Mafiascum.net

still noting that you are failing to demonstrate how I can be scum with sotty. or metal since that is your current scumread.

You are like wisdom

Except wisdom won a best town performance

Ooba I give you my word that I will self vote first thing tomorrow if you flip town

Then wgeurts will hop on gleefully

Then Zzzx will be paranoid and reluctantly place a vote

Then whoever is scum will hammer

Will you be happy?

↑ Metal Sonic wrote:You are like wisdom

Except wisdom won a best town performance

Ooba I give you my word that I will self vote first thing tomorrow if you flip town

every time you post shit like this it just makes me that more unsure.

Or ABR will have doubts about the masonry and place a vote

Or GI remembers how hard I've been against him all game and decides im not worth it.

Or mollie succumbs to her waffle and turns on me



Why are you pussyfooting about, ooba? Town are in control of the game. Unless you caught the wrong person, scum influence is near 0.

My team has told me to be strong. So I am going to fight you like I would normally have.

↑ pirate mollie wrote:

↑ Metal Sonic wrote:You are like wisdom

Except wisdom won a best town performance

Ooba I give you my word that I will self vote first thing tomorrow if you flip town

every time you post shit like this it just makes me that more unsure.

I actually like wisdom

I'm phoneposting rhetoric to ooba

I know it's wrong but FINE ILL STOP

↑ pirate mollie wrote:

still noting that you are failing to demonstrate how I can be scum with

sotty.

or metal since that is your current scumread.

I'm sorry. Did you not read the last post? I coloured it too.

"X has been scum reading Y on D1, D2, D3, D4.

A big Y wagon\suspicion is building up - X suddenly does an about turn on Y - calls him town and calls Y's attacker scum."

I keep pointing this out and you keep saying "But you haven't shown how X and Y can be scum toghether"

MS, I am obviously pussyfooting about.

↑ ooba wrote:I'm going 1:1 with Metal Sonic. Your town bloc is broken and I need to take steps to fix it.

Lynch him. If he flips town, you can kill me tomorrow.

Vote: MS

Just literally open the tab where he pleads to Nacho to change the lists and tell me you don't see scum partner with Sotty\Kagami written all over it.

I've convinced half my town. I'm confident on convincing the others. Let's get you lynched today.

Would you be so kind as to requote your case again?

I'll get to you when I'm home

Ooba and mollie, I think you're both wrong.

↑ ooba wrote:

↑ pirate mollie wrote:

still noting that you are failing to demonstrate how I can be scum with

sotty.

or metal since that is your current scumread.

I'm sorry. Did you not read the last post? I coloured it too.

"X has been scum reading Y on D1, D2, D3, D4.

A big Y wagon\suspicion is building up - X suddenly does an about turn on Y - calls him town and calls Y's attacker scum."

I keep pointing this out and you keep saying "But you haven't shown how X and Y can be scum toghether"

---

MS, I am obviously pussyfooting about.

↑ ooba wrote:I'm going 1:1 with Metal Sonic. Your town bloc is broken and I need to take steps to fix it.

Lynch him. If he flips town, you can kill me tomorrow.

Vote: MS

Just literally open the tab where he pleads to Nacho to change the lists and tell me you don't see scum partner with Sotty\Kagami written all over it.

I've convinced half my town. I'm confident on convincing the others. Let's get you lynched today.

I didn't swap in until d2. and I have asked you to look at my interactions that day and you aren't. your whole read on me is based on some nefarious plot I seem to have that is based on wifom while ignoring what you say you are using to sort out other players.

I already said that it feels like you are opting for lynchable candidates instead of trying to sort the game. that is why I am unsure about you, cos your thought progression doesn't make sense. what I am trying to figure out is if our game approaches are very very different or if you are just flat out scum.

@MS:

↑ ooba wrote:b)

Nacho's list reactions

Nacho's death list had two scum at the start of the list. Now I re-read ZZZX's reaction and it was painfully calm - didn't act like how a scum dude would react to two scum buddies heading the list. Now just see MS's reaction:

Spoiler:

Nacho wrote:My personal death list is:

Sotty ---> Kagami ---> GreyICE ---> Zar.

