Mod Error Mafia [TM2015] - Game Over

[Wisdom]

but she's scum if T-Bone is town.

bullshit

[Wisdom]

I should reread the start of the day keeping in mind that one of Grey and T-Bone is definitely scum.

more bullshit

Did I mention Iecerint is scum?

yeah.

Ceph/Iecerint/shos it is

[Magua]

Vote Count 3.9

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

T-Bone (3): GreyICE, notscience, TierShift
GreyICE (2): shos, T-Bone
Cephrir (2): Wisdom, xRECKONERx

Not Voting (2): Cephrir, Iecerint

Deadline for Day 3 is Thursday May 14th, at 07:00pm EDT (site time).
Countdown to deadline:

(expired on 2015-05-14 18:00:00)

Name	Change	Score
Cephrir	-	0
GreyICE	-	0
Iecerint	-	0
notscience	-	0
shos	-	0
T-Bone	-	0
TierShift	-	0
Wisdom	-	-1,000,000
xRECKONERx	-	1,000,000

[Iecerint]

but she's scum if T-Bone is town.

bullshit

100% true.

I think you're smart enough and have thought enough about this game to have figured out what's going on.

[Wisdom]

No, what is going on? Entertain me.

[Iecerint]

I am reading GreyICE's slot first.

Most of LLD's early posts seem very town.

Aight, so I don't want to play the "outguess the mod" game, but I am willing to share any information people want to know about prior mafia stuff that is legal for me to tell you.

This is the potential breadcrumb I noticed, but GreyICE never commented on it, so I guess it is formally non-intentional. Something else I wish had been in claimpost, if it weren't.

Why don't you go have your alignment posted in the main thread after spending two tokens to be scum in a game, which is the role you really ENJOY playing and WANTED to play, then be told that despite it being no fault of your own, that you have 3 options, and 2 of them suck, so you have to reroll the game with NO TOKEN usage (which means our team got robbed of two tokens, which I'm still sour about) and then

be given a fucking shitty town role

to go with it, in a shitty playerlist that contains none of the people I really was excited to play with (like Nachomama, or Regfan, or Llmarble).

Bold added, Grey justified that LLD hates playing things that don't shoot people, but this seems straightforwardly misleading.

I could buy it as being intended to avoid the kill (nullifiable by explicitly listing the crumb), but I guess we'll never know!

[Iecerint]

No, what is going on? Entertain me.

[shos]

but she's scum if T-Bone is town.

bullshit

100% true.

I think you're smart enough and have thought enough about this game to have figured out what's going on.

you realize that 100% true of bullshit is bullshit, yes?

I need to hear why that is true, too, Iec. so if you have something, please

[Wisdom]

The only thing that is happening is that you have somehow forced a conclusion that there has to be one scum in Tbone/Grey so that you can force a Grey mislynch after you mislynch Tbone. It also serves as preparation for you to hop on Tbone.

That is all but I will be ignored as always and people will continue mislynching Tbone.

[Iecerint]

You know what I meant. <_<

It's 100% true that exactly one of Grey and T-Bone is scum, because the tracker is real and town, and that's too much power alongside a doctor (Rhinox).

The tracker being real and town is the obvious assumption implicit in all my recent posts. This is why it is bizarre for Wisdom not to have understood the motivation for my perspective.

I say exactly one because the double-bus is completely unnecessary, and it's too little town power without both of them.

Pedit: Oh, jesus.

[Wisdom]

I don't buy that the tracker is town and I don't care about roles to begin with. This is role madness. We won't scumhunt off roles.

[shos]

The only thing that is happening is that you have somehow forced a conclusion that there has to be one scum in Tbone/Grey so that you can force a Grey mislynch after you mislynch Tbone. It also serves as preparation for you to hop on Tbone.

That is all but I will be ignored as always and people will continue mislynching Tbone.

this is actually a very good post IF tbone is town.

[Wisdom]

which he is

[Iecerint]

And I mean, like. You're the architect of the T-Bone wagon. You have been the architect of basically every wagon in the game since your replace-in, other than the one on GreyICE.

The notion that you're poor little Cassandra is ridiculous.

[Wisdom]

I was against the Cabd wagon and I am against the Tbone wagon. I have a thing for when a wagon is scumpushed and I'm always right. It's that simple.

[Iecerint]

I don't buy that the tracker is town and I don't care about roles to begin with. This is role madness. We won't scumhunt off roles.

Doubting the alignment of the tracker is acceptable, but for the other, you are being ridiculous.

Some combinations of PRs are too powerful to all exist on the same townteam except for under very extreme circumstances. This is true because Mafiascum uses a review system that prevents it from happening. This kind of thing is LESS impossible in Theme games, but still totally a basic fact about how games are constructed and which games are possible.

In a Theme game that's part of Team Mafia, the chance of this guideline being violated is near 0%. People would complain about the broken nightgame deciding the theme game.

The presence of weak town roles (Cabd's flip) indicates that scum have at least one crappier role as well, so it's not simply balanced by scum being OP. And Zora wouldn't do that in a Team Mafia game anyway, cf. above.

[Wisdom]

Bullshit. There's nothing broken about all those roles being town, even if the tracker is also town. We don't know what scum have.

The one fact is that we're not going to be basing reads or lynches on roles. You are just doing it because it's convenient to push your mislynches.

[Iecerint]

I was against the Cabd wagon and I am against the Tbone wagon. I have a thing for when a wagon is scumpushed and I'm always right. It's that simple.

Dude, you were for the Cabd wagon before you were against it (less clear memories here), and you were for the Tbone wagon before you were against it.

You were also for the LLD/GreyICE wagon yesterday before you were against it.

Your pattern this game has been to push a wagon, then leave when it takes off to push while using rhetoric against whoever pushed on you in the first place.

I don't buy that you didn't understand where I was coming from. Disagreed on the specific point of the tracker's alignment, maybe. Failed to understand, no way. Believed that feigning ignorance was in any way pro-town, no way.

If it weren't for meta from someone (TS) and the fact that you are Who/mollie, I would have significant reservations about your alignment.

[Wisdom]

The presence of weak town roles (Cabd's flip) indicates that scum have at least one crappier role as well

Says who?

More forced conclusions.

[shos]

You know what I meant. <_<

It's 100% true that exactly one of Grey and T-Bone is scum, because the tracker is real and town, and that's too much power alongside a doctor (Rhinox).

The tracker being real and town is the obvious assumption implicit in all my recent posts. This is why it is bizarre for Wisdom not to have understood the motivation for my perspective.

I say exactly one because the double-bus is completely unnecessary, and it's too little town power without both of them.

Pedit: Oh, jesus.

Iece, scum having a Ninja absolves the tracker of -any- power. strongman can remove watch&doc or cop&doc. etc etc.\

the idea is that literally every town PR combo can be balanced with super-pwoerful scumbutts.


but Wisdom, yeah, you were ON the cabd wagon before you let it go and let it through; and same goes for the T-bone wagon. if Tbone flips town, that's actually pointing at you and Iece both -_-;

[Wisdom]

Dude, you were for the Cabd wagon before you were against it (less clear memories here), and you were for the Tbone wagon before you were against it.

You were also for the LLD/GreyICE wagon yesterday before you were against it.

Who the fuck cares? I change my mind a lot, the point is I was right at the end.

Is there a point to this other than trying to lower my credibility?

[Wisdom]

but Wisdom, yeah, you were ON the cabd wagon before you let it go and let it through; and same goes for the T-bone wagon. if Tbone flips town, that's actually pointing at you and Iece both -_-;

nothing is ever going to point at me because both me and my predecessors have been hilariously obvtown

[shos]

Dude, you were for the Cabd wagon before you were against it (less clear memories here), and you were for the Tbone wagon before you were against it.

You were also for the LLD/GreyICE wagon yesterday before you were against it.

Who the fuck cares? I change my mind a lot, the point is I was right at the end.

Is there a point to this other than trying to lower my credibility?

it looks like you're building steam on townwagons and then leave to not be on a mislynch. if Tbone flips town - then this description happens TWICE IN A ROW.


pedit: what, on earth, in Eddie was town????

[shos]

oh there was mollie there

I don't remember

oh there was who

lol

[Wisdom]

But it's funny how you and your scumbuddy try to change the discussion to one about my credibility. You know that's my weakness, and you hope people won't listen to me.