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Post Post #2900 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2017 7:22 pm

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In post 2847, Gorkington wrote:slysly
what do you make of 2600?
In post 2849, Siblings Quarrel wrote:@Sly - Your BTD read gave me a good chuckle. What are your thoughts on 2600 and 2601. You seem to scumread that hydra, and these posts made me and Frog townread them, so I'm interested to hear your take on them.
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Here's how 2600 hits me....

Classic Tywin monster wall post of convoluted crap, ironic this one's not from Tywin, that basically says, "WTF?! I can't be expected to have a good reads list, I've barely read any posts and the posts I have read have lead me to only kind of sort a handful, but out of that small handful I have 3 clear scumreads. I've conveniently color coded my naked vote red."
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Post Post #2901 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2017 7:22 pm

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Tywin: you've been harping on about multiball this whole time and you expect me to give a shit that my nullscum SR wagon is dissolving in favour of my SR? haha.
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Post Post #2902 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2017 7:25 pm

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Ok well I haven't been caught up since whatever page ended on Sunday. I go to work everyday, and don't have hours a day to read 30+ pages while in 4 separate games I'm also not caught up in. So I didn't know Maria was a replacement. That's why it's so ridiculous tobme that you or ali actually think I'd spend time isoing you to find some fake SR.

Ledit: sly all youve seen is one game, and most here have seen how I play as both alignments. If the best you have is wall posts, you have no reads at all.
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Post Post #2903 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2017 7:26 pm

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Damn phone. Whatever I already know I'm lynched here. Sly is scum so he won't be. Gonna go catch up on other games.
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Post Post #2904 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2017 7:26 pm

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In post 2899, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2896, Socrates wrote:White knifing.
1) It's white KNIGHTING
2) Who is wking whom?
Tywin's typo was amusing.
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Post Post #2905 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2017 7:27 pm

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In post 2898, Tywin Lannister wrote:I'm used to being ignored every game until I'm proven right like always. If I'm unsure, I admit it. I'm not unsure about Sly. Idk about others, except Sly and Insomniacs have had far too close of a pairing to be town. Those two I'm damn sure about. The rest of you idc about until sly flips.
i pointed out that i brought up SlySly because
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Post Post #2906 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2017 7:28 pm

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In post 2901, Not Chara wrote:Tywin: you've been harping on about multiball this whole time and you expect me to give a shit that my nullscum SR wagon is dissolving in favour of my SR? haha.
You don't have a case? All votes on me are naked. You're scum and know I've caught you, so I cant expect you to actually care to what I'm saying. You're obvious to me, but maybe I'll be listened to after I flip.
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Post Post #2907 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2017 7:30 pm

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In post 2902, Tywin Lannister wrote:Ok well I haven't been caught up since whatever page ended on Sunday. I go to work everyday, and don't have hours a day to read 30+ pages while in 4 separate games I'm also not caught up in. So I didn't know Maria was a replacement. That's why it's so ridiculous tobme that you or ali actually think I'd spend time isoing you to find some fake SR.

Ledit: sly all youve seen is one game, and most here have seen how I play as both alignments. If the best you have is wall posts, you have no reads at all.
guess who's not caught up either, it's Chara! guess who's been attempting to give you a chance if you're actually town here! also Chara.
when your reasons for SRing players are all based on bad information, and then you don't address it when that's brought to your attention (except now, to complain), you shouldn't expect anything else.
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Post Post #2908 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2017 7:30 pm

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In post 2906, Tywin Lannister wrote:
In post 2901, Not Chara wrote:Tywin: you've been harping on about multiball this whole time and you expect me to give a shit that my nullscum SR wagon is dissolving in favour of my SR? haha.
You don't have a case? All votes on me are naked. You're scum and know I've caught you, so I cant expect you to actually care to what I'm saying. You're obvious to me, but maybe I'll be listened to after I flip.
We are not in a court room. My case is you annoy the fuck out of me and are not on my list. You have the largest wagon.
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Post Post #2909 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2017 7:31 pm

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Lol @ sly daying im day rushing because im new (which would imply that its not even scummy) as well as the idea that the day is being rushed when it's at 100+ pages.

Wow what a rush we only discussed for 100 pages before lynching!!!

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Pedit: you're scumreading tywin for having irl stuff to do

What makes that more likely to be scum than people actually being scum?
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Post Post #2910 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2017 7:32 pm

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@Tywin the case on you has been out there for a while, so votes on you with no reassigning can be said to be agreeing with the points presented.
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Post Post #2911 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2017 7:32 pm

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In post 2905, Not Chara wrote:
In [url=https://forum.mafiascum%20we.net/viewtopic.php?p=9204125#p9204125]post 2898[/url], Tywin Lannister wrote:I'm used to being ignored every game until I'm proven right like always. If I'm unsure, I admit it. I'm not unsure about Sly. Idk about others, except Sly and Insomniacs have had far too close of a pairing to be town. Those two I'm damn sure about. The rest of you idc about until sly flips.
i pointed out that i brought up SlySly because
Doggo
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I keep saying that part is negligible. Gamma shot scum so you didn't push away from his wagon like I thought was scum motive. My read on you is largely based on how I read your town games, and this one has been different. You keep bringing up the doggo point while ignoring mine. If I had a legit case on you outside of my gut meta read, I'd be voting you. Regardless,you're not a TR and I think this whole sequence is posturing.

You're just trying to save your ass when I flip town and sly eventually flips scum.
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Post Post #2912 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2017 7:34 pm

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NC, can you explain to me how Tywin is different here from our last game? I got so mad at him.
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Post Post #2913 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2017 7:35 pm

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In post 2908, Titus wrote:
In post 2906, Tywin Lannister wrote:
In post 2901, Not Chara wrote:Tywin: you've been harping on about multiball this whole time and you expect me to give a shit that my nullscum SR wagon is dissolving in favour of my SR? haha.
You don't have a case? All votes on me are naked. You're scum and know I've caught you, so I cant expect you to actually care to what I'm saying. You're obvious to me, but maybe I'll be listened to after I flip.
We are not in a court room. My case is you annoy the fuck out of me and are not on my list. You have the largest wagon.
I'm glad I annoy you tbh. You always have shit reads when town. Like really bad. Like always wrong kinda deal. Always. You're good at scum since you finally use logic then. Aside from that, I don't view you as worth mentioning beyond that I think you don't know how to read players. Your list is shit btw. If the game could be solved with flavor than its bastard. That's trying to break the game, not actually play it.
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Post Post #2914 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2017 7:36 pm

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Post Post #2915 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2017 7:36 pm

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In post 2908, Titus wrote:
In post 2906, Tywin Lannister wrote:
In post 2901, Not Chara wrote:Tywin: you've been harping on about multiball this whole time and you expect me to give a shit that my nullscum SR wagon is dissolving in favour of my SR? haha.
You don't have a case? All votes on me are naked. You're scum and know I've caught you, so I cant expect you to actually care to what I'm saying. You're obvious to me, but maybe I'll be listened to after I flip.
We are not in a court room. My case is you annoy the fuck out of me and are not on my list. You have the largest wagon.
No he doesn't? And he didn't when you voted him?
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Post Post #2916 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2017 7:38 pm

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In post 2912, Socrates wrote:NC, can you explain to me how Tywin is different here from our last game? I got so mad at him.
mad at him in the last game?

here i'm not seeing stubborn Tywin who argues points over and over again, and wrestled with his scumread Majiffy for pages. at least, i wasn't seeing that with his read on me. but i'm trying to figure out if it's just the different game environment + not being caught up that's accounting for the differences. and i'm
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i was going to give him up for scum until he decided to continue posting after saying he would leave this game alone for a bit.
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Post Post #2917 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2017 7:40 pm

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In post 2911, Tywin Lannister wrote:I keep saying that part is negligible. Gamma shot scum so you didn't push away from his wagon like I thought was scum motive. My read on you is largely based on how I read your town games, and this one has been different. You keep bringing up the doggo point while ignoring mine. If I had a legit case on you outside of my gut meta read, I'd be voting you. Regardless,you're not a TR and I think this whole sequence is posturing.

You're just trying to save your ass when I flip town and sly eventually flips scum.
what point of yours am i ignoring? you just said your only point was a gut meta read.
why would i be scared of your flip? your position is terrible and i also want to flip Sly, you even said i was probably on a different team than Sly because of it. your narrative just looks like it's changing based on convenience.
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Post Post #2918 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2017 7:45 pm

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In post 2916, Not Chara wrote:
In post 2912, Socrates wrote:NC, can you explain to me how Tywin is different here from our last game? I got so mad at him.
mad at him in the last game?

here i'm not seeing stubborn Tywin who argues points over and over again, and wrestled with his scumread Majiffy for pages. at least, i wasn't seeing that with his read on me. but i'm trying to figure out if it's just the different game environment + not being caught up that's accounting for the differences. and i'm
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i was going to give him up for scum until he decided to continue posting after saying he would leave this game alone for a bit.
Fine if youre trying then what do you want me to respond to exactly? I'm not caught up and won't bother honestly,but Cerberus quoted the Nero shot and I read enough to see gamma did it. Past that, I have no idea what's happened since Sunday. I've posted a few times at work, but that's it.
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Post Post #2919 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2017 7:47 pm

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He also pulled out a scumread on me out of nowhere seemingly just because I indirectly hurt his feelings and then harped on that until it got under my skin. His scumread on you feels similar.
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Post Post #2920 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2017 7:50 pm

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In post 2917, Not Chara wrote:
In post 2911, Tywin Lannister wrote:I keep saying that part is negligible. Gamma shot scum so you didn't push away from his wagon like I thought was scum motive. My read on you is largely based on how I read your town games, and this one has been different. You keep bringing up the doggo point while ignoring mine. If I had a legit case on you outside of my gut meta read, I'd be voting you. Regardless,you're not a TR and I think this whole sequence is posturing.

You're just trying to save your ass when I flip town and sly eventually flips scum.
what point of yours am i ignoring? you just said your only point was a gut meta read.
why would i be scared of your flip? your position is terrible and i also want to flip Sly, you even said i was probably on a different team than Sly because of it. your narrative just looks like it's changing based on convenience.
Of course it's terrible. I got flash Wagoned with a shit ton of naked votes, there's no case to actually respond to, I know damn well I'm being double teamed by scum, nobody cares to really question it, and most have said shit like Titus or sly using 'annoyance' or 'wall posts' as a SR. It's garbage,but I'm not stupid enough to think I can swing this off me. I'm the easy mislynch precisely because I'm town, and not some random flavor Titus claims to care about outside of gaining info on who to NK. This is not a normal game environment, so there's not much I can do. Every townie can vote elsewhere and I could still probably be lynched if scum power through it.

Maybe you do want sly too, but he's not gonna get lynched for a reason. My push had none other than I called specific players out and apparently their team didn't like that very much.
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Post Post #2921 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2017 7:51 pm

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i don't know that much of the game either, honestly.
what i don't like from you is what you've said about Maria and how she's definitely not town, but when told you were wrong about the reasoning didn't hint that you were reconsidering the read, you just doubled down on it.
i dislike your claim that defending Alisae from that early wagon should make you town to him, when whiteknighting exists and it's day 1.

i don't like how you called me out specifically for my being on the SlySly wagon at the start (who you're also scumreading), then said the point was a minor one and that it's really a meta point that you haven't explained yet to my satisfaction. you say i'm supposed to care about wagon composition in multiball on day 1, that i'm a better player than this... all of these things are being leveled at you because you're not caught up, too. it's not like i'm caught up. i'm picking wagons i don't hate.

i can see how you could be town Tywin here but i don't appreciate being told i won't listen to someone because
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Post Post #2922 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2017 7:54 pm

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I would also like to contribute to the "anti-rushing" argument is that a lot of people need catch-up time. A lynch happening could produce more content or allow the people who haven't caught up to just dilly dally anyway. Just something I noticed that hasn't been spoken of a lot.
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Post Post #2923 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2017 7:55 pm

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In post 2845, SlySly wrote: Gamma (Gamma knew he was the dayvig before the rest of us. When I voted him, he called bs on my vote because he thought it was random. When I told him to go flip the coin I posted and tell me how many times it took him to get it to land on tails, I'm sure he picked up on the sarcastic shot that my statement was and I'm sure his finger itched on his dayvig gun, but he didn't pull the trigger. After dayvig of Nero, if Gamma was opposing scum to Nero and listening to those reaching to try and tie me to Nero, he would have gladly and easily lead the charge to lynch me while I was away from the thread. Because he didn't dayvig me when I pushed him and he also went beyond the call of duty and insisted repeatedly that everyone wait for me to return, Gamma's either town or my scumbuddy on the scum team opposing Nero.)
Maybe I'm misunderstanding this here but it seems like your apparently strong town read of Gamma comes from the facts that he A. Didn't immediately shoot you because he was annoyed, and B. Wanted to be a reasonable person and wait for you to claim?
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Post Post #2924 (ISO) » Wed May 10, 2017 8:10 pm

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In post 2921, Not Chara wrote:i don't know that much of the game either, honestly.
what i don't like from you is what you've said about Maria and how she's definitely not town, but when told you were wrong about the reasoning didn't hint that you were reconsidering the read, you just doubled down on it.
i dislike your claim that defending Alisae from that early wagon should make you town to him, when whiteknighting exists and it's day 1.

i don't like how you called me out specifically for my being on the SlySly wagon at the start (who you're also scumreading), then said the point was a minor one and that it's really a meta point that you haven't explained yet to my satisfaction. you say i'm supposed to care about wagon composition in multiball on day 1, that i'm a better player than this... all of these things are being leveled at you because you're not caught up, too. it's not like i'm caught up. i'm picking wagons i don't hate.

i can see how you could be town Tywin here but i don't appreciate being told i won't listen to someone because
they're
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Fine. Maria I've said was a SR because she came out of nowhere (apparently a replacement I missed) to claim 'tywin is scum' over and over while never providing a reason. She just kept repeating it. My view is omgusy true, and mostly gut, but it looks to me like scum joining their teams prefered lynch. If I was scum, who are my buddies? Who is defending me at all? Why would I be flash Wagoned? What's the case on me? None of this has been answered by maria, and you still haven't said why you TR them. Fine, they're a replacement. What point did you make that says they're town? What makes you think they cant be scum? Am I sure about it? No. I'm doubling down because they haven't responded to anything I've said. It's all deflection back on me, and frankly, I think she's been chainsawing for sly. I was the first to mention sly, but then I became some huge SR for it. Isn't that odd.

Town Maria acts differently and I get tells from her when she does it. You should know when I get town tells I'll defend the player regardless. When I get scum tells, I go after them regardless. That's how I play.

Idc what Ali thinks except that I proved them wrong on their reasoning for SRing me. They said I go with the flow and play it by ear, except me defending them when they were the largest wagon by far is counter to that point. Their reasons are wrong and I stated why. Past that idc. Ali SRs me every game until it's proven I was right about a SR. Its literally an every game thing. I didn't say that should make me town though, so why are you?

I called you out on the sly wagon when I thought gamma was scum too. Pretty obvious since I said it that way. I thought you pushed off gamma into sly as a counter, and I viewed the doggo exchange as awkward. It looked planned. If doggo said sly before you, then I was wrong, but I don't remember that happening. That point doesn't matter now anyways. My SR on you has been based on how you've played until literally right now interacting with me. You have lurked and done a lot of nothing it seems, when usually I look for you and your reads in games. I do the same with almost, and I SR him for it too. You're both playing differently than I know you do as town. You've only switched styles recently interacting with me. Why?

If nobody is caught up then what's the point. Idk who could be at this rate anyways, so may be that explains your playstyle difference. Regardless, that's why I had the meta read.
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