Are you going to follow those names when I flip town, Grey?

Step 1: Ignore Nacho directions - set up a grey mislynch.

↑ Metal Sonic wrote:

↑ pirate mollie wrote:

↑ Albert B. Rampage wrote:

↑ pirate mollie wrote:I really want to be lynched guys.

Not happening. You just town cleared yourself and we're about to lynch your scumread Nacho.

can we then lynch grey?

cos that is what my team terribly wants.

Yes. Grey after nacho

#2205: Nacho specifically quotes MS above post and says “No. Follow the plan.”

#2207: MS specifically asks about the “Did you discard page 56 plan cause that one was actually the plan I was going to follow! I think you know that I dislike dynamic plans!”

Then there’s the Kagami hammer and even more defense of the slot

The funny thing was it may possibly come from town!


You can get a low player evaluation too!

#2215: Nacho reiterates “Follow the plan.”

#2216: MS: “But you changed reads! I can't follow a read changer!!!!!! HELP ME ASDGHHJKKLL”

#2219: Nacho: “This is my dying breath, my time taken away by a scum quickhammer. Do not deviate, do not delay, do not get distracted.”

#2220: MS: Talks about other plans Nacho came up with

#2225: “OKAY I WILL FOLLOW YOUR PLAN SENPAI”

Starts setting up a “Oh what if Nacho is wrong angle” that he pursues on D3

#2226:

EVEN THOUGH I THINK GREYICE SHOULD DIE IN A PIT FIRE FIRST



BUT NACHO TOWN IS ALWAYS RIGHT YAS?

#2235-8: He fucking pleads with Nacho for any changes to his list.

LAST WORDS! LAST WILL! ANY CHANGES???? (I KNOW YOU WILL)

EVERYTHING YOU SAY IS VERY IMPORTANT

IF WE LOSE IT IS ON YOU.

YOU WILL LEAD US TO VICTORY.

BE THE KING AND LORD FOR ALL OF US AND BRING US TO VICTORY

yeah if you have any changes to your plan because of that shitty opportunistic wagon composition (note: mollie + grey on the same wagon, sotty not even voting you) you really should give them before your heart stops

D3:
He votes for Sotty but suddenly descends into an *Argument* with mollie

#2339: Suddenly he wants Sotty to come into the thread and town it up so that they don’t have to follow Nacho’s plan. Remember, tis is the same person WHOS been on every single scum list of his, along with a detailed case on why GreyIce-Sotty are scum together.

#2341: You have the ‘What if Nacho is wrong’ series

this is like jumping off a building and hoping that jesus nacho will carry us to the heavens!


let's not think about what happens if this goes wrong!

#2347: “i was talking to myself about what if sotty was town.”

Mollie, he's town!
Don't you agree that if MS flips scum he's town?
And even if he's wrong we have his vote, we can sort him by lynching MS and ICE.
We'll lynch ooba if we have no other choices.
He also thinks ABR could be MS partner instead of you.

@Mollie:
Lets talk about thought progression:
- You've scum read MS all throughout
- I post a case on him
- Even if you did heed your team's words on MS - you haven't approached the particulars of the case at all. It's obviously something that can help you make up your mind better on that slot.
- Alternatively, if you think I'm scum - that's the first thing you should have taken a look at - because a scum-me's case on town-MS should have some gaping holes in it.

Instead:
- You accuse me of ignoring questions I have already answered.
- You accuse me of "lynchable candidates instead of trying to sort the game", when I have chosen MS - a person nearly everyone had as universal town before the case.
- You accuse me of not sorting the game, when I've already analysed who can and cannot be scum based on interactions

Just because you keep repeating 'thoughts are bullshit' or 'thoughts don't have progression' doesn't make it true.

And both this and the 'ignoring' bit are an exact repeat of your scum MO from the last game we played together.

