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Post Post #2900 (ISO) » Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:59 pm

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In post 2896, BBmolla wrote:Setups are hard to balance. I do believe setups were more scum sided and were over correcting a little now.

This setup wasn’t too bad. Picture the game of the vig shot missed.
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Post Post #2901 (ISO) » Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:59 pm

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I'd imagine normals being closed setups gives slight scum advantage so is it in response to that?

I don't know jack about balancing a game.
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Post Post #2902 (ISO) » Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:59 pm

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In post 2875, popsofctown wrote:It was frustrating that A50 went into all that toxic shit about me being terrible when I mostly wanted any D3 lynch that didn't require me to fullclaim with my innocent on Frank, and wanted to hurry to this phase where it was probably over, my terribly inaccurate scumread was just a nullread.

But I realize it is probably more about how A50 views me than the situation and he'll probably be like that to me again sometime, whatever
what a fucktarded setup
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Post Post #2903 (ISO) » Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:59 pm

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lol @ that pic from gobble
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Post Post #2904 (ISO) » Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:59 pm

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oops didnt mean to quote that
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Post Post #2905 (ISO) » Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:00 pm

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In post 2899, popsofctown wrote:I really hate the setup spec and strong-in-a-boring-way roles of normal queue and almost never play normal queue, but Menalque was moderator for this game so I joined it to attempt to cause menalquesmiles
to be fair, this was definitely the most interesting normal game I've played in thus far, so there's that!
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Post Post #2906 (ISO) » Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:00 pm

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so paranoia over pops was correct and frank was scum, cool
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Post Post #2907 (ISO) » Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:00 pm

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rb, penguin was scum, pops and I were trolling.
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Post Post #2908 (ISO) » Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:00 pm

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In post 2901, Frank wrote:I'd imagine normals being closed setups gives slight scum advantage so is it in response to that?

I don't know jack about balancing a game.
You know, I never considered that, but yeah you're probably right. They know roughly what type of game/roles to expect
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Post Post #2909 (ISO) » Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:01 pm

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I am hoping to join the NRG because imo the standard is townsided games atm

I would be interested in hearing what everyone thought of setup and modding

There is some discussion in dead thread, and there were certainly some oversights: for instanced I thought that 1shot vig would be strongly incentivised to stay quiet to maximise the odds of shooting scum later in the game — I didn’t consider the possibility of them outing D1 as likely, which in turn made the psychologist more powerful
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Post Post #2910 (ISO) » Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:01 pm

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time to go fuckin' bang my skull on some concrete over how mystifyingly shit people can make setups in the name of BUT OtS so CooL brO
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Post Post #2911 (ISO) » Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:01 pm

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rb you're my goomblet we were town together, we were starcrossed PRs, you were "guilties people when all the scums are alive" and I was "guilties people when 1 scum is alive"
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"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"
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Post Post #2912 (ISO) » Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:02 pm

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In post 2910, rb wrote:time to go fuckin' bang my skull on some concrete over how mystifyingly shit people can make setups in the name of BUT OtS so CooL brO
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Post Post #2913 (ISO) » Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:02 pm

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In post 2909, Menalque wrote:I am hoping to join the NRG because imo the standard is townsided games atm

I would be interested in hearing what everyone thought of setup and modding

There is some discussion in dead thread, and there were certainly some oversights: for instanced I thought that 1shot vig would be strongly incentivised to stay quiet to maximise the odds of shooting scum later in the game — I didn’t consider the possibility of them outing D1 as likely, which in turn made the psychologist more powerful
I mean I’m not upset

I wonder how PP feels tho lmao
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Post Post #2914 (ISO) » Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:03 pm

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Novice 1 shot vig might have been cool, that's considered normal
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Post Post #2915 (ISO) » Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:03 pm

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yeah town won purely on mechanics

and 6-7 town players played like pop and rewarded by the setup
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Post Post #2916 (ISO) » Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:03 pm

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In post 2879, popsofctown wrote:Ok I luv u Menalque and I disagree lots with your reviewers.
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This was a very great success! (Wrt menalquesmiles being caused)
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Post Post #2917 (ISO) » Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:04 pm

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In post 2915, rb wrote:yeah town won purely on mechanics

and 6-7 town players played like pop and rewarded by the setup
Your go-to phrase that means "played town bad" is playing like me? :((((((
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Post Post #2918 (ISO) » Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:04 pm

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In post 2914, popsofctown wrote:Novice 1 shot vig might have been cool, that's considered normal
Someone else said this and I agree, I missed the novice modifier while designing
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Post Post #2919 (ISO) » Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:04 pm

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pop = poo* hehehe

yes salty that putting effort into mafia is a waste of time when the setups are this cooked
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Post Post #2920 (ISO) » Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:04 pm

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I will say that I appreciate the time and energy that the NRG put into the normal queue. It is literally a thankless job and it is also fairly labor intensive reading over role pms, rules, and setup design.

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Post Post #2921 (ISO) » Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:05 pm

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In post 2910, rb wrote:time to go fuckin' bang my skull on some concrete over how mystifyingly shit people can make setups in the name of BUT OtS so CooL brO
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Post Post #2922 (ISO) » Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:06 pm

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I don't volunteer for NRG because I don't play normals enough
the normals aren't redsided enough for me to be interested in playing them because I don't volunteer to be in NRG
It's a vicious cycle!
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Post Post #2923 (ISO) » Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:07 pm

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In post 2909, Menalque wrote:I am hoping to join the NRG because imo the standard is townsided games atm
What are the reqs to get into the nRG? I actually want to join too, but my setups are all batty

like RB would definitely not want to join one of my pre-reviewed games :shifty:
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Post Post #2924 (ISO) » Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:07 pm

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Fmpov it would have been balanced without motion detector given how it played out:

Town absolutely deserved to have 2 scum down by the end of D2 imo, but also deserved to struggle through for not having a healthy enough scepticism towards PP’s claim
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