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I think players should significantly relax on the Gentleman 5 push right now. At least until I've caught up. No one is made nervous by the fact that Gentleman 8 went out of order to choose Lady 5?

In post 2406, Gentleman 6 wrote:Like you guys are saying G5s been discussed to death but afaik no one besides me scumreads him still. Everyone is sitting here talking about how L8 is scum and L7 is calling that more productive discussion. It's not really a question if what's protown it's whether you guys agree with what's being discussed, and since no one agrees that G5 is scum trying to call him scum is getting pooh-poohed whereas the L8 is scum circlejerk which is for really questionable reasons even if she is scum is a universal read (who are her buddies exactly? Why aren't they trying to buoy up her slot if she's paired with obvtown) and no one stops to ask themselves what that says about what scum are doing in the game. Whereas if I'm right and G5 is scum it makes complete sense scum are trying to support the L8 scum narrative and shut down discussion of G5 since it can be reasonably assumed that after I'm dead no one scumreads G5 and he has a clean walk to endgame. Doesn't help no one engaged with my actual case on G5 and everyone engaged with reductive strawmen of my actual case.

What I'm saying is that I feel like you guys are thinking very one dimensionally about things and not really trying to understand how I feel or why I feel that way.

Stop. I absolutely refuse to try to lynch Gentleman 5 (or any other player for that matter) regardless of my read on him if not given the opportunity to understand the rest of the game. You throwing a tantrum because people aren't willing to immediately lynch him (and rip town apart in the process) is only making things worse. Even if we lynch Gentleman 5 today and he flips scum, if we do it in the way you want to do it, we majorly screw ourselves over because the only thing we've discussed since you've been overcome by this obsession is Gentleman 5. It's so counter-productive to town and this is the reason why lynching scum day 1 regularly ends in town loss. Relax. I haven't said what I'm reading Gentleman 5 and neither have a lot of other players and probably for pretty darn good reason.

In post 2875, Gentleman 4 wrote:I think players should significantly relax on the Gentleman 5 push right now. At least until I've caught up. No one is made nervous by the fact that Gentleman 8 went out of order to choose Lady 5?

Oh believe me I am definitely perturbed by the G8 situation as a whole.

In post 2875, Gentleman 4 wrote:No one is made nervous by the fact that Gentleman 8 went out of order to choose Lady 5?

What do you make of the fact that he jumped to pick someone he could have waited to pick? Was l5 in danger of being picked by g1 or 3, i forget who was supposed to go first?

In post 2878, Gentleman 2 wrote:

In post 2875, Gentleman 4 wrote:No one is made nervous by the fact that Gentleman 8 went out of order to choose Lady 5?

What do you make of the fact that he jumped to pick someone he could have waited to pick? Was l5 in danger of being picked by g1 or 3, i forget who was supposed to go first?

I think it more has to do with the fact that if he's scum, he doesn't necessarily want a S-S pair.

In post 2486, Lady 5 wrote:^ Reason why I dislike G4 saying I should go simply because I haven’t read “all” of the game.

It’s like he thinks everyone is reading the entire thing.
Sure some people might be but not everyone I don’t think.

I think every player has at least skimmed every page and is for the most part up to date on major events in the game, which I'm reminded time and time again that you are not.

In post 2512, Lady 1 wrote:It’s interesting because if I was scum G8 and I had L2 partner scum, I pick me.
If I was scum G8 and only townies left, I never pick L5. I pick either L1 or L2.

Why would he pick L5? Maybe to keep L5 alive so she further ruins the little semblance of cohesion this town has? Possibly.
Maybe it is because this guarantees a strong townie dies. It’s probably a little of both.

A strong townie dies AND L5 continues to muck things up. That makes sense.
Plus maybe he saw that I would instaleave if he paired with me.

My process almost exactly. It's why he had to jump the order to pick Lady 5. That said, I've really enjoyed Lady 2's contributions thus far, and I won't accuse her further unless we have solid evidence via a Gentleman 8 scum flip.

In post 2664, Lady 5 wrote:

In post 2660, Lady 3 wrote:

In post 2192, Lady 5 wrote:I also think L1 or L6 should be removed.
As I feel it’s a TVS.

Mhm I “felt”.
I’m not entirely sure.
Then if you would have bothered to look into my later posts instead of trying to find posts to shade me with you’d realize that I also said that L1 and L6 is never SvS.
As that was the conclusion I ended up with.

Right. Not SvS, but TvS. Lady 1 flipped town, shouldn't that make Lady 6 scum?

Ladies 2, 7, and 5 would you list the pairs in the game in order of most optimal to least optimal lynch, please?

@Lady 2, I do want to say that while I think Gentleman 8's scum flip would somewhat implicate you, I'm individually town reading you and I'd really prefer if that comment didn't prevent you from discussing things with me.

Gentleman 1, if and when you get here, I'd like to discuss the game with you.

In post 2884, Gentleman 4 wrote:Ladies 2, 7, and 5 would you list the pairs in the game in order of most optimal to least optimal lynch, please?

@Lady 2, I do want to say that while I think Gentleman 8's scum flip would somewhat implicate you, I'm individually town reading you and I'd really prefer if that comment didn't prevent you from discussing things with me.