I just want to post this nugget that I found while destroying your "description" case, ooba

↑ Nachomamma8 wrote:The game is at a stalemate reads-wise because of egos. That's why it's important that everyone agrees to follow the vengeful plan from now on, and it isn't really that important to flesh out reads any more than they've already been fleshed out. The reason why it is important for people to stop talking is so that the plan is perfectly clear. Talking about non game events such as the Mollie-ABR connection is bad because it's a discussion that doesn't need to happen in public. When I'm dead and gone, I'll be more than happy to let Mollie rant to me and actually talk about what's going on, if I can get mod's permission.

I'm guilty of it too.

Carry on.

Context, people. I have 600 posts, my best play was allegedly in Day 1, my standard of play dropped as the game progressed --

For discussion purposes, let's say that

1. Finding GreyICE scummy could be a town thought process
2. Metal Sonic is an unorthodox player.


With this knowledge, you can see how Metal Sonic as town would progress with extreme caution as the game was at 6:4

↑ ooba wrote:Step 1: Ignore Nacho directions - set up a grey mislynch.

To the eyes of a town player thinking that Grey was scum, it would not be a mislynch.

(6:4)
(5:4)
(4:4)

It would be the game over.

Now, keep in mind that Metal Sonic had Sotty-Grey as scum together.

Therefore in his mind he would have thought:
(6:3)
(5:3)
(5:2)

Hence, the clear

↑ Metal Sonic wrote:KILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

VOTE: SOTTY

One may notice the blatant, and arguably scummy hesitation by Metal Sonic that

↑ Metal Sonic wrote:STOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP


UNVOTE: Sotty

However, this was clearly indicated by a previous post

↑ Metal Sonic wrote:

↑ quadz08 wrote:Sotty (4) - Nachomamma8,

GreyICE

, Ooba,

Pirate Mollie

see this wagon. there is a greyice and a mollie. supposed mortal enemies. i will not approach this place.



ABR, ZZZX, I am relaying the both of you to vote ooba. wgeurts is here too so it is a more solid wagon than nachos wagon.

Note that Metal Sonic had noted

↑ quadz08 wrote:Nachomamma8 (6) - GreyICE, Pirate Mollie,

and again

↑ quadz08 wrote:
Sotty (4) - GreyICE, Pirate Mollie

A reasonable stance to take considering his extreme doubt of GreyICE, and in the event that he is gravely wrong, mollie in opposition to him.

So, not scum intent there.

↑ Metal Sonic wrote:(note: mollie + grey on the same wagon, sotty not even voting you)

↑ Metal Sonic wrote:(note: mollie + grey on the same wagon, sotty not even voting you)

↑ Metal Sonic wrote:(note: mollie + grey on the same wagon, sotty not even voting you)

↑ Metal Sonic wrote:(note: mollie + grey on the same wagon, sotty not even voting you)

I gave a fucking reason, ooba. It's not begging scum. Seriously.

↑ Metal Sonic wrote:EVERYTHING YOU SAY IS VERY IMPORTANT

IF WE LOSE IT IS ON YOU.

YOU WILL LEAD US TO VICTORY.

BE THE KING AND LORD FOR ALL OF US AND BRING US TO VICTORY

Doubt in Nacho's plan was already in place which is evident from this

and

↑ Metal Sonic wrote:I KNEW SOMETHING WAS OFF WHEN MOLLIE AND GREYICE VOTED TOGETHER. IT ALWAYS IS!!!!!!!

Where are those quotes, ooba? Where are they?

↑ ooba wrote:#2216: MS: “But you changed reads! I can't follow a read changer!!!!!! HELP ME ASDGHHJKKLL”

↑ Nachomamma8 wrote:Before I go, I need everyone to agree that they will follow my reads that when I'm gone. It is optimal town strategy to play popcorn lynching in this situation (two mislynches in a row in an 8:4 nightless) because our voting to power is going to go to shit when I'm gone. The lynches I want are:

Kagami --> EddieFenix --> Sotty --> Seraphim

I understand the Eddie over Sotty case is surprising and weird to most, but I'm scumreading mollie at the moment and that read takes priority over pretty much anything else (Kagami goes first because her scumflip is literally the best thing this game can get).

