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In post 2869, MastinSSK wrote:As mentioned, that was the snarking. More seriously, Rancid is the counterwagon to PeregrineV, because the wagon on PV was there first, and for much longer.

You're being hyper-technical while missing the point.

Or choosing to ignore it.

Because you're scum.

In post 2869, MastinSSK wrote:(Let's ignore the irony in you saying my play is scummy for a bit.) As I recall, you started telling me this in House Party.

I'm pretty sure I say this to you every game at this point.

It's a cheap persuasion technique that pisses me off.

In post 2868, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:oh god maybe BroDesp are scum.

The thing is I'm not going to really buy anyone's reads from the neighborhood when I don't see good reasons to call them town here too, and that's probably a bit hypocritical as I've expected people to take my word on people in a neighborhood with me. But I also know that I tend to Scumhunt and talk quite a bit in a neighborhood, so. But in Viscon empire cleared his entirely scum filled nieghborhood and I've not been able to really trust other people's neighborhood reads since then :/

In post 2869, MastinSSK wrote:Modified. Stronger in some ways, weaker than others. And, yes. My role is stronger in some ways than a normal tree stump. Among them being that I count as being alive rather than dead, and that I can place a vote even if the vote doesn't lynch, and that if the town trusts me, I gain the ability to vote at 9 players alive. Weaker in that I can get lynched.

As for my play, keep telling yourself that.

You know what a normal tree stump gets to do?

Be a VT that basically becomes what you are now AFTER it dies.

So it's functionally BP AND lynchproof, just getting shot or lynched costs it its vote.

That's a lot better than what you have.

In post 2871, Just Sheep Us wrote:

In post 2863, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:

In post 2862, Just Sheep Us wrote:

In post 2856, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:He's not talking about the towniness of counterclaiming 90 pages later. He's talking about the towniness of not buying the counterclaim initially.

He asked "What kind of town accepts a CC that comes 90 pages later."

I asked the questions that *should* be the town thought process in thinking through such a decision.

Which would have made it obvious that CF is town.

I think seeing that is easier and therefore happens more quickly from the outside rather than from the inside though.

If anything, it should be easier if you're faking miller because you know that you're not a miller...

Not if you've been locked in a scumread and protracted wall-wars for most of the game, no.

Remember the indie upick? For me, it turned out to be one of the few games where I had a read I should have subsumed to setup spec. but the read was undeniable. and wrong. Even if I'd been right, theory said I should have unvoted.

We're not going to convince each other.

In post 2831, Natirasha wrote:

Unvote

I'm at work and can't swap accounts but I'm feeling masochistic enough to force the NL and 1v1 tomorrow. So please count this Cabd.

F-16, if you really think both my scumbuddies hard defend me day one like this, Lol. Lolololol. If you did any research on me at all, you'd know I'm the goddamn king of bussing. Moreover, AP and mastin are both good enough players to know when to hold and when to fold. And were waaaay beyond the point of folding. I really don't give a fuck if you think I'm a um, but to build such a shit case is, like, I have actually no words.

In post 2832, Natirasha wrote:VOTE: PV because counterwagon or something.

In post 2865, Natirasha wrote:F-16 when you lynch us and we flip town will you remember that mastin is town? Or will you sit there with your mouth firmly attached to the scum's dick still, because the amount of willful suspension you are showing is exactly why I had you down as scum for as long as I did.

Like drawing a three-way connection between us AP and Mastin on day one with no flips is just laughingly bad.

In post 2866, Natirasha wrote:Pedit: holy shit at least when I have an ego, I do it in a way that's fun. You're so conceited its not even funny.

For you, Cabd
Because I like you as a mod
I'm sorry about this game
But reading F16's posts... ... ... Dear God

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!

In post 2880, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:

In post 2871, Just Sheep Us wrote:

In post 2863, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:

In post 2862, Just Sheep Us wrote:

In post 2856, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:He's not talking about the towniness of counterclaiming 90 pages later. He's talking about the towniness of not buying the counterclaim initially.

He asked "What kind of town accepts a CC that comes 90 pages later."

I asked the questions that *should* be the town thought process in thinking through such a decision.

Which would have made it obvious that CF is town.

I think seeing that is easier and therefore happens more quickly from the outside rather than from the inside though.

If anything, it should be easier if you're faking miller because you know that you're not a miller...

Not if you've been locked in a scumread and protracted wall-wars for most of the game, no.

Remember the indie upick? For me, it turned out to be one of the few games where I had a read I should have subsumed to setup spec. but the read was undeniable. and wrong. Even if I'd been right, theory said I should have unvoted.

We're not going to convince each other.

So what you're saying is.

You like to blatantly ignore theory and be objectively wrong about things.

Got it.

RBD has basically devolved into personal attacks at this point.

