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Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 4:34 am
by Dwlee99
Yep I've been so consensus I pushed deep wolf theory all Day one, BZZZT try again

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 4:34 am
by Andante
In post 2872, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 2864, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 2862, Andante wrote:yeah umm VP having 2 bombs worries me tbh, and going "frog had value!!! must read into it!!" is not something I really want to deal with... frog just trolled around in the PT why are you implying all 3 of me greeting andres lied about what went on??
Uh...this is not what I said at all.
You going to reply to this andante?

I also find your reads incredibly stagnant. You were on me D1, then you found a reason to get off me with frogster, now you're back on me. I think your strange vote lacks inspiration (and conviction since you voted with her like two seconds later).

I really don't know who you actually think is scum and why you think that.
nah

how are my reads stagnant? lmao I had like 10 posts on my strange read in the PT

idk either

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 4:41 am
by Greeting
Time to sum up the major events so we know where we're at.

Day 1 - we voted
fireisredsir
out, he was town.
Night 1 - there was no apparent nightkill, one bomb explosion and one bomb defusal.
Day 2 - we voted
Frogsterking
out, he was town.
Night 2 - there was no apparent nightkill, the was one bomb defusal.
In post 2, Datisi wrote:GB Inc. infiltrators do not have a factional nightkill every night. they start off with one nightkill. for every two successful bomb defusals performed by a DATS Inc. employee, they gain one nightkill. for every successful bomb defusal performed by a GB Inc. infiltrator, they gain one nightkill.
So they have one nightkill on start.

catboi
's bomb exploded and he was town.

VP Baltar
defused both bombs.

If
VP Baltar
is town, the mafia have two nightkills, including the one they got on start. They had only one nightkill on Night 2, however.
If
VP Baltar
is scum, the mafia have three nightkills, including the one they got on start. They had two nightkills on Night 2, however.

Yet the mafia seem not to be keen on using their nightkills in this game at all. Which obviously benefits town.

This, in my opinion, shows that it's very likely for
VP Baltar
to be town.

HEAL: VP Baltar

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 4:43 am
by Dwlee99
Scum can NK 3 people and get 3 explodes on town and 3 town mislims and thy would be barely winning. I don't think scum has to be using their night kills at all yet.

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 4:44 am
by VP Baltar
In post 2873, StrangeMatter wrote:About the Dwlee TMI, it was mostly a gut feeling from reading their posts that feels very TMI-like but I can't really point to exactly why knowing the flips. Though I guess its also feeling of something similar to Dwlee!scum just constantly going with the consensus slots (Similar to where he sits there and allows people to just consensus onto wrong slots).
I would like you to cite actual posts please.

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 4:45 am
by VP Baltar
In post 2876, Andante wrote:how are my reads stagnant?
They're boring and unchanging based upon new information. If you would like me to cite a dictionary for you, I will.

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 4:47 am
by Dwlee99
In post 2879, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 2873, StrangeMatter wrote:About the Dwlee TMI, it was mostly a gut feeling from reading their posts that feels very TMI-like but I can't really point to exactly why knowing the flips. Though I guess its also feeling of something similar to Dwlee!scum just constantly going with the consensus slots (Similar to where he sits there and allows people to just consensus onto wrong slots).
I would like you to cite actual posts please.
Before frogster flipped I would have thought this push on me was very scummy but if frogster can make arguments based on nothing and be town then I guess strange can too

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 4:49 am
by Enchant
If mafia can waste all NKs on one night, they can simple wait off and then make "BIG BURST" killing everyone fast to majority.

Right now, they simple will remove pool of suspects by that.

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 4:54 am
by Dwlee99
They can only use one night kill a night

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 4:58 am
by Greeting
@
Datisi
How many nightkills can the mafia perform per night?

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 5:06 am
by Dwlee99
In post 2884, Greeting wrote:@
Datisi
How many nightkills can the mafia perform per night?
In post 2883, Dwlee99 wrote:They can only use one night kill a night

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 5:07 am
by Cephrir
I don't think sliming baltar makes much sense either way. If we decide he has to die, we're sure to get the chance to blow him up, so why waste an elim on it?

I am leaning towards just letting him live forever though. Worst case scenario we get to mulligan this game and go play something else :p

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 5:07 am
by Datisi
In post 2884, Greeting wrote:@
Datisi
How many nightkills can the mafia perform per night?
0 or 1.

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 5:10 am
by Enchant
Mafia will not make him defuser again regardless of alignment.

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 5:10 am
by Greeting
In post 2887, Datisi wrote:
In post 2884, Greeting wrote:@
Datisi
How many nightkills can the mafia perform per night?
0 or 1.
This changes things.

They might be going for the four defusals win.

HURT: VP Baltar

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 5:11 am
by VP Baltar
In post 2888, Enchant wrote:Mafia will not make him defuser again regardless of alignment.
Sounds like a challenge mafia.

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 5:12 am
by Cephrir
Idea. What if we use heal/hurt votes as a referendum on VP today? If he gets a majority of heals, or perhaps majority+1 or 2 to account for scum votes, we bet the game on him, and if not we blow him up.

HEAL: vp

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 5:14 am
by StrangeMatter
In post 2879, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 2873, StrangeMatter wrote:About the Dwlee TMI, it was mostly a gut feeling from reading their posts that feels very TMI-like but I can't really point to exactly why knowing the flips. Though I guess its also feeling of something similar to Dwlee!scum just constantly going with the consensus slots (Similar to where he sits there and allows people to just consensus onto wrong slots).
I would like you to cite actual posts please.
Not great at citing posts (or in general) but okay.

#1006
#1404
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13316311
#2810

This part pinged my gut as a little TMI-like with the read on someone I don't feel like has been neither scummy nor really townie, even checking the slot before them doesn't really give me a lot to work with.

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 5:15 am
by Greeting
The mafia cannot stock up on nightkills. They've just probably opted for the four bomb defusals wincon.

I am doing a U-turn on this.
VP Baltar
needs to go.

VOTE: VP Baltar

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 5:19 am
by Cephrir
Don't kill him with votes.

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 6:05 am
by Cat Scratch Fever
Oh good, i was starting to worry there wasn't enough resistance to a mala wagon

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 6:05 am
by Dwlee99
In post 2892, StrangeMatter wrote:
In post 2879, VP Baltar wrote:
In post 2873, StrangeMatter wrote:About the Dwlee TMI, it was mostly a gut feeling from reading their posts that feels very TMI-like but I can't really point to exactly why knowing the flips. Though I guess its also feeling of something similar to Dwlee!scum just constantly going with the consensus slots (Similar to where he sits there and allows people to just consensus onto wrong slots).
I would like you to cite actual posts please.
Not great at citing posts (or in general) but okay.

#1006
#1404
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13316311
#2810

This part pinged my gut as a little TMI-like with the read on someone I don't feel like has been neither scummy nor really townie, even checking the slot before them doesn't really give me a lot to work with.
Where's the TMI unless I'm bussing mala here?

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 6:05 am
by Enchant
In post 2894, Cephrir wrote:Don't kill him with votes.
Kill him with what then?

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 6:06 am
by Dwlee99
In post 2897, Enchant wrote:
In post 2894, Cephrir wrote:Don't kill him with votes.
Kill him with what then?
If he gets another bomb defusal opportunity

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 6:08 am
by VP Baltar
In post 2895, Cat Scratch Fever wrote:Oh good, i was starting to worry there wasn't enough resistance to a mala wagon
This is my thought. We go from no one buying the scum wifom, to suddenly VP must die now because wifom!