The townies in this game are:

ABR
ZZZX
Metal Sonic
wgeurts

---gap---

Zar
GreyICE

From this point on, you operate as a group. The best thing I can do for you is be the cement Hoopla talked about yesterday: if you have any doubts, any questions about that group, let me know and I'll get to them as soon as possible. I will not focus on defending myself as much anymore because I do believe my death can be a really good thing for town: I'm going down, but I'm going to make sure the scumteam is absolutely fucked when that hammer vote on me.

I know I'm a dramatic person. I'm sorry, I have a lot of fun when I'm playing mafia. That doesn't mean I'm being emotional about this. That doesn't mean that I'm wrong about optimal play here. Don't go "oh, nacho freaked out/nacho's a weirdo/nacho's dumb/nacho played poorly" because that's not the truth in any world. I don't get this way often about games, but this game turned out to be absolutely perfect for the things that I'm good at doing, and I'm putting in the work, I'm putting in the time, I'm doing my part for this town win.

This is the original list, airhead. Kagami was first regardless. Sotty was third even if "I made Nacho change his list" back to the page 50 list. There is even less scum motivation for me to get him to change because scum-me would have to follow this one, without the prospect of GreyICE. Sotty and Kagami were already on the rollers for the chopping block long too early and that is why my actions cannot be scum motivated. But let's continue breaking down your case with too many wrong assumptions.

↑ ooba wrote:#2207: MS specifically asks about the “Did you discard page 56 plan cause that one was actually the plan I was going to follow! I think you know that I dislike dynamic plans!”

Nachomamma in Page 56 wrote:Kagami --> EddieFenix --> Sotty --> Seraphim

You have no case, ooba. You don't.

↑ ooba wrote:


Then there’s the Kagami hammer and even more defense of the slot

The funny thing was it may possibly come from town!


You can get a low player evaluation too!

Good move. But save it, because

↑ Albert B. Rampage wrote:

↑ pirate mollie wrote:okay. lemmie counter this!

kagami - is a sleeper. I never understood nacho's push on her and it is about as weird as his push on eddie when I replaced into who's slot! do you have anything more?

nacho - I thought I was feeling the town vibes! then he got weird. I want to lynch him.

abr - I thought he was scum with you and and nacho. bulba says no. so I am gonna treat him like town.

sotty - is this your bussing read?

Look at this Nacho read. She goes on to say she doubts Nacho is town. I questioned Nacho's Kagami read, pirate questioned Nacho's Kagami read. We both think it's weird.

We've established that Pirate is suspicious of Nacho. Why isn't she voting him? Well if she doesn't do it before the deadline, she should check to see if she hasn't compromised her game because of when emotions flared. That moment had already passed now, if she can collect herself and vote her scumread, I'll welcome the slot into the townblock.

↑ GreyICE wrote:By the by if Kagami is, somehow town and sotty is scum

↑ ooba wrote:Kagami is flipping town.

- D2: I wanted to lynch Sotty when Nacho was the play
- D4: I want to present my lynch choices when Kagami is the play
See any similarities?

You WILL GODDAMN WAIT AND LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE TO SAY.

↑ Metal Sonic wrote:

↑ wgeurts wrote:It looks to me like scum not really caring just wanting to get a lynch, which makes sense as Kagami already stated she didn't want to play but is only doing it as a favour for cabd.

yeah, kagami rejected my offer to join my team earlier on during signups, because "she didn't have time"

maybe cabd coerced her into coming here, but i guess she wasn't lying about that!

↑ Metal Sonic wrote:

kagami this is directly addressed to you

↑ Metal Sonic wrote:

↑ Metal Sonic wrote:

↑ Kagami wrote:
Scum

GreyICE (TBD)
Hoopla (Confectionery Animals)

Zar Empire (The Westeros Circlejerk)
wgeurts (Young and Beautiful)
Metal Sonic (team nocaps)
Nachomamma8 (Gestalt)
ZZZX (TEAM WITH NO NAME)

EddieFenix (The Leftovers)
Seraphim (The Unviggable Vegetables)
Sotty7 (The Kliq)
Albert B. Rampage (Blue, Meth, Blade and Associates)

Town

Hey, Kagami,
Hey Hey, Kagami,

Hey, Kagami,
Hey Hey, Kagami,

This reads list is an utter piece of pure bull shit.

