First off, check whether DVa or me is posting. Our reads aren’t identical. Also, what you’re saying is incorrect. I think Thor isn’t mistaken about some of your posts this game, being kind of hedgey - definitely when compared with Overkill 1. Anyway, I’m null on you rn.In post 2776, BuJaber wrote:@Nancy - it is amazing that throughout the whole game and everytime I mentioned you favorably or mentioned other people you townread me. When I start to say that IF IF my analysis of your character is wrong, then I would be scumreading you you switch yiur read on me.
As for Thor I think my reads must be pretty good and he is intentionally being thick so I flip out and replace out in frustration (as I've done in the past when people misunderstand my arguments repeatedly) and then because nobody listens to dead/replaced slots usually, my reads will be forgotten and/or my slot would be lynched for a the rep out, because nobody remembers the game I repped out as frustrated town, only the one where I repped out as misunderstood scum.
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This is obvtown Cheeky here. Doubling down on my already strong townread on her.In post 2852, CheekyTeeky wrote:
Up to this point in her ISOIn post 726, Chickadee wrote:I skipped the last 10 pages.
From skimming though, I'm thinking Creature is scum. I vaguely remember Tails (I think) saying Creature was in town range. Please clarify.
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Flavorleaf maybe.
Soft defense of Gamma?In post 786, Chickadee wrote:Overkill 1 was multi ball, I really don't think there's any reason to think this game wouldn't be. I think all of the language thus far would conclude so.
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Multiball = multiple non town factions
Singleball = one non town faction
Wisdom no.
Fortian no.
RR maybe?
RCE no.In post 1311, Chickadee wrote:CREATURE PLS STOP
So join me in voting him?In post 1298, profii wrote:I feel like Creature still hasnt done anything
Profii unlikely.
Varsoon unlikely.
Nero unlikely?In post 1794, Clemency wrote:oh nero, i've played with you once
my first game ever
you hated my guts throughout the whole thing
I feel like this is a really weird thing to say to RR and even weirder that there was no response. Maybe? Maybe not? You all should just vote Gamma tbh there's nothing much here.
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No, can you link or post it? That would really help a lot.In post 2873, Tails wrote:- Tails
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In post 1191, Majiffy wrote:Chickadee is probably flipping scum or 3P here but BuJ remains the ideal lynch today.- CheekyTeeky
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This seems like an opportunistic vote. Overly explained.In post 1231, Gamma Emerald wrote:I call BS. There’s a multitude of reasons why a post-game explanation is bad
VOTE: Majiffy
If you’re making that type of statement you’d probably have already done analysis to support it. Since you haven’t that means it’s a crock of shit.
OMGUS, waffle about meta that makes no sense.In post 2397, Gamma Emerald wrote:In post 2326, Creature wrote:Gamma, why are you town?In post 2327, Creature wrote:I remember like exactly zero things about you this game
I’ve been in from the startIn post 2328, Creature wrote:Did you just replace in?
Why no response to my joke claim? Did hat SERIOUSLY not stand out to you?
This is practically a scumclaim from Creature given both his individual meta and the combined meta of him, Flavor, and myself.
VOTE: Creature
This is 100% a scumclaim post.In post 2647, Gamma Emerald wrote:
EWWWWWWWIn post 2611, hebichan wrote:Go ahead and get modkilled then.
You claimed your only positive utility was your one shot full doctor. You are basically just a worse vt now.
VOTE: toog
why are you trying to get someone to lose the game?
I'm not feeling a gamma/nero scumteam though based on their interactions. So Gamma has some pretty bad posts, a vote history that could go either way (although he's OMGUS'D twice now.) He's had bouts of tmi and I could see him as SvS with Chick...
Which leads me to another read.
RCE has been up and down for me but I just remembered his weird townread of me after my second post:
In post 70, Chickadee wrote:This was my exact thought upon reading my role pm, and not getting Rocky.
But I don't like this question.In post 72, CheekyTeeky wrote:
Hedging much?In post 70, Chickadee wrote:This was my exact thought upon reading my role pm, and not getting Rocky.
But I don't like this question.
