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In post 2899, Best Bird wrote:I guess you had to be there...

I'm taking this pagetop for that

I hate you

Well there goes one problem

I want lilith (jk target) and n_m early in the massclaim order

In post 2906, Infinity 324 wrote:Well there goes one problem

kind of a weird way to open

I don’t think you’d be saying that if you knew the rollercoaster I went through over the night phase. I wrote up a whole case on skitter and eventually decided it was bad.

welp, i'm lost again.

back to the drawing board.

also, lilith should claim her action first before we massclaim. we can quibble about the order while we wait.

i was thinking we should actually do a massclaim minus doctor (if there is one, they claim VT), because if we can get one or two confirmed-town or prob-town, it may be more useful to have the doc hidden to disrupt scum's ability to weasel out of the endgame PoE. scum then have the guess amongst the VT's to execute the correct sequence of town power at the risk of no-killing.

seems like the correct play to me given we potentially have multiple cop investigations.

Maybe? I feel like the doc claim could really help solve things, though I suppose if the doc/n1 target gets wagoned they can just claim. If there’s no doc we have to talk about if mena is scum or why scum tried to kill him n1. Idk.

In post 2912, Infinity 324 wrote:Maybe? I feel like the doc claim could really help solve things, though I suppose if the doc/n1 target gets wagoned they can just claim. If there’s no doc we have to talk about if mena is scum or why scum tried to kill him n1. Idk.

yes, the doc being outed will make it easier for the collective hivemind solving capacity, but if we shake out multiple innocents, we may be able to solve the game while keeping it hidden. obviously the doc can also claim if it gets wagoned.

maybe we can do a massclaim minus doc, then the town collectively decides if doc should claim based on what info shakes out?

Sounds good.

I don’t think we massclaim today, it’s still not lylo

i think it's far more preferable to have claims today

i want people to be forced into claims now that we can potentially deduce something from, rather than claiming what's convenient on lylo.

Uh

I’m not sure that’s true because I think if an invest has a useful result it’s better they out and then maybe we massclaim

If we don’t have that then if it turns out we only have one invest it’s probably better tomorrow

Also, given that we’re still a day away, I don’t trust PRs not to falsely claim VT today to avoid targeting

i would really strongly distrust a cop claim on lylo

If the person arguing against a massclaim is the soft guilty...

I'm only a soft guilty if lilith is town

also I've already claimed

also we have like 6 and a half days and we're not forgoing all day play to get into a back and forth about massclaim

masjclaim today is, I think, quite strongly suboptimal even as it clears up one or two things -- things it doesn't help solve are, for instance, if we have a Doc, who did they prob!clear with their action on N1? because the doc obviously /shouldn't/ claim, so we don't get that info

if we wagon someone other than Lilith today, then we get a claim from them if they're PR, but otherwise they don't have to out it if they are

and also we're only in lylo tomorrow if we misguillo today, which is why the focus needs to be on hitting scum today, not worrying about which day we massclaim on (also, hopefully any claims have either crumbed and/or have a clear and logical explanation of why their claim is true à la skitter's style)

so basically there's every reason for scum to want claims today to finish figuring out the setup, which I guarantee they're already doing and are probably mostly finished with, and relatively little upside for town other than "if we miss today, people are locked into claims and I won't be as paranoid about certain claims" -- and people AREN'T even locked into claims, because there are good incentives for everyone to lie in a pre-lylo massclaim