Look, I just chastised Seraphim for posting crap on #219

↑ Metal Sonic wrote:Your second post was a bit less shit, because you provided your reads, so that we can see where you stand on the players in the game. Unfortunately, it is still shit, because firstly, there was no trajectory on any of your reads, which means that it came out of nowhere. Secondly, there is a lack of accountability, as there was no previous indication on how you were arriving at your reads, we are unable to see your thought processes behind the reads. Thirdly, it is shit, because your reasoning is scarce, less than 9 words for each read, we are unable to gain any new insights from your post. Finally, it is shit, because anybody could come up with that readslist by making a "Town", "Null", and "Scum" section, and randomly fill in the appropriate categories with the names in the playerlist -- it is falsifiable.

It is 700 posts into the game so

garbage like this is not acceptable.

I understand that you're messing with GreyICE but

I'm not going to be a hypocrite and condone this shit, so pull yourself together.

I expect better from Kagami. Town Kagami.

and here's a nugget:

↑ Metal Sonic wrote:Sottyscum will be forced to vote for him too cause of her trajectory.

↑ Metal Sonic wrote:VOTE: Kagami

Ok

↑ ooba wrote:Starts setting up a “Oh what if Nacho is wrong angle” that he pursues on D3

Genius, what is the scum motivation for this? You are just describing my actions that you cannot make sense of. Just face the fact that you can't read me for shit, and because you're doing this by PoE, a confused read is a scum read.

If I was scum, I know 100% Sotty was going to flip scum.
If I was town, Sotty was on my deathlist the entire game, even if lightly pushed because I was going for "big fish" greyICE.

This is a contingency in case by some foul cult the plan falls flat the first day, and I was wrong about Grey-Sotty. Also, I wanted to lynch people by myself. In hindsight, that was wrong as hell. Scum would not do that, because scum would have this magic gift of "sight".

Even GreyICE sets up a contingency:

↑ GreyICE wrote:48 hours don't hammer.

↑ ooba wrote:He votes for Sotty but suddenly descends into an *Argument* with mollie

Description no analysis.

↑ ooba wrote:You have the ‘What if Nacho is wrong’ series

Description no analysis.

Sotty was on my deathlist the entire time and it would be suicidal to do otherwise.

But remember this:

↑ Nachomamma8 wrote:Give Sotty 48 hours to prepare her list of four names. If she provides them and flips town, follow her reads exactly. If she doesn't post them and flips town, then Metal Sonic chooses the next day's lynch, with the caveat that he does not lynch ZZZX. If Sotty flips scum, follow the same procedure with Kagami.

Okay I did not want to follow Sotty-if-somehow-town's list that had me as scum. Lol. I wanted to call the shots.

That was sneaky, call it scummy if you want, but it came from town.




That's all from "Nacho's list reactions"

If you look at it from the angle that "Sonic thought Grey was scum", everything makes sense.

Oh and the fact that if Nacho changed his reads to the 'page 56' one which I'm sure you didn't read, it had the same 2 scum in it.

Your point that I am scum is so invalid.

Thanks for waking me from la-la-land.

↑ ooba wrote:MS’s interactions with me are also particularly telling
- When I’m certain in Nacho\Grey town reads and Sotty\Kagami scum reads
—> Replies with "My conviction is so high, its shocking"
- When I post my meta and state how different my town and scum games are (which anyone who’s played with me more than twice will no)
—> Replies with "Meta suddenly shouldn’t apply in team Mafia games"
- Wgeurts mentions how a Sotty scum flip would help my town cred
—> Replies with "Supposedly my reads are “Too perfect”"

- When I’m certain in Nacho\Grey town reads and Sotty\Kagami scum reads
—> Replies with "My conviction is so high, its shocking"

You were right on all of them, sans unflipped Grey. However, it is strange that you go

↑ ooba wrote:

↑ wgeurts wrote:

↑ ooba wrote:Whoa! Whoa! Whoa!