In retrospect I think RCE TMI'd on Chick's alignment so he probably saw me as town when it was too early to tell. I could see a gamma/RCE/Chick SvS possibility.In post 73, RCEnigma wrote:Ooo cheeky is town already. Verrrrrrrry interesting.- CheekyTeeky
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Do you disagree with what Gamma said here?In post 2879, CheekyTeeky wrote:
This seems like an opportunistic vote. Overly explained.In post 1231, Gamma Emerald wrote:I call BS. There’s a multitude of reasons why a post-game explanation is bad
VOTE: Majiffy
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Tbf to Gamma, overly explaining anything is totally NAI for him. No one should ever scumread him for that, because that would be a mistake. And I definitely agree with what he said here. The only explanations, you should leave to post-game, is either anything that can hurt the integrity of a game or your wincon. A PR role, for example but not ever anything germane to the actual gamestate.In post 2881, Tails wrote:
Do you disagree with what Gamma said here?In post 2879, CheekyTeeky wrote:
This seems like an opportunistic vote. Overly explained.In post 1231, Gamma Emerald wrote:I call BS. There’s a multitude of reasons why a post-game explanation is bad
VOTE: Majiffy
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In post 2878, Tails wrote:In post 1191, Majiffy wrote:Chickadee is probably flipping scum or 3P here butBuJ remains the ideal lynch today.
However, Clem said that when he knew he was being lynched. But why wouldn’t scum!Nero hop on the Clem wagon, for towncred? Scum generally don’t like to be on town wagons but they usually don’t mind bussing - especially when the lynch is inevitable. However, since - if the sample role PM is any indication - multiball may possibly affect this.In post 2276, Clemency wrote:i'll have to re-read to back up my claims but:
creature is town 100% money back guarantee
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i still don't see why bujaber is being considered a lynch this game
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It's not the logic I disagree with, I disagree with the timing i.e. majiffy was under pressure from at least two players with the leading wagon, the reasoning seems uncharacteristically insightful for gamma too.In post 2881, Tails wrote:
Do you disagree with what Gamma said here?In post 2879, CheekyTeeky wrote:
This seems like an opportunistic vote. Overly explained.In post 1231, Gamma Emerald wrote:I call BS. There’s a multitude of reasons why a post-game explanation is bad
VOTE: Majiffy
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I disagree.In post 2882, DrewVa wrote:Tbf to Gamma, overly explaining anything is totally NAI for him. No one should ever scumread him for that, because that would be a mistake.- DrewVa
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In post 2647, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2611, hebichan wrote:
Go ahead and get modkilled then.
You claimed your only positive utility was your one shot full doctor. You are basically just a worse vt now.
VOTE: toog
EWWWWWWW
why are you trying to get someone to lose the game?
Why Cheeky?This is 100% a scumclaim post.- DrewVa
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I’ve seen him do that numerous times as town, so I don’t see how that’s necessarily AI?In post 2887, CheekyTeeky wrote:
I disagree.In post 2882, DrewVa wrote:Tbf to Gamma, overly explaining anything is totally NAI for him. No one should ever scumread him for that, because that would be a mistake.- Tails
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Gamma's response came after Majiffy said he'd explain in post game. RR was the only one pushing him on that point, and only very lightly. Given the timing, I don't see Gamma's jump as opportunistic at all. Gamma's hop actually contributed to the pressure the Majiffy slot was under until Nero replaced in. Until that point, there were only 3 votes on him, and Bujab was the most recent and for different reasons.
So what makes Gamma's vote opportunistic and not Varsoon's, who voted immediately after Gamma for the same reasons?- CheekyTeeky
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Anyway I have a big day tomorrow so I'll be away for a bit. Hopefully more people vote gamma before I get back.
Pedit it's disgustingly hedgy, and overeactive again at a time when a player is under scrutiny. Ime scum push obv surface level scummy posts by shading exactly like this. I am very sure Gamma is scum as someone who has played with him multiple times as both alignments even as SvS.- CheekyTeeky
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I don't care about varsoon, I was ISOing Gamma.In post 2890, Tails wrote:So what makes Gamma's vote opportunistic and not Varsoon's, who voted immediately after Gamma for the same reasons?- CheekyTeeky
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I can't explain it. I'm just sure I'm right.In post 2889, DrewVa wrote:
I’ve seen him do that numerous times as town, so I don’t see how that’s necessarily AI?In post 2887, CheekyTeeky wrote:
I disagree.In post 2882, DrewVa wrote:Tbf to Gamma, overly explaining anything is totally NAI for him. No one should ever scumread him for that, because that would be a mistake.- CheekyTeeky
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Context is important.In post 2892, CheekyTeeky wrote:
I don't care about varsoon, I was ISOing Gamma.In post 2890, Tails wrote:So what makes Gamma's vote opportunistic and not Varsoon's, who voted immediately after Gamma for the same reasons?- Varsoon
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They could be scum together. Outside of RR, they're my two picks for scum, though I could easily see RCE as scum openwolfing to Bujab, who's on Clem's team.
You're both scum. Doesn't mean you're partners.
Nero's town.
Gamma's (probably) town.
I don't understand how you come to these conclusions of yours.
In post 2873, Tails wrote:In post 1232, Varsoon wrote:Ew. The one time I can recall someone being like "I got this scumread but I'll explain it later" was GiF in a game where I pegged him as scum for it, he replaced out, then I was promptly killed and his team went on to win.
So excuse me if I'm going to be a bit critical of this kinda shit:
VOTE: Majiffy
Oh, I know.In post 1233, Varsoon wrote:It was this game, found it:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=72943
In post 639, Varsoon wrote:GuyInFreezer wrote:I have a piece to say to this shenanigans but for now I will wait.
Turns out he was scum and the person who replaced him went on to end-gameVarsoon wrote:
I'd like to see more people post. If I'm going to slam a vote, it's:
VOTE: GuyInFreezer
They're too reserved right now. I know GiF is present given posts in the thread, but their stance regarding anything is inscrutable.
The whole "but for now I will wait" does not sit well with me. Why not just wait? Why post that?
So if you think my skepticism is ill-founded, I've literally lost as town to scum playing this exact way before, Irrel.
Though to be fair, Irrel wasn't scum in the game I'm quoting here, so maybe being furtive about reasons for a scumread on D1 is just garbage play and not scum play but there's literally no way for me to parse one from the other given that it's low content play.
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I read the flip as multiball (major crime forces) and serial killer(s) (Professional killers)the flip wrote:You still are a member of a group of kids forming a street gang, but are generally considered to be the Underdogs of this crime-infested "warzone" town. You do everything together, which should make things easier but at the same time you have to face some serious new problems going against major crime forces, professional killers, and law enforcement officers alike.
So there is every chance that one of the players encouraging Toogeloo to hara-kiri is just a serial killer - they can appear like they are scum hunting, because that is a threat to their win con and makes them look townie, whilst at the same time just simply trying to remove people out the game.
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What makes RR stand out, is because he seemed to townread Toogeloo and was pushing him to get himself modkilled, where as Hebi and DGB were scumreading him att.In post 2898, profii wrote:
I read the flip as multiball (major crime forces) and serial killer(s) (Professional killers)the flip wrote:You still are a member of a group of kids forming a street gang, but are generally considered to be the Underdogs of this crime-infested "warzone" town. You do everything together, which should make things easier but at the same time you have to face some serious new problems going against major crime forces, professional killers, and law enforcement officers alike.
So there is every chance that one of the players encouraging Toogeloo to hara-kiri is just a serial killer - they can appear like they are scum hunting, because that is a threat to their win con and makes them look townie, whilst at the same time just simply trying to remove people out the game.
I've definitely spotted serial killers because they just wantanyoneto die, rather than therightperson... I need to look again but that might be happening here.
In post 2614, Reasonably Rational wrote:In post 2609, Toogeloo wrote:
You might have just gotten a town read out of me Nero! Considering how little effort I've put into the game, using meta to define my playstyle couldn't have possibly been there to win my affections, and it might actually be genuine concern for my well being .In post 2589, Nero Cain wrote:Having played with Toog b4 I think this lurky do nothing attitude more resembles his town play than his scum play. Of course, there is the possibility that could ACT like this as scum so *shrug* .
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Masonry, or did you *hint-hint-wink-wink* them last night .In post 2601, RCEnigma wrote:Davesaz is town if you think I'm town.
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I'm not about to abate your paranoia. You do what you think is best.In post 2604, Creature wrote:Okay, I'm actually having doubts about the Global Doctor part
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No... no it's not. I will beIn post 2607, hebichan wrote:2. Is testable if toog votes right now.MODKILLEDif I vote and it's not the hammer. Nice try though.
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No promises, but I'll 'try' to be a bit more helpful, but here's hoping that last night's death reprieve was more beneficial in regards to results people were hoping for (other than callous murderers).So the real question is if you're town, and guaranteed to be the mislynch for today, why would you not make that vote so as to save your faction from spending a lynch on your slot?
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