In post 2866, Natirasha wrote:Pedit: holy shit at least when I have an ego, I do it in a way that's fun. You're so conceited its not even funny.

Thus my snarking at him.

It takes a really special kind of player to shut down my ability to show emotions (be them light-hearted or ragey) and leave me in my natural monotonous sharpish-tongue state.

In post 2868, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:oh god maybe BroDesp are scum.

Oh, it's possible.

Leaning against it, though. At the very least, we should focus elsewhere.

In post 2868, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:oh god maybe BroDesp are scum.

They probably are.

It's not a real game of mafia unless you hit 200 pages on d1. Gogogo.

I'm still on a plane! I'll catch up in a bit..
I'm glad nati isn't giving up yet.

In post 2883, Just Sheep Us wrote:

In post 2880, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:

In post 2871, Just Sheep Us wrote:

In post 2863, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:

In post 2862, Just Sheep Us wrote:

In post 2856, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:He's not talking about the towniness of counterclaiming 90 pages later. He's talking about the towniness of not buying the counterclaim initially.

He asked "What kind of town accepts a CC that comes 90 pages later."

I asked the questions that *should* be the town thought process in thinking through such a decision.

Which would have made it obvious that CF is town.

I think seeing that is easier and therefore happens more quickly from the outside rather than from the inside though.

If anything, it should be easier if you're faking miller because you know that you're not a miller...

Not if you've been locked in a scumread and protracted wall-wars for most of the game, no.

Remember the indie upick? For me, it turned out to be one of the few games where I had a read I should have subsumed to setup spec. but the read was undeniable. and wrong. Even if I'd been right, theory said I should have unvoted.

We're not going to convince each other.

So what you're saying is.

You like to blatantly ignore theory and be objectively wrong about things.

Got it.

Thanks for missing the point.

No, I'm saying sometimes, objectivity isn't in the house when it needs to be. You scumread me for not having objectivity when I needed it in that game.

I feel like IF YOU ARE TOWN AND MAYBE YOU ARE BUT YOU'RE STARTING TO FREAK ME THE FUCK OUT you're scumreading natimuffin for the same goddamn reason.

In post 2884, CarbonFiber wrote:RBD has basically devolved into personal attacks at this point.

No,

It's disgusting that you'd accuse me of such a thing. I would never make personal attacks against another player.

I am a truth-sayer and nothing more.

Your posts are the leading cause of eye cancer.

I have never seen someone be so arrogant about being so wrong. It's hilarious

In post 2884, CarbonFiber wrote:RBD has basically devolved into personal attacks at this point.

F-16, stop.
The way that the gamestate has devolved to this point has essentially has created a game state that is not good for anyone, that is not fun for anyone, that is not the way that any of us enjoy playing mafia. I am skimming and my reads are better than you. In fact, I am skimming hard as fuck in about 20 minute bursts, and I can guarantee my reads are better than yours.

In post 2889, Rancid Broderick Drake wrote:Your posts are the leading cause of eye cancer.

The second leading cause is JSU's post, for reference

In post 2876, Just Sheep Us wrote:You're being hyper-technical while missing the point.

Right. Because I'm the one who's continuously stretching the facts of the game to suit my needs rather than showing things as they were.

In post 2877, Just Sheep Us wrote:I'm pretty sure I say this to you every game at this point.

Well, I suppose saying it with a ~1/5 accuracy is justification enough to keep doing it.

In post 2879, Just Sheep Us wrote:You know what a normal tree stump gets to do?

Declare themselves a treestump at their point of choosing.
Treestumps are typically an active ability, not passive.
(THIS is me getting hyper-technical.)

In post 2734, Rancid Broderick Drake wrote:

mastin wrote:Getting myself lynched first, watching as the town lynches my strongest townread, and secretly hoping the town loses is my thing. Don't go stealing it!

*shrug*

If Nati doesn't want to be lynched, he won't be lynched. I asked him to do something that could probably be considered against the spirit of the game, but since it's not a rule violation (I don't think) it will basically conftown us

In case it wasn't already obvious, I've asked him to paraphrase our entire hydra QT re: this game (200~ish posts so far, almost entirely me) - from the pre-game receiving role reactions to current, in order

After this post, RBD shouldn't be considered as a lynch.
Would you consider anyone else for a lynch after they posted something like this? No. Fuck no. Is your only excuse "oh he's the Don Corelone and he could fake this"? Because that's a horrible excuse and you know it.

Nacho is BroDesp town?

In post 2864, CarbonFiber wrote:

In post 2859, Titan wrote:

In post 2852, CarbonFiber wrote:Not sure what the hesitance is Tammy. You've voted to lynch people with much less certainty before.

Stop it.

Your posting towards me and me trying to figure this out starting last night feels like manipulation, not like you're interested in where I'm coming from or what I'm trying to figure out.