Nobody's doing any fucking lynch before I have my say. Unvote now.

Kagami is town.

No lynch her with us so we can be sure of that.
Please do it so I can factor you in when she flips.

I don't want this to become another one of 'his reads are too perfect' when Kagami flips town.

I want to highlight my thought process behind who I think is scum now - what town reads are and why I came to the conclusions I did.

If possible, I would like to use this particular series of posts to move the lynch to actually scum.

Scum really wanted to push it to 5:4 with a mislynch yesterday. Analyse everything from that - you will arrive at the truth.

Similary, we are at 6:3 they want to push today's mislynch ahead too. Let's analyse the sotty flip. Let's look at interactions.

Discussion people. And I will lead it.

You planted that there. Talk about 'weird'.

Not to mention that upon your arrival Kagami was at L-2.

ZZZX, Grey, Myself, Mollie.

I unvoted to wait for what you had to say. Also, "48 hours".

I fell into your trap, apparently, cause you took the hammer from me which I WAS going to crucify you with for 1. attempting to derail Nacho's plan OR exonerate you with saving us from a bad lynch. Alternatively I was probably going to say that your reads were too perfect but that could be easily waived if you ACTUALLY RESPONDED TO TOWN-ME'S THIS:

↑ Metal Sonic wrote:Let me give you a chance.


When you have time, lay out all reasoning, with evidence and all analysis necessary for all pertinent reads that you have.

I forgot to mention, by the way, that "ISO-reading me"

↑ ooba wrote:Second, just ISO Metal Sonic.

will always yield inconclusive alignment results due to my play.

It is likely no coincidence that both you and mollie, both replacements, were the only players to express that I was scummy . If Alch comes in and calls me scum too, that proves the theory. But this is a weak defense, admitted. I just want you to know this in future when you play with me. Ahem.

↑ ooba wrote:- When I post my meta and state how different my town and scum games are (which anyone who’s played with me more than twice will no)
—> Replies with "Meta suddenly shouldn’t apply in team Mafia games"

It wasn't "suddenly". Read the first bits of my ISO because you conveniently omitted them from your readings, and I have already laid out and explained all the optimal game theory and my thoughts that go into the thread. This isn't an alignment indicative point and you know it.

Plus, if you want to talk meta, I have played a grand total of two completed games with you. You were masons in both. First game was when I was scum and slain you with the night kill. Second was when I was masons with you and you could see my play as a crazy conf-town. You have seen me as town, and as scum, thought I never had to sort you in either of those two interactions.

yes, I threw the game as town. fuck me.

↑ ooba wrote:- Wgeurts mentions how a Sotty scum flip would help my town cred
—> Replies with "Supposedly my reads are “Too perfect”"

Notscience is an example of a player whose reads are "too perfect" as scum. He will place real town in the townblock and real scum in the scumblock. Either he rides the towncred to victory, or he gets lynched first/hit by a PR and his team crumbles.

Have you played with him before?

Wisdom is an example of a player who tunnels town as town and tunnels town even more as scum. The sole instance of me playing against scum-him was in Capcom which you were my partner in. Are you tunneling me as town or tunneling me as scum?

How much must I bend to convince you that this is where you're going wrong? I had to let slip the fact that I was masons with Bulba for that game. I don't have this advantage here. All I have is my pure, 100% town and always-explained thought processes.

And no, my reads are never perfect as town. As I have mentioned, I'll get scum right the first time, then when I change my reads they turn wrong.




And this last one here is easy:

↑ ooba wrote:

The first post in which he literally turns around? The one where I express the view that Kagami might be a mislynch set up by scum.

Wrong. False. Wrong. False. Misrep. False. Lie.

↑ Metal Sonic wrote:

↑ ooba wrote:

↑ Metal Sonic wrote:i have a duty to preserve the legacy of nacho


even if i strongly disagree with them!

