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In post 2897, skitter30 wrote:Well at least we now know jingle/tw are prob not aligned

In post 2612, northsidegal wrote:Anyways, on the subject of why I'm not a fan of Bingle's posting beginning around 2410:

This is his readlist starting at post 2221:

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In post 2221, Bingle wrote:DrDolittle

Nibbui

skitter30
Wickedestjr
Almost50

NorwegianboyEE
Menalque

Emperor flippyNips

northsidegal

the worst
skitter30

teacher
Egix96

This is roughly where I'm at, btw. Yes, I'm aware skitter shows up twice. Orders within groupings are pretty loose, tbh.

Take particular note of the bottom of the list, starting at the worst down.

Then, starting at 2410, we have questioning and the pursual of perceived contradictions from the worst, consistent with his previously stated reads:

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In post 2412, Bingle wrote:Why do you trust the communal PoE then?

Aren't you worried that other people have reads you disagree with? If you aren't, why aren't you adopting those reads?

In post 2414, Bingle wrote:Alright, what is the communal PoE in your opinion?

In post 2418, Bingle wrote:So the communal PoE is ~50% of the playerlist, you're in it, and you have suspects outside of it and it's pretty good in your opinion?

:thorface:

In post 2426, Bingle wrote:

In post 2419, Wooper wrote:I have suspects outside it?

Your suspect pool includes Egix/NSG/Emps. The group consensus contains 2.5 of those according to you. I don't see how being concerned about you being unconcerned about that is fishing.

However, 2426 is where things become notable to me:

In post 2456, Bingle wrote:Is wooper high priority? I've never seen him be especially good at scum. Also, I think his likeliest partner is skitter, so...

This kind of downplaying of the worst's ability as scum seems strange to me. Granted, off of the top of my head I can't say that I have hard evidence to indicate that bingle is directly contradicting any of his previously stated views regarding the worst's ability, but my general impression was that most people on the site would consider him in the upper echelon of scum players. I believe it stands to reason, then, that what he's doing here serves some sort of larger purpose, and this is where I begin to see your point that they may have partner equity. It's perhaps an obvious (generic, even) conclusion to come to that by designating the worst as a "lower priority" scum target, he may excusably be kept alive until later days while other targets are lynched.

And, indeed, strangely enough just a few posts later in his ISO we see not only a divergence from the worst, but also from his previously stated second highest scumread:

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In post 2465, Bingle wrote:

In post 2194, skitter30 wrote:

In post 2182, Bingle wrote:It did.

I guess my issue with the posts from teacher isn't so much the inaccuracy of what he's saying as the excessive pedantry. Technically, his grammatical parsing of what was said is correct, but it's also meaningless as it sidesteps addressing the message.

This is like the first thing that you've said that i've agreed with all game i think

Roughly this, but pretty much everyone and their mother was saying teacher was scummy beforehand and I've never gotten an answer as to why.

To be clear, if my understanding of this post is correct, Bingle is quoting his previously stated reason for teacher being scum while simultaneously calling into question other people's reasons. That's obviously a biased way of phrasing it but I don't think it's entirely inaccurate.

So we're at a point where Bingle is somewhat indirectly downplaying the scumminess of some of his top scumreads. Immediately after this, he says that he "could be convinced" on A50 scum and then, without much convincing (by my reading), he joins the wagon alongside his previous second highest scumread while also expressing reservations about lynching the worst.

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In post 2466, Bingle wrote:

In post 2463, Menalque wrote:Teacher can I interest you in a monkey lynch today?

I could maybe be convinced. What's your issue with him?

In post 2469, Menalque wrote:VOTE: A50

@bingle currently making dinner but I’ll get an argument up for him later

In post 2471, teacher wrote:No offense taken. In fact that’s what I called out - like I don’t know all that many people on the list but skit should certainly not see that as scum indicative, yet voted? That was weirder than anything else after the dark ran and you experience in 1951.

VOTE: a50

In post 2473, Bingle wrote:Fuckit. This feels towndriven, and I have major reservations about lynching the water-duck.

VOTE: A50

Still want that case, btw, Mena.

In post 2820, northsidegal wrote:i eagerly await the next post you make subtly calling into question my critical thinking skills

In post 2570, Wickedestjr wrote:

In post 2456, Bingle wrote:Is wooper high priority? I've never seen him be especially good at scum.

Can't recall if you explained this in depth. What aspect of his play here struck you as being beyond his scum-capability?

In post 2910, Wickedestjr wrote:I like the point Volpe makes here. skitter, why do you think Bingle tries to 1v1 you if he's scum?

In post 2910, Wickedestjr wrote:I like the point Volpe makes here. skitter, why do you think Bingle tries to 1v1 you if he's scum?

In post 2914, skitter30 wrote:

In post 2910, Wickedestjr wrote:I like the point Volpe makes here. skitter, why do you think Bingle tries to 1v1 you if he's scum?

Idk
Not really sure what he gets out of it as either alignment, i'm p sure he can read the gamestate well enough to know it isnt going to go that far
It reads like bravado

In post 2912, Wooper wrote:

In post 2910, Wickedestjr wrote:I like the point Volpe makes here. skitter, why do you think Bingle tries to 1v1 you if he's scum?

because skitter is never being lynched
it's a dumb false dichotomy and he knows it
this isn't remotely alignment indicative and if anyone town is eating this up as AI they have no respect for bungle's scumgame.

In post 2917, Wooper wrote:

wrong pokemon but this is very cute

In post 2918, Wickedestjr wrote:I agree that it's weird regardless of his alignment. Personally, I can't recall ever seeing scum exhibit 'bravado' in a game, though. Have you seen that? (Wooper you can answer this too)

In post 2920, skitter30 wrote:I feel like scum do the bravado-y thing all the time

In post 2911, Wickedestjr wrote:Bingle, can you answer this?

In post 2570, Wickedestjr wrote:

In post 2456, Bingle wrote:Is wooper high priority? I've never seen him be especially good at scum.

Can't recall if you explained this in depth. What aspect of his play here struck you as being beyond his scum-capability?

In post 2920, skitter30 wrote:I feel like scum do the bravado-y thing all the time