Optimal lynches:

G5/L4 barely ahead of G8/L5. I think both of these are high utility. G5/L4 bumped up in priority due to G6 kind of holding the game hostage to his scumread of G5, which I do mostly see and also I don't want G6 to suicide. I do think that there's a very reasonable chance one of G8/L5 are scum, almost certainly not both, probably G8 a bit more likely. I know and understand your evaluation of G8-scum's potential motivation to step in and ask L5 over me (or L1 but she has flipped) but if he is scum, that's not it because I'm Town. At this point I don't think there's much else for me to say on the subject. It's definitely a loss to the Town rn that L5 is alive and L1 is not.

Least optimal lynch is still quite clearly G2/L9 for obvious reasons.

Every other pair has one potentially high-equity Townread of mine paired with at worst a null/not sure/needs to post more partner, here they are bolding my Townreads:

+L3
+L8
G7+
+L6

I'd include my own pairing in that heading as well - I'm Town and I'd like to think I can provide good equity going forward, while I don't have a strong read on G1. G1 claims in PT to be somewhat behind reading and concerned about continued high-volume posting making it hard to stay caught up once he does. Of these pairings I don't have a strong preference for keeping or lynching any of them for the moment. I'm hoping that it's a situation where partners will help sort partners.

My follow-up question is rather difficult to phrase, but I'll do my best:
How comfortable do you feel with the game state right now with respect to a Gentleman 5 Lady 4 lynch?

If G8 is scum and all of his options were town, his selection of L5 is still correct. All him picking L5 proves if he's scum is that his buddies wanted them to pick her so she could continue to do L5 things.

In post 2841, Lady 6 wrote:VOTE: Gentleman 8

I am not encouraging this pissing match unless I got no choice.

Do you scum read me? If so why?

As for Gent 8, I think he’s just not putting any real effort into this game.

In post 2854, Gentleman 1 wrote:I would really like it if no one left at this point, we have plenty of time currently, so we should maybe try using the vote first.
Also, going to be a bit before I do it, but I should be working at getting current again today. Problem is it seems like the volume of content I need to get through has only gotten worse.

Gent1 and Lady 2 pair could have mafia in it.
However for a SvS. That would just be weird but I guess possible.
But wouldn’t it make more sense for Gent 1 to pick Lady 1 and gain Town Credit If Him and Lady 2 were SvS?
I don’t know, just PoEing here.

In post 2859, Lady 6 wrote:Look, let's get rid of the obvious scum in G8. Sorry for L5 but G8 is kinda obvious scum. I think overall people will be happy with it and G5 and G6 can work together.

Have you read G8’s ISO.
It’s legit RP and not caring about this game LOL.
It’s null and shit town. If he is Mafia he truly doesn’t care about this game or being lynched.

In post 2869, Lady 4 wrote:If there are deep wolves in this game, my picks are G3 and G4.

G1/L2 or G7/L7.

In post 2871, Gentleman 5 wrote:Anyways Im thinking the scum are all in L8/L3/L5/G3/G1/G8 in no order.

^From our PT.

I have nothing else to say. I leave it to my lady to do the deed if she feels necessary.

Good day

Well I assume you the most scum in that your going to get us 2. As I know I’m Town. G3 is Def town and G8 is probably just bad town that everyone wants to get rid of and scum reading for lack of content.

In post 2892, Lady 5 wrote:

In post 2869, Lady 4 wrote:If there are deep wolves in this game, my picks are G3 and G4.

G1/L2 or G7/L7.

In post 2893, Lady 4 wrote:

No U

In post 2875, Gentleman 4 wrote:I think players should significantly relax on the Gentleman 5 push right now. At least until I've caught up. No one is made nervous by the fact that Gentleman 8 went out of order to choose Lady 5?

Well if you’d read my posts and not considered them shit, I mentioned this serval times that Gent 8 could have been Lady 2’s scum partner or just non caring Town.

In post 2888, Lady 4 wrote:If G8 is scum and all of his options were town, his selection of L5 is still correct. All him picking L5 proves if he's scum is that his buddies wanted them to pick her so she could continue to do L5 things.

WRONG!
If he was scum his correct choice is Lady 2. They are a strong town and should take down a strong town with them.

In post 2879, Gentleman 4 wrote:

In post 2878, Gentleman 2 wrote:

In post 2875, Gentleman 4 wrote:No one is made nervous by the fact that Gentleman 8 went out of order to choose Lady 5?

What do you make of the fact that he jumped to pick someone he could have waited to pick? Was l5 in danger of being picked by g1 or 3, i forget who was supposed to go first?

I think it more has to do with the fact that if he's scum, he doesn't necessarily want a S-S pair.

Which I’ve pointed out BUT NO ONE SEEMS TO LISTEN TO ME!

In post 2880, Gentleman 4 wrote:

In post 2486, Lady 5 wrote:^ Reason why I dislike G4 saying I should go simply because I haven’t read “all” of the game.

It’s like he thinks everyone is reading the entire thing.
Sure some people might be but not everyone I don’t think.

I think every player has at least skimmed every page and is for the most part up to date on major events in the game, which I'm reminded time and time again that you are not.

I am.
What do you feel I missed?