed it that way.

----

I hit a BCG check in, and was uninspired (wanted to kill my slot lmao) -- I also saw someone say that it was Koba, and I am used to Koba being way more invested in solving. Like actually yelling at us for killing scum too fast, because he wasn't able to scum hunt as thoroughly as he wanted to lol

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Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 10:33 am
by Lukewarm
Might be down to kill BCG just because its lower down, and the slot is not getting replaced x.x

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 10:43 am
by Titus
I'm going to be slow to respond until tmo afternoon. Hopefully brief medical issue.

Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2022 11:12 am
by Cape90
I think there was certainly a towny self-confidence that comes from Malcolm posts like
In post 1229, MalcolmTucker wrote:I don't think it's passive at all. I'm known for a player who frustratingly and regularly pauses when it comes to reading others at times. I'm still running through the thread since I'd been gone but I'm genuinely intrigued to know what you think - Kitty outlines a pretty blatant, good case on BCG here, so I'm unsure if the kill is a bit obvious coming from scum, because eliminating someone who suspects you/has caught you is something scum are known for sometimes wanting to avoid.
That I just thought looked towny when they were catching up. Frankly, I was being a bit lazy and starting to get dissociative with this game since the slower pace was kind of just making me less invested when things slowed way down

I do express concern for what this post
In post 1224, MalcolmTucker wrote:
In post 948, Big Chungus Gaming wrote:this is obnoxious frogster but not with the passion that you feel from town obnoxious frogster

this is someone trying to desperately push someone off fosing their slot and not wanting to use a nightkill on them because crescent was probably an assigned mislim bc of her lowposting and flaking


frog if you are town and playing like this, im disappointed and I cannot say I did not try to extend several olive branches to understand you. i read your posts, I calculated scenarios, and the scenarios where you are mafia are the most likely. if you are town you can reduce that by actaully coming clean about why your thought process is the way it is. otherwise I am sticking to my guts and sticking here.
I'm not really sure why Frogster accuses BCG of being a troll to try and deflect attention away from themselves by BCG instead of just...normally scumreading BCG. The logic here feels like a bit of a reach. BCG has attracted plenty of suspicion so far and isn't exactly an outsider choice scumread, Frogster making up a convoluted reason to suspect and vote for them as scum themselves seems pretty unlikely to me. Approaching it from this POV I think Frogster is probably just town who suspects BCG and genuinely dislikes their play.
Means for BCG, also the read on Frogster is something that looks a lot more scummy with the knowledge of Frogsterking being town.
In post 1231, MalcolmTucker wrote:
In post 1027, Charloux wrote:
@Mod :
I unvoted std, and didn't vote for malcolm

I only have 2 townreads right now and that's Frog and cape. Had a townread on fennec/furtive but it's been kinda fading over time. Not a fan of furtive so far.

My only scum read is Malcolm, and std by extension to him. Malcolm is on V/LA so no point in pushing him.

Maria, Pooky and Gamma/NM i will let be for today.

I'm up for a policy execution on BCG and toog. Toog turned his brain off and is just parroting. Hate BCG whole "Higher than thou" and "can't touch me" attitude following Gamma ban. His exe would bring the game some peace.

Titus, Greeting, Enchant, Kitty and Marci are null. I admit i haven't been paying much attention to Kitty and Greeting.
The priority right now should be me getting a read on Greeting, but the chance of me getting a townread strong enough that i refuse to vote is slim at best.
If i noticed anything scummy at a glance they wouldn't be null right now.
This feels really weak and scummy, almost blatantly so to a degree that's comical. One scumread on someone who was inactive, up for policy eliminations for pretty flimsy reasons in Toog's case especially and not much content in general despite being a lengthy post.
This response to a slot I think is town at this point seems really shady, I mean MathBlade probably became really obvious town when they got here.

There was also the fuel of me scumreading furtiveglance

Sidenote: One of the reasons why I don't play on here is this shit that happens in MS games, the fucking like 9 substitutions this game? Are we serious? Like even Toog with their day 1 gameplay could avoid this. It's just bad for the gamestate, hate to say it, and I never wanted to bring this up, but it sure is annoying. It makes me not even wanna try