It is not uncommon for me to ask specific people to vote for my scumreads.

I think my problem this game is that I figured things out at a faster pace than others possibly because I spent too much time reading it. In general, if we figure things out together at the same pace, the discussion would be more productive. But here I feel like I already figured it out and am waiting for you to do it which means I am pushing my solidified reads while you are trying to solidify them and that created more of a clash and impatience from my end. I'll to reign it down and I want to get on the same page as you. What are your thoughts so far about the latest developments of the game.

You're not asking me to vote for your scum reads though, and you're not trying to get to the bottom of why I might be hesitant though I'm pretty sure I said why yesterday. You got after me for voting and unvoting last night, though anyone who's ever played with me before should be able to follow that, and then you're saying you don't understand my hesitancy and I've voted being less certain before. Sure, I have but that doesn't really have much bearing on right now.

I am much more okay to vote somewhere I don't feel great about when there is some semblance of town cohesion or direction. There is none here, at all. This game has fractured into factions who are just yelling and fist pumping they're right and right now I can't tell if it's a bunch of town silently being egged on by scum who are benefitting or if it's scum yelling the loudest. This game doesn't make any gorram sense to me right now, and I can't figure out who I'll be helping with m vote.

I don't think you have the game figured out as solidly as you think you do because it doesn't feel like the game makes sense that way.

In post 2893, Kagura wrote:

In post 2734, Rancid Broderick Drake wrote:

mastin wrote:Getting myself lynched first, watching as the town lynches my strongest townread, and secretly hoping the town loses is my thing. Don't go stealing it!

*shrug*

If Nati doesn't want to be lynched, he won't be lynched. I asked him to do something that could probably be considered against the spirit of the game, but since it's not a rule violation (I don't think) it will basically conftown us

In case it wasn't already obvious, I've asked him to paraphrase our entire hydra QT re: this game (200~ish posts so far, almost entirely me) - from the pre-game receiving role reactions to current, in order

After this post, RBD shouldn't be considered as a lynch.

Would you consider anyone else for a lynch after they posted something like this?

No. Fuck no. Is your only excuse "oh he's the Don Corelone and he could fake this"? Because that's a horrible excuse and you know it.

Yes? It's not really that indicative of anything unless it's followed up on, and it's still arguable then?

~Ceph

In post 2896, The Fox and the Hound wrote:

In post 2893, Kagura wrote:

In post 2734, Rancid Broderick Drake wrote:

mastin wrote:Getting myself lynched first, watching as the town lynches my strongest townread, and secretly hoping the town loses is my thing. Don't go stealing it!

*shrug*

If Nati doesn't want to be lynched, he won't be lynched. I asked him to do something that could probably be considered against the spirit of the game, but since it's not a rule violation (I don't think) it will basically conftown us

In case it wasn't already obvious, I've asked him to paraphrase our entire hydra QT re: this game (200~ish posts so far, almost entirely me) - from the pre-game receiving role reactions to current, in order

After this post, RBD shouldn't be considered as a lynch.

Would you consider anyone else for a lynch after they posted something like this?

No. Fuck no. Is your only excuse "oh he's the Don Corelone and he could fake this"? Because that's a horrible excuse and you know it.

Yes? It's not really that indicative of anything unless it's followed up on, and it's still arguable then?

~Ceph

Please be my rock, Cephrir.
Please don't be incredibly blind.

In post 2889, Rancid Broderick Drake wrote:I have never seen someone be so arrogant about being so wrong. It's hilarious

Indeed it is, though I'm sure I could give him a run for his money.

...He'd still win.

In post 2890, Kagura wrote:The way that the gamestate has devolved to this point has essentially has created a game state that is not good for anyone, that is not fun for anyone, that is not the way that any of us enjoy playing mafia.

I wouldn't say that. Muffin and I are both having a lot of fun, laughing at F-16 with a side of pie.

...Not in the way you're supposed to in a mafia game, though.

The problem with the PV analysis in 1816 is that I think scum are much more likely to play according to past town meta (unless they don't like scum/are very transparent), while a town player's play is likely to be evolving such that their townplay change. So, I think that unless PV's play matches his scum meta, there is actually more reason to see a change from his townplay as being town rather than scum. (And I'm leaning town on him based on his posts around the 70-78 period).

In post 1823, MastinSSK wrote:(Which, interestingly enough, is one of my favorite moves to pull on players I fear when I'm scum. Especially AP. But I've also done it on BRO, back when I actually respected his skills, in Theatre.)

Is this assuming BRO is town here?

Update on wagon thoughts at page 76: RBD lynch > PV lynch. Still think Mastin's better (but that's purely a Tod opinion). Obviously I've still got many pages to go though.

~DV