Xenosaga Mafia (Game Over)

[Metal Sonic]

ya they are not a 100% town read

i wasnt paying attention to the roles but i think you can agree that their posts in this game werent stellar i pay attention to that

but ya they would probably be on the town list as well

[Metal Sonic]

so that leaves

mastin kaze gooner venmar as my unsure list


i iso'd mastin and found town.

kaze gooner venmar left.


thats my lynch pool

no way is skull getting lynched man

[Metal Sonic]

when i said "i iso'd mastin and found town"

this is similar to the kagami read i had d2. i was right. i will trust myself that i am right currently as well.


kaze is one of the biggest question marks and he is on nobody's town list. lynch him imo

[zMuffinMan]

i feel vaguely town about kaze, and at least not scummy

i'd lynch you, mollie and skull prob before i lynch kaze

speaking of, where does your strong town read on mollie come from?

[mastin2]

never lynching(100% townread): skull, mollie, sangre, muffin, orc, dan

unsure(non 100% townread): mastin, gooner, kaze venmar

With me as a townread.
Skull's looking town, yes, but not that town; I need an explanation, here.
Muffin I also want an explanation for.
Additionally, while I am townreading mollie, that townread has waned a bit, since I kinda feel like I remember town-Mollie having more...oomph? more rambling? More paranoia? More...stuff? than what she's got.

[Venmar]

Yeah, I feel almost the same way about Kaze.

I see most of the remaining players alive as town-ish with the exception of Metal Sonic, who is the only players I have a scumread on I would be interested in pursuing, and ActionDan, who I am paranoid about but not suspicious of.

[sangres]

Feel almost the same way as what about Kaze?

[Venmar]

Forgot Mastin posted before me,

i feel vaguely town about kaze, and at least not scummy

[Skullduggery]

Metal Sonic, take 10 or 15 minutes to ISO Cephrir and pay attention to how hard he tried to get Mastin lynched. It doesn't look at all like Scum trying to bus a partner; it looks like Scum trying to eliminate a threat. Now that our SK has been caught, there is no doubt that Mastin is Town.

[Metal Sonic]

i usually dont rely on associative tells but i will do it specially because you suggested me to <3

[Skullduggery]

Flandre and SSK left us very little to work with, but Cephrir's ISO is a gold mine of information. I'm sure a player more skilled than I can find some choice nuggets in there.

[Metal Sonic]

digdigdigdig

I guess I need to reread pie and focus on tone/emotion to try to figure out what everyone is talking about then

I'll give up on getting a solid answer re aegor & kaze, I guess it's possible you just can't articulate that even though I'm certainly dubious

I just iso'd SSk and I guess he tried a little harder than I recalled but still =S

ping on SSK. note he waffles on SSK town. Note he calls out aegor and kaze(note2 that he had no idea aegor was SK)

I haven't read all these posts yet but I fucking told you pie was town

Venmar is scum for suggesting otherwise

note: he knew pie was going to flip town note2: possibly bus on venmar

[snip for brevity]

mastin2- Not scum, nor am I surprised you have a hunch(ish) about who I am. That being said, there are other plays I'm shocked have not let on an idea of my main.

sangres- Brilliant vote, I must say. In the spirit of naked votes, I raise you one:

VOTE: Aegor

ActionDan- Is this the part where we sing a duet of A whole new world or Hakuna Matata?

Brian Skies- Using intentional ragequits is a bannable offense I believe.

Tryingto be cutesy about Sangres's vote on them.
Voting an obviously town-aligned player.
Engaging action dan about nothing.

Wow this post looks so town-aligned.

Aegor is an obviously town-aligned player? First I've heard of it.

You are doing exactly what I'm scumreading mastin for doing, except even more blatantly and going against the grain a little more.

note: cephrir had no idea aegor was scum.

PEdit: It's not a mastin tell because this doesn't look like his scummeta.

That doesn't make any sense!

I guess I might as well just make this a readslist, even though they are the worst.

Town:
Skull- If you disagree with this just go away.
Pie- If you want to pretend the massive ATE didn't happen, I would still put this here. I never actually reread for tone or whatever people were seeing but I intuitively find those people to be full of shit.
Cabd- This is about as town a read as Cabd is going to get from me like ever. Maybe I should be worried that he isn't doing things I don't understand like he usually does, but he's made a lot of sense to me this game. I like that he isn't trying too hard.
Brian- I can't actually explain this off the top of my head, but I definitely recall feeling this way after some of his posts.
Kaze- Has weird tone/wording sometimes, but what he is actually saying seems pretty town if I don't think too hard about the ways he says it.

Lean town:
Sangres- Nacho has entered pretty well, but I'm not ready to give this slot a free pass.
Varsoon- Gut, I guess.
Muffin- Demeanor reminds me of FEA, even though I'd find him odd in a void.
SSK- Is actually sort of trying.

