Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2021 10:26 am
cool story.
They're just feelingsIn post 2313, Datisi wrote:my name is 6 letters please it's not that difficult i promiseIn post 2302, Dunnstral wrote: Andres, mom, Datsi feel town
also you explain any of these?
the joke here is that the amount of times this has happened is zero.In post 2304, Cookie Monster wrote:every time I try and do something
cookie if you're town can you please start actually working with us? you've had plenty questions thrown your way.
Do you usually not look at the vote count when you vote? You didn't have a sense that midway was getting close to being yeeted?In post 2729, Momrangal wrote:I mean I didn't even realize it was the hammer but that doesn't matter.
I don't want to get into setup speculation too much, but we had a cop/doc combo this game, even if they were nerfed a bit. That's a good deal of town power. Unfortunately, the dice roll was strongly against town this game.In post 2772, Andresvmb wrote:I had maxwell in my earlier solve. But I think Town is somewhat underpowered without what I think their role is, which is why I’m thinking they’re somewhat clear.In post 2768, VP Baltar wrote:I'm not sold on maxwell and GC being town.
This is kind of a wrong take I think. As scum, you never want to claim you can guarantee the alignment of a buddy. If you or that person ever flip, then it becomes a 2-for-1 situation.In post 2785, RLotus wrote:If maxwell and GC are partners I think maxwell's play doesn't make sense. For one, maxwell only said he can confirm GC as neighborizer and not his alignment, which in no way clears him, so even if GC was in danger (which I don't think he was in immediate danger) that play from Maxwell is not guaranteed to save him. Furthermore, if GC and maxwell are both indeed fake, then surely there is at least one more PR or even two. If that/those PRs claim, then things get messy for them.
Having done a little more rereading, the hammer is definitely bad. I'm still going back over your fight with mom, so Ill see if she addresses this more specifically there.In post 2790, Andresvmb wrote:@VPB can you give me some thoughts on Momrangal? Am I seeing ghosts there? I argued with midwaybear that they were unlikely to be Scum because they didn’t have any defenders basically, and that they’re positioning didn’t make sense because they were attacking all of the more vocal slots. It’s not directly the case with Momrangal, but it’s a slight variation of this. However, I really do think that Momrangal is way off about me. And midwaybear did backtrack, unvoting VPB for example. Momrangal seems to be doubling down. What do you think?
lol, wish we would have yeeted Dunn on D1.In post 2826, Andresvmb wrote:You know what I think? I think we’ve given too many of the quieter slots too much leeway to behave in the way that they have.
At this stage, I want an execution in {Momrangal, DGB, Dunn}. If for whatever reason all of us have just been off and are overly paranoid about each other (and I mean RLotus, VPB, Datisi, Me), and we’re actually Town here, we need to punish the slots that are also still ending up on Town. I would like to start with Momrangal, who very clearly had a Scummy vote last night and has a perspective that doesn’t make any sense to me, and they conveniently refuse to update.
I think we should revisit this and all the wagons here soon. Some VC analysis can't hurt in seeing who is where as things are peaking.In post 2832, Andresvmb wrote:I still believe that Dunn isn’t going to flip Scum because of how the votes piled up
Yep, this is basically what I was getting at earlier today when I said I felt like GC might not be town.In post 2838, Andresvmb wrote:RTP, voted for Dunn in the early part of D2 which I have been pointing is a slight rehash of D1.In post 2835, Andresvmb wrote:Green Crayons has a lot of votes on Town actually. Cookie Monster, obviously midwaybear.
Looking at this again, dude, I was not a "driving force" on RTP. I stepped in to call RTP town when BM was losing his shit and RTP was calling me scum.In post 2887, RLotus wrote:I was referring to VD, midway, RTP, and Cookie Monster. As VPB stated it may be a bit of an exaggeration to call them a driving force on VD, but you get the gist.In post 2881, Green Crayons wrote:is "driving force" something more than just votes from VD elimination?In post 2821, RLotus wrote:Compare that to yourself and Datisi who were driving forces inevery single town wagon. Yes, it is very clear you two should be looked at. It boggles my mind that Datisi isn't seeing this.
In post 2381, VP Baltar wrote:I'd rather we don't try to verify the doc claim. I don't think we should yeet cookie todayIn post 2378, Green Crayons wrote:If cookie clarifies that that was a legit claim I’ll switch my vote
Otherwise I disagree with Andres that the claim itself is AI
In post 2382, Datisi wrote:hm
it didn't really occur to me that cookie might be town fakeclaiming but if we don't have plans yeeting there today i feel like she should not be clarifying that
pedit: lol
In post 2386, Green Crayons wrote:I only skimmed the pst few pages so from memory:
Yeah I don’t think the claim absolves cookie and I’d still like to pressure an elim, but if we’re not going down that path anymore then okay
Baltar why were you focused on whether there was midway momentum?
Andres were you satisfied with Baltar’s explanation of his change on midway?
I’m good with a midway vote bc of the prior suspicions I articulated + his preemptive vote on me when I was working through them with Qs posed to him, but I saw someone (Andres?) say we’re E-1 already? So I’m claiming intent to hammer.
He's voted a bunch of town players, pressured cookie on the doc claim the hardest, and has been "present" but not really pushing the game in any particular direction.In post 2915, DrippingGoofball wrote:Why are people voting GC?
again, this is not what i was saying. read the bottom part of 2809.In post 2819, VP Baltar wrote:I do agree with this criticism. I don't think it's scummy to be very suspicious of myself and Datisi today. I would be if I was on the otherside.In post 2654, RLotus wrote:Why why why is this scummy? You think we should ignore the people on both Italiano's and midway's wagon? The fact that you aren't the least bit suspicious of VPB STILL is shocking. This is the natural place to look, this is not a scummy push.
I don't think it's guaranteed one of us is scum, but it's a reasonable take objectively.
> arguing with you and trying to figure out if your points are bullshit or notIn post 2822, RLotus wrote:I don't see much difference from your opinions yesterday. Where have you re evaluated?
"i understand why people would be looking my way considering my involement with the two town wagons" and "i'm not gonna roll over and die and i will still bite back if i get the feeling someone is shitpushing me" are not mutually exclusiveIn post 2825, RLotus wrote:Your play does not reflect this whatsoever.In post 2818, Datisi wrote:i'm not saying it's "just paranoia", like i'm not stupid i see my pushes have flipped town and why that would be suspicious.
yeah sure, scum could attempt to push cookie and try to get the doc executed. ...which brings me back to the fact that as soon as someone said "oh we should verify the claim" and started setting up a push, my reaction was "no let's not do that" (2382)In post 2830, Andresvmb wrote:If there was the potential that Cookie get executed during the day, wouldn’t Scum want to take advantage of that? I would argue that’s at least something I would explore as Scum.In post 2812, Datisi wrote:but you're not looking at the bigger picture here. i never voted cookie, and i instantly said not to actually verify her claim / push her when it came up and agreed to give her a day or so. like attacking the doctor in hindsight doesn't look good, obviously. but why the fuck does scum!me do it? to point attention at myself and how much i think the claim is bad, only to then... nightkill her anyway?
hmIn post 2892, Andresvmb wrote:Interesting that now that you’re being pushed you come out of the woodwork to speak. But when Datisi/RLotus/VPB/Me are killing each other you do nothing to de-escalate.
so... why did you join my midway's push yesterday? and you said in hindsight it doesn't seem mailicous to you, so why's it lowering your estimation of me?In post 2899, Green Crayons wrote:I separately had problems with Datisi's midway push, which I think I've resolved after having reviewed twice now & discussed in neighborhood iwth Datisi and mom; but it still has lowered my estimation of him.
green said he didn't have a separate power so i figured the hood is as useful as we make it to be. i think "optimal play" of a created hood is situational, basically what would give the most overall utility. dgb said it's demotivated, maybe the ability for it to post in our hood and talk to us would motivate it to contribute, that's +town regardless of its alignment. momrangal i was starting to have doubts on, i though having her in the hood would help me sort her more closely. and i think you're being town in a way that's far out from 2157, and also i have the most games w you and i feel like we work well together. granted adding you into the hood would be +town because it would motivate *me* to spend more effort in the game rather than a specific utility of reading x person, but. whether a hood is fun or not is a big factor to me bc fun is what motivates me to play this game. given a free choice, i'd add you, no thinking.In post 2905, VP Baltar wrote:@Datisi --- what do you think the optimal play of a neighborhood is? And if you had been given the sole choice to pick last night, who would you have neighborized?
He's my biggest town read, so he's scum.In post 2918, Datisi wrote:hi dgb why are you voting baltar?
i thought he was lost scum who found it easy to do catch up posts when he first replaced in but then didn't really know how to act town so just drifted and was absentIn post 2902, VP Baltar wrote:GC, can you explain your thought process in landing on midway yesterday?
seriously considering AndresAlso, who do you most want to yeet today?
this is stupidly LAMISTIn post 2889, Andresvmb wrote:I didn’t say we shouldn’t act on RTPs suspicions D1. If you want to rely on them to execute me, by all means.In post 2885, Green Crayons wrote:We should listen to RTP's D1 suspicions.In post 2847, Andresvmb wrote:RLotus Green Crayons is not very Towny. If they were, RTP would not have suspected them. And you can’t get away from all the bad votes. Some discussion around two slots is not good enough to outweigh all of that.
We shouldn't listen to RTP's D1 suspicions.In post 2851, Andresvmb wrote:Yeah they placed me on their solve towards the end of the day.In post 2848, Momrangal wrote:Didn't Koba Express a scum read on you and well?
Listen, if after everything I’ve been fighting for, you want to execute me first here, by all means. I’m so tired of this game, I won’t fight it too hard. You want to burn the Town to the ground with the worst mis-execution I would have ever been subjected to, go right ahead.
<3In post 2919, DrippingGoofball wrote:He's my biggest town read, so he's scum.In post 2918, Datisi wrote:hi dgb why are you voting baltar?
you've voted 2 players who flipped town, 1 player i know is town (me), and 1 player who is obvtown (Lotus)In post 2891, Andresvmb wrote:Better than yours.In post 2883, Green Crayons wrote:and RTP. three votes on folks who ended up town. what's your success rate so far?In post 2835, Andresvmb wrote:Green Crayