Death Note: I’ll Be The One Writing Your Name

Adorable · Post Post #2875 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:46 am

Bambi was an invest and her invest result is different from Creature. She invested Almost and her result on him was, "Almost is a member of Kira" which is learning a players alignment and Creatures invest result is different and his invest lets him check if a player has a Death Note and that is not learning a players alignment. Creature didn't really elaborate on how his invest works if a player having a Death Note is good or bad. Scum invest can cause alot of confusion and they can easily fake a guilty on a townie in lylo. In the beginning of the day Creature said Vorkuta didn't have a Death Note and then later during the day he says Wooper doesn't have a Death Note. I'm having a hard time believing there is a second town invest. We could always go for the no lynch option and Creature could invest a player he hasn't invested to prevent a lylo happening next day if Creature really is town.

Chemist1422 · Post Post #2876 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:54 am

iirc Bambi was given an invest by RCE

Evenstar · Post Post #2877 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:20 am

Timeline:
D1: Mizzy shoots Mordhaus and Mordhaus dies. Wooper has the Death Note. 1 scum is dead.
N1: Nobody dies. Wooper passes the Death Note to Chara.
D2: LUV is executed, and flips town. RCE gives Bambi Jay a cop.
N2: Mizzy dies in the night. Chara passes the Death Note to RCE. Bambi Jay cops A50 in the night.
D3: A50 lynched, and turned into a treestump. 2 scum are dead.
N3: Vecna dies in the night.
D4: BrightEyedFish is executed, and flips town.
N4: Vorkuta and Bambi Jay both die in the night.

Okay, so.
1: Scum can delay their kills by

one night.

2: Both A50 and Mordhaus were dead by N3.
3: In order for Creature's claimed role to be meaningful, A50 can't submit kills while treestumped.
4: Creature claims that Wooper did not use a death note on any of N1, N2, N3, or N4.
5: There are very probably only three scum.

Conclusion: If there are only three scum, Wooper cannot be the third.

Case A:

Creature is scum. In this case, Creature is the third scum, game is over.

Case B:

Creature is town. In this case, both Wooper's hypothetical scumpartners are dead before N3, and therefore neither of them could have made those kills even with a 1-night delay.

Let's look at RCE now. If creature is town, are they clear?
Well, in that case the Bambi kill was made N4 by RCE,

after

Creature's investigation. So that's not a problem.
RCE's partners could have killed Mizzy and Vecna.
But in Vecna's case, it's a little weird, because that implies that Vecna was delaykilled on N2. Why would that happen?
... well, it turns out that Vecna was heavily scumreading RCE. For like, two days running. And he

also

was scumreading A50 and Mordhaus.
So it's quite possible that A50 delaykilled him on N2, and the "MY BOOK" from him was just a fortunate accident. (Or that he expressed his plans for his doublevote in the hood, and therefore scum were ready for it.)

RCE is still a suspect.

Possible 1-scum worlds:

Creature
RCE
Chara
Adorable

Chemist1422 · Post Post #2878 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:57 am

Hey Chara when you get online can you tell me what just happened in the neighborhood really did happen

RCEnigma · Post Post #2879 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:00 pm

Didn't we establish kills resolve before invests? So the only argument that can be made for me being scum is that I delay killed the night creature checked me.

But A50 trying to implicate me in the hood tells me this game is pretty much tied up.

RCEnigma · Post Post #2880 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:02 pm

In post 2877, Evenstar wrote:N2: Mizzy dies in the night. Chara passes the Death Note to RCE. Bambi Jay cops A50 in the night.

This a typo? I never received a deathnote.

Evenstar · Post Post #2881 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:58 pm

In post 2879, RCEnigma wrote:Didn't we establish kills resolve before invests? So the only argument that can be made for me being scum is that I delay killed the night creature checked me.

But A50 trying to implicate me in the hood tells me this game is pretty much tied up.

Creature checked you N3, yes?
A50 delaykills N1 & N2, no kill N3, you kill N4. You still have not killed at the end of N3.

RCEnigma · Post Post #2882 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:03 pm

You believe there are two deathnotes then yeah?

Creature · Post Post #2883 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:37 pm

In post 2875, Adorable wrote:We could always go for the no lynch option and Creature could invest a player

I only had two shots and I used them on RCE and Wooper

Creature · Post Post #2884 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:38 pm

In post 2877, Evenstar wrote:Well, in that case the Bambi kill was made N4 by RCE, after Creature's investigation.

Seems like a hell of a stretch

Almost50 · Post Post #2885 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:47 pm

I was obviously joking in that hood. I knew Chara would be reading, so I was messing around with them.

RCEnigma · Post Post #2886 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:54 pm

A50 you're worrying poor chemist.

Chemist1422 · Post Post #2887 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:58 pm

*paranoia noises*

Evenstar · Post Post #2888 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:06 pm

In post 2880, RCEnigma wrote:
In post 2877, Evenstar wrote:N2: Mizzy dies in the night. Chara passes the Death Note to RCE. Bambi Jay cops A50 in the night.
This a typo? I never received a deathnote.

Whup, that was

Chemist.

Thanks for the catch.

That makes me go HMMMMMMMM, because look at this assuming Creature Town:
D1: Death note is in Wooper's hands. No kill.
D2: Death note is in Chara's hands. Mizzy killed.
D3: Death note is in Chemist's hands. Vecna killed.
D4: Death note is in Chara's hands. Vorkuta and Bambi Jay killed.

If creature town and 3 scum, then:

D1: Death note is in the hands of confirmed town. There is no kill.
D2: Death note is in Chara's hands. 1 Kill.
D3: Death note is in the hands of confirmed town. 1 Kill.
D4: Death note is in Chara's hands. 2 Kills.

Option 1: Town cannot use the Death Note, and everyone who's held it is Town. Scum have their own Death Note. Scum

must

have submitted the following:
N1: Delaykill Mizzy
N2: Delaykill Vecna
N3: Delaykill Bambi Jay or Vorkuta
N4: Kill whichever of Bambi Jay and Vorkuta they didn't delaykill N3.

The first 3 kills here make sense, but then the Vorkuta kill... doesn't. 1 Scum + 2 Survivors + 1 Hated Townie (Chemist) = Game Win For Scum. I'm gonna assume for the moment that the scum did not just throw that away. So that means this

must

be:
N1: Delaykill Mizzy
N2: Delaykill Vecna
N3: Delaykill Vorkuta
N4: Kill Bambi Jay

Which makes

negative

amounts of sense. What sane scumteam delaykills a 3rd party over killing a confirmed town?

Option 2: Sucm have a death note. Town can also use the deathnote, but nobody bothered to until N4 for

some

damn reason. Yeah no this isn't the case.
Option 3: Only scum can use the deathnote, and they can kill twice each night they have it. Chara is scum.

D1: Death note is in the hands of confirmed town. There is no kill.
D2: Death note is in Chara's hands. Kill, Delaykill.
D3: Death note is in the hands of confirmed town.
D4: Death note is in Chara's hands. 2 Kills.

big :thonk:

Evenstar · Post Post #2889 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:10 pm

In post 2882, RCEnigma wrote:You believe there are two deathnotes then yeah?

If there aren't two deathnotes then Chara always scum

Evenstar · Post Post #2890 (ISO) » Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:16 pm

In post 2884, Creature wrote:
In post 2877, Evenstar wrote:Well, in that case the Bambi kill was made N4 by RCE, after Creature's investigation.
Seems like a hell of a stretch

yeah, but all the options are fucky as hell rn

like, Chara is scum and can only kill when they have the deathnote but they can kill twice when they have it???

two deathnotes and a complete WTF of a kill on Vorkuta by the scumteam???

game's just failing to add up at this point if you're town. Help me solve.

Chara · Post Post #2891 (ISO) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:06 am

In post 2885, Almost50 wrote:I was obviously joking in that hood. I knew Chara would be reading, so I was messing around with them.

i appreciated it!

Chara · Post Post #2892 (ISO) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:31 am

the biggest thing i got from Even's posting is that Wooper can't be scum if there's only one left thanks to Creature's result. which for me at least is very significant. i know there's edge cases where Wooper is some sort of godfather but i kind of don't care about that at this point.

i will say that the Vorkuta kill is pretty wtf for whoever made it, so i'm just going to dismiss it. there just isn't a reason for anyone to make the kill that i can think of. the only suspect with any sort of motive i had was Even and i'm convinced by now that she only just got the DN when she claimed.

i'm not sure of another way to prove the last scum isn't me. i think very compelling evidence is the fact that Even now knows how to murder me thanks to Chemist flipping. and Chemist flipped because i asked him to. it would be almost (not actually one, i would rule, but a pretty stupid idea) a gamethrow to willingly do that as the last scum (Almost was already a treestump at the time, which doesn't count for parity regardless of any wincons).

also, i probably don't need to explain that if i were scum, it would mean i killed Bambi. which... ended in Even having a death note. what kind of plan is that?

i'm pretty much settled on Creature at this point. not voting because consistently sleeping for an hour a night means i keep missing obvious things in my head. so i'm going to take more time on it.

RCEnigma · Post Post #2893 (ISO) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 10:20 am

Well yeah that's the point, we can't assume Chara killed with the deathnote and it wasn't just delaykills that coincide with Chara holding the deathnote. Vork kill doesn't make sense from scum when they would need BOTH 3p for numbers.

I'm inclined to believe Vork dying isn't deathnote related, just Kira related. Or the deathnote was destroyed somehow.

Wooper · Post Post #2894 (ISO) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 3:24 pm

flip takada

everyone unvote please

UNVOTE:

Wooper · Post Post #2895 (ISO) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 3:25 pm

also please prepare for a very big laugh

RCEnigma · Post Post #2896 (ISO) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 3:26 pm

UNVOTE: lay it on us.

Wooper · Post Post #2897 (ISO) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 3:27 pm

I need Morality to do it for me

Morality · Post Post #2898 (ISO) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:17 pm

In post 2894, Wooper wrote:
flip takada

everyone unvote please

UNVOTE:

Flipped: Takada

Morality · Post Post #2899 (ISO) » Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:18 pm

SakuraTV brings you some intercepted messages that may or may not relate to the Kira investigation.

Hello Monkey. I have some spicy news for you but sadly I didn't realise we were scum together until your stumping.

I'll keep it short sharp and shiny. I'm a traitor. Unless Creature is the last scum, I'm likely gonna be guiltied tonight. IF CREATURE IS THE LAST SCUM HE NEEDS TO CLAIM AN ACCURATE GUILTY ON ME.

I'm really not sure what the path to victory is from here unless like, one of the masons is on the Kira team or you guys really have lined up a fucking bunch of kills with your own death note. Doesn't really matter. If we can mid lynch tomorrow we win. If our last groupscum is lynched we lose. That's what I'm focused on.

If you can communicate back to me itt I'd appreciate it. If you're comfortable we're gonna win make a comment about apples. If you need a hand, make a comment about bananas. And remember if Creature is the last scum I should come up as GUILTY to a cop and bussing me is the best way to keep the groupkira team alive.

When I flip you'll be notified I exist during the next night phase. I'll do that tomorrow if it's necessary but I think I left it too long..I kinda snookered myself claiming a targeting tpr..this is my one (1) shot. I'm just hoping everyone forgot about that but it's nagl when I flip nothing happened and I claim some crappy role. I don't think I have a clutch endgame claim here like I did in Earthbound.

Good luck out there monkey.

Always yours,
Kiyomi Takada x