???:
Venmar- has rubbed me the wrong way at times (and I think you were the one who threatened me with a mutual scumread which I hated?) but nonetheless his neighbors are scummier
Actiondan- almost certainly never leaving this category, and probably never going to try
Metal Sonic- not radiating the town Metal Sonic I have seen and expected to see. Moves down substantially if AFB is town, I don't believe the neighbors are all town
Kagami- Started out okay, got weird. Might be something to what people have described as her(?) town meta not being present.
Aegor- I'm pretty sure I have touched on when I felt he was weird and possibly WKing me/trying to create a TvT in places. Hate the left field Kaze vote. On the other hand, did some things I thought were town early on.

Scummy:
Mollie- I have never seen you be scum but this doesn't seem in character. Feel like I should not be the only one worried about this, but apparently I am. Weird free pass from mastin who is probably scum.
AFB- I am trying to get around my inherent bias because of them tunneling me but it's not working. Everyone else seems to think they are obvtown but I don't get it. Honestly sounds a lot like Scumrir, and I'm sort of done with the 'Scumrir-esque players are town' mindset I used to have because it keeps being wrong.
Flandre- Just all around sucks every single post. Has not done anything town whatsoever.
Orc- I think we're letting him skate by entirely too much because people are seeing too much in the hated claim. Nothing prevents him from being hated and scum, which could easily prompt genuine emotion(if that's what people saw, because I didn't). Not radiating the town orcinus I have seen in the past. Tunnel on Skull is bullshit. Last time I thought he was weird, I was right and didn't listen to my instincts.

Scum:
Mastin- Explained this to death, realize it's not happening, still want the right to say I told you so in the event I actually got something right once in my life.

GOLDMINE POST LOOK HERE EVERYONE

note that most of these are lies by virtue of cephrir being scum. also note that cephrir has to put in some facts in as scum (he knows the alignment of everyone except aegor, so gotta kiss some ass)

note that he has SSK in his "leaning town pile" but with the most shittiest and contrived reasoning possible. note that he has flandre in scumpile with also very shitty and contrived reasoning. need you guys to spot the 3rd teammate that he has explain with poor reasoning. candidates atm (venmar/gooner/kaze), and he has poorest reasoning for gooner and kaze. seems that venmar isn't one of his teammates but i dont trust assoc tells anyway

-> points towards gooner/kaze scum

Well, I daresay neither of those is a vig shot.

In other news, I think Kaze is noticeably scummier given Kagami's flip.

points towards kaze scum

o wait

Unvote
Vote: Metal Sonic

you win this time, nacho

Are you serious? MafiaSSK is very obviously scum.

VOTE: Kaze

o.O

lol

[5] MafiaSSK (Skullduggery, ActionDan, Gooner, Cephrir, Aegor, sangres)
That's almost a confirmation that there's a scum in that neighborhood. I can't imagine why someone would not own up to that.

note that cephrir had no idea that aegor was scum. note that cephrir was probably referring to himself as scum in the neighbourhood, and was unaware that aegorscum in the neighborhood as well.

this kind of assoc tell points away from gooner

tl;dr cephrir's iso's associative tells point towards kaze as the last scumbuddy.

[borkjerfkin]

pirate mollie was prodded.
waiting to hear back about a replacement for the Gooner slot.

[zMuffinMan]

tl;dr cephrir's iso's associative tells point towards kaze as the last scumbuddy

i read everything you quoted and i don't get how you came to the conclusions you came to

note that cephrir was probably referring to himself as scum in the neighbourhood

and cephrir wasn't in the neighbourhood

remaining neighbourhood players are mollie, skull, sangres and gooner, all of whom you have strongly town except gooner

[zMuffinMan]

(from the neighbourhood cephrir was referring to, obv. i am aware you and venmar are in a separate neighbourhood)

[Kazekirimaru]

tl;dr cephrir's iso's associative tells point towards kaze as the last scumbuddy.

It's amazing how you find exactly what you're looking for when all you see is what you want to see.

Confirmation bias is a beautiful thing.

[Kazekirimaru]

That said, I have no idea what you're seeing, so you must wear some strong prescription cogdis sunglasses to see anything in the posts you quoted.

[Venmar]

If the large neighborhood had a SK, what stops my neighborhood from having a scum?

[zMuffinMan]

nothing

but now that i'm thinking about it and remembering it, there's still the {THING BORK DOESN'T WANT US TO DISCUSS} and i don't think aegor was the one that did the {THING BORK DOESN'T WANT US TO DISCUSS} because i can't really think of any way in which a SK would QT slip something, which means if there IS only one scum left it's prob in the bigger neighbourhood actually

[Kazekirimaru]

tl;dr cephrir's iso's associative tells point towards kaze as the last scumbuddy.

It's amazing how you find exactly what you're looking for when all you see is what you want to see.

Confirmation bias is a beautiful thing.

Wait, fuck.

UNVOTE:

My gut is ahead of my brain, it seems.

Need to think.

[zMuffinMan]

you don't

need

to think

liar

LAL

[pirate mollie]

you don't

need

to think

liar

LAL

you really don't give a shit who gets lynched do you

VOTE: muffina

[pirate mollie]

sorry nacho but I think you are wrong about muffina

[Venmar]

I think it's the other way around?

[pirate mollie]

I think it's the other way around?

yeah I guess that is why I voted metal huh instead of asking for him to town it up if he is town

which he has