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Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:25 am
by Noraa
Either Vax is SCUM and scum killed flea to make the PGO claim seem real.
Or Vax is town and scum kill didn't go thru(I don't believe scum ever no kill here) In this case Guillo is scum.

One of {guillo, vax} is scum. We should be limming in this pool today.

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:27 am
by Marky Mark
In post 2900, Noraa wrote:Either Vax is SCUM and scum killed flea to make the PGO claim seem real.
Or Vax is town and scum kill didn't go thru(I don't believe scum ever no kill here) In this case Guillo is scum.

One of {guillo, vax} is scum. We should be limming in this pool today.
This isn't 100% true because if DGB scum then they could have lied about rbing guillo and the scum could've just submitted no-kill or cross-killed flea.

I agree that it seems a less-likely scenario, but not impossible

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:29 am
by Noraa
I think if vax is town, something definitely happened to the nk. Either a secret protective, masons, or DGB.

If DGB is lying, then protective or masons.

Scum don't no kill here imo.

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:31 am
by Marky Mark
In post 2902, Noraa wrote:I think if vax is town, something definitely happened to the nk. Either a secret protective, masons, or DGB.

If DGB is lying, then protective or masons.

Scum don't no kill here imo.
I agree it seems unlikely and sub-optimal, but it is still possible.

I think the optimal townplay here is vote in Vax/G and play this game at face value, at least in the short term. If scum want to turn down kills on PRs then we can have some free investigations, and get closer to a mechanical solve

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:32 am
by MathBlade
In post 2903, Marky Mark wrote:
In post 2902, Noraa wrote:I think if vax is town, something definitely happened to the nk. Either a secret protective, masons, or DGB.

If DGB is lying, then protective or masons.

Scum don't no kill here imo.
I agree it seems unlikely and sub-optimal, but it is still possible.

I think the optimal townplay here is vote in Vax/G and play this game at face value, at least in the short term. If scum want to turn down kills on PRs then we can have some free investigations, and get closer to a mechanical solve
Then it would be Vax in that as G would be unlikely to do the kill.

I just don’t scumread him and I scumread G a lot more

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:34 am
by Infinity 324
In post 2892, Marky Mark wrote:
In post 2850, MathBlade wrote:My exact theory is DGB is roleblock ing scum who bussed
Noraa is ninja
And if 4 scum to balance power G is second goon
How do you explain the single kill last night then, given the PGO? Are you thinking that scum no-killed here to frame G? Seems odd to turn down a free kill on a mason+ just to maaaaybe frame someone
VOTE: vax I feel like this is better.

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:35 am
by Marky Mark
In post 2904, MathBlade wrote: Then it would be Vax in that as G would be unlikely to do the kill.
Why would G be unlikely to do the kill? I've just checked DGB's ISO and she does not mention her intended target for last night anywhere

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:40 am
by MathBlade
In post 2906, Marky Mark wrote:
In post 2904, MathBlade wrote: Then it would be Vax in that as G would be unlikely to do the kill.
Why would G be unlikely to do the kill? I've just checked DGB's ISO and she does not mention her intended target for last night anywhere
1) They’re vanilla
2) I suggested G be blocked in thread.

I don’t think scum have two goons against what we know. I just don’t.

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:47 am
by Momrangal
VOTE: Vax

I think we go here

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:52 am
by Marky Mark
PGO is a bit of a random fakeclaim for scum though I would have thought? Like you could so easily dig yourself a hole if people call your bluff (like here)

I'm gonna call it a night there, but if there is a clear consensus to lim vax over G then I will support that

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:53 am
by Infinity 324
People probably aren't going to call you bluff most of the time.

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 11:03 am
by MathBlade
If I have to pick I pick Vax but I still stand by this is ugly.

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 11:10 am
by JacksonVirgo
I skimmed the thread. Motion Detect clear on Noraa can possibly clear them if Vax is scum.
DGB result is semi-useless although the Role Cop is probably the more useful of the two. Your claims are weaker than I thought it would be I have no idea why you’re thinking scum likely has 2 PRs.

Also ninja for a motion detector is almost never a thing, motion detector is weak as is

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 11:10 am
by JacksonVirgo
In post 2911, MathBlade wrote:If I have to pick I pick Vax but I still stand by this is ugly.
If they’re town just flex on your omega town reading skills

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 11:35 am
by MathBlade
I don’t get whatever you all are saying two goons is fine
When it’s not even fine in the newbie queue.

I will hammer Vax if it comes down to it.

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 12:58 pm
by Guillotina
In post 2893, Noraa wrote:I wish I was a vig :(
Me too, I would have shot you so long ago.

Wait...Let's try something!

Oh dear camper gods! Send me a trapper role! or an ITA Shot! I beg of you to bless me with a kill action so I can kill scum!

I promise! I pinky promise I will shoot that scheming bear who goes by the name of Noraa!

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 1:02 pm
by Guillotina
Still don't get why town would get a role cop instead of an alignment cop ability.

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 1:04 pm
by Guillotina
Oooooh Never mind, maybe this is how Nero Cain proves to me that role cops are possible for town alignments.

We discussed about this in another game where I told him that role cops were always scum aligned and that town alignments would get alignment cops almost 100% of the time.

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 1:06 pm
by Guillotina
VOTE: Vaxkiller

Since Noraa is not happening

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 1:10 pm
by Noraa
In post 2912, JacksonVirgo wrote:I skimmed the thread. Motion Detect clear on Noraa can possibly clear them if Vax is scum.
DGB result is semi-useless although the Role Cop is probably the more useful of the two. Your claims are weaker than I thought it would be I have no idea why you’re thinking scum likely has 2 PRs.

Also ninja for a motion detector is almost never a thing, motion detector is weak as is
Oh md claimed?
wiki says ninja for watcher.

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 1:11 pm
by Noraa
In post 2915, Guillotina wrote:
In post 2893, Noraa wrote:I wish I was a vig :(
Me too, I would have shot you so long ago.

Wait...Let's try something!

Oh dear camper gods! Send me a trapper role! or an ITA Shot! I beg of you to bless me with a kill action so I can kill scum!

I promise! I pinky promise I will shoot that scheming bear who goes by the name of Noraa!
I would've shot u night 1 if I were vig

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 1:11 pm
by Noraa
In post 2918, Guillotina wrote:VOTE: Vaxkiller

Too save my scummy ass
I helped u fix some typos

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 1:26 pm
by JacksonVirgo
In post 2914, MathBlade wrote:I don’t get whatever you all are saying two goons is fine
When it’s not even fine in the newbie queue.

I will hammer Vax if it comes down to it.
Newbie has 2 scum, no anti-town roles.

We have likely 3+ scum and two negative utility claims plus one mediocre invest and one decent. We are not as stacked as you think

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 1:33 pm
by Guillotina
In post 2920, Noraa wrote:
In post 2915, Guillotina wrote:
In post 2893, Noraa wrote:I wish I was a vig :(
Me too, I would have shot you so long ago.

Wait...Let's try something!

Oh dear camper gods! Send me a trapper role! or an ITA Shot! I beg of you to bless me with a kill action so I can kill scum!

I promise! I pinky promise I will shoot that scheming bear who goes by the name of Noraa!
I would've shot u night 1 if I were vig
Maybe you did and I got protected, hence the no factional kill.

Scum in this game suck, they can't even kill right.

Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 1:35 pm
by MathBlade
Please avoid neon I can’t read it