I think anyone who today undertakes a meta dive on me will see clearly that lurking out is not my normal scum game or my normal town game, but certainly not my scum game
There seems to be consensus that my reads are terrible. That could be. I don't have time to dig into it again tho
Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:35 pm
by Dunnstral
Are you going to vote for Saladman, since their wagon has the most support aside from your own, or are you going to go elsewhere? When can we expect to see a vote from you today?
Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:14 pm
by teacher
In post 2882, Dunnstral wrote:teacher, what was with the unvote? Are you just trying to slow the day down or what?
Skitter asked for an unvote saying it was L-1, and I didnt have time to check but didnt mind slowing down the day.
@DP, you can figure your questions out using your general way to assess as instructed.
I actually found this interesting. Scum (presumably) killed Sho, out of fear she was really a cop.
Sho had said she was going to investigate Nero in 2604. (WIFOM this all you want -- Im right there with you).
Today, the vast majority of the town!flubber lynch wagon comes together on URAP rather rapidly, and the one of the two off (Nero) has certainly expressed interest/willingness to go there as well.
I actually could grok URAP's reads -- other than the fact that the scum reads on only 2 are lazy, and that he went off wagon for the most likely third scum (Skitter). Looking over normals, there are typically two+ scum on town lynch wagons. But I dont think the reads are necessarily scum!indicative, especially the willingness to reexamine DP.
Here's what I need help with right now, to sort my day: getting a nero townread. Like I liked their early game, but they got "lazy" and demotivated over the course of the game. I also thought they had some of the ate effort to avoid the lynch that Nom criticized in Shoshin.
Of course, today (for me) they are back motivated but pushing town. Finally, I also am still VERY town on Skitter, town on DP, and townlean on Cinnamon.
Those are my difficulties with townreading Nero. But I do agree the NK points towards town!nero, even with all the wifom on that.
If I can get help sorting Nero, I can better assess the wagonomics. Can anybody help?
Dunn is scumlean cause he still SRs vork despite that we established that vork is annoying but genuine, which is why vork is town. Sorry for the late response, I was commuting.
Salad, can you update this? And this time pick more than one scum read? And then case two of them with explanations?
Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:59 pm
by Saladman27
From most scummy to least, Urap, Dunn, DP. I’m gonna get into reasons later, kind of busy.
Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:23 pm
by Dunnstral
teacher, it sure sounds like you're playing interception for u r a person 2 right now - I thought you were fine with this lynch?
Bringing up that Vorkuta and I are voting the same thing as me isn't the magic bullet that you guys think it is -- simple answer is I don't really care what he's voting, I'm willing to entertain multiple different options, some of which include Vorkuta as town, and I'm not making pre-flip assumptions, or ruling out bussing, etc.
Saladman, for someone who supposedly scumreads me, you sure agreed to roleclaim based off of what I was saying quickly. This feels like a slip in perspective here... how can you think I'm the 2nd scummiest person in the game, yet claim due to my prompting when you had 2 votes on you? Mind you, if you're town it was beneficial for you to claim there - but can I get your though process?
Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 7:31 pm
by Saladman27
In post 2907, Dunnstral wrote:Saladman, for someone who supposedly scumreads me, you sure agreed to roleclaim based off of what I was saying quickly. This feels like a slip in perspective here... how can you think I'm the 2nd scummiest person in the game, yet claim due to my prompting when you had 2 votes on you? Mind you, if you're town it was beneficial for you to claim there - but can I get your though process?
Nero here. Consider me v/la for the next two days. Not sure if I like either urap or salad lynches but will get back to you when I have pc access to. Phone posting is ass.
In post 2805, Cinnamon wrote:I'm beginning to think the wagons yesterday were TvT; my reasons for scumreading Nero were pretty meh as well. I'd be looking at Dunn, salad, or urap for a lynch today.
Are you still browsing or what, by the way? There are votes on Urap, salad, and me
For a few reasons I've been generally less active the past couple days, I haven't caught up until now.
VOTE: salad
I'm not sold on the idea that's going around of bad reads from urap --> scum urap. I think it's very possible he just doesn't have the time to reevaluate the game right now. On the other hand, I find salad's play here very easy to do as scum and his actions haven't been very helpful for town and are likely to continue this way. A major difference for me is that I think urap will be easier to figure out later in the game than saladman.
Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 8:02 pm
by Dunnstral
In post 2914, Cinnamon wrote:I'm not sold on the idea that's going around of bad reads from urap --> scum urap. I think it's very possible he just doesn't have the time to reevaluate the game right now.
I don't think that's the extend of why people are voting him, though? And you scumread him before this got brought up... what did you scumread him for earlier, in 2805?
In post 2914, Cinnamon wrote:I'm not sold on the idea that's going around of bad reads from urap --> scum urap. I think it's very possible he just doesn't have the time to reevaluate the game right now.
I don't think that's the extend of why people are voting him, though? And you scumread him before this got brought up... what did you scumread him for earlier, in 2805?
Right but that is why I think salad and urap are similarly scummy in my eyes and since they're similarly scummy I'd rather a salad lynch. I'll look back tomorrow to remember why I was scumreading urap day 1.
Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:05 pm
by Dunnstral
In post 2917, Cinnamon wrote:and since they're similarly scummy I'd rather a salad lynch. I'll look back tomorrow to remember why I was scumreading urap day 1.
So... why salad over urap?
Posted: Tue Jun 25, 2019 10:09 pm
by Dunnstral
Because, again, you look like yet another person to sort of trip over yourself and make up reasons not to vote u r a person 2 here
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:14 am
by teacher
In post 2914, Cinnamon wrote:I'm not sold on the idea that's going around of bad reads from urap --> scum urap. I think it's very possible he just doesn't have the time to reevaluate the game right now.
Why are his reads bad? Like you put this idea on others (“idea that’s going around”) - do you agree? If so, where do you think he’s wrong, and why? If you don’t agree, why do do you think he needs to reevaluate? This read weird to me.
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 12:19 am
by teacher
In post 2907, Dunnstral wrote:teacher, it sure sounds like you're playing interception for u r a person 2 right now - I thought you were fine with this lynch?
Bringing up that Vorkuta and I are voting the same thing as me isn't the magic bullet that you guys think it is
I’m fine with a urap lynch- I don’t have a strong read there. I was excited because of his position on The early town!Deanius wagon, stronger feelings on DP, and some of the weirdness of him not taking off yesterday. But I’m no longer chomping at the bit due to the late recognized wagonomics and the speed/ease with which that took off today. (The one aside I have on both URaP wagons I have noticed is that both times it felt like Skitter pushed and derailed, though I played a role in that both times as well)
Right now, I need help sorting Nero. Why did you ignore that, which was the thrust of my post? Can you help there?
What do you think about the dumbtell theory though?
Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:20 am
by skitter30
In post 2901, u r a person 2 wrote:I think anyone who today undertakes a meta dive on me will see clearly that lurking out is not my normal scum game or my normal town game, but certainly not my scum game
There seems to be consensus that my reads are terrible. That could be. I don't have time to dig into it again tho
No offense but ur reads arent just bad in like this gamestate specifically - i think they're just ... objectively bad