Nacho was wrong about all other three names on his list. You'll see why once I show you the light.

you intrigue me.

i like your play ooba. I like it too much.

I am going to have high expectations.

[/spoiler]

The first where I literally turned around is here:

↑ Metal Sonic wrote:Let me give you a chance.


When you have time, lay out all reasoning, with evidence and all analysis necessary for all pertinent reads that you have.

The second where I tried to interact with you to understand your "GI Townread" is here:

↑ Metal Sonic wrote:

↑ Metal Sonic wrote:Let me give you a chance.


When you have time, lay out all reasoning, with evidence and all analysis necessary for all pertinent reads that you have.

This is important before I take any of your reads into account.

And I go again the third time:

↑ Metal Sonic wrote:

↑ Metal Sonic wrote:Let me give you a chance.


When you have time, lay out all reasoning, with evidence and all analysis necessary for all pertinent reads that you have.

ooba! I want to see this from you.

there is barely content to analyze after mid-day-2. (this is a complaint to no body in general!)

even though you were right about nacho town,

you can't be considered clear <------ if you are town you should understand why.



I caught grey's evil thought processes only after forcing him to spell out his reasonings and analysis. Before that he was just within acceptable levels.

I know I just warned you that this is a test! so it might be less reliable because as scum you would be more careful in the reads.

but lets just see if you can even pass the stress test!





I look forward to viewing your insights!

↑ Metal Sonic wrote:I've read through your entire ISO, ooba, and this is the only evidence I have seen you write for GI-town:

↑ ooba wrote:Here are instances where GreyIce is town:
a) I haven't been lynched as town in four years
b) I should stop playing if we don't get at least 2 scum flips in these four people
c) Plus he's been pushing scum all game long

The rest are all very weak "If sotty flips scum, GI is town". That is not reasoning, that is an unsubstantiated statement.


I think that your points for GI-town in the above quote are weak and I think that you know it!

I would really like your clear, genuine and insightful thought process!

↑ Metal Sonic wrote:

↑ ooba wrote:I don't do very big cases because it usually involves taking minor points and using them in an argument either way.

Minor points?

If you don't have major points to read someone, you don't have good reasons to read someone!

Nothing important is minor!

All of these came before the number "2545".

There have been more than three occasions where i have tried to get you to explain each of your reads (specifically GreyICE) and you

↑ Metal Sonic wrote:

↑ Metal Sonic wrote:

↑ ooba wrote:Both lynched Nacho by creating an air of fear, uncertainty and doubt about that player slot

but i like this very, very, very, very much.

i want to repost this because it gives me good feels

This caught my attention.

though, if I'd known better I should've gotten the opposite of good feels -- you're setting up.

How about we go with my plan and freeze the Ms/Ooba duo?

if we catch one of the scum its over so instead of going for ms/ooba (when one or BOTH can be town?) why not go for the easier lynches for scum?

what is your plan again

even if ooba is town i am determined to cure him

i can practice my obvtowning skills again

↑ Metal Sonic wrote:even if ooba is town i am determined to cure him

i can practice my obvtowning skills again

you and ooba stay alive.

we choose one guy who is 100% to be town

we lynch everyone else

we hit scum

in the end if we still have 1 more scum we lynch you both.

so it only depends on who we pick as town to be town.

↑ Metal Sonic wrote:First game was when I was scum and slain you with the night kill.

By the way,

you were slain because you were masons with GuyInFreezer. GIF can read me like a book, so the masons had to be eliminated. If you somehow thought that it was because of your reads, I would like you to burst that bubble.

Oh and nacho was on my team.

↑ ZZZX wrote:

↑ Metal Sonic wrote:even if ooba is town i am determined to cure him

i can practice my obvtowning skills again

you and ooba stay alive.

we choose one guy who is 100% to be town

we lynch everyone else

we hit scum

in the end if we still have 1 more scum we lynch you both.

so it only depends on who we pick as town to be town.

who is "that one guy"

ABR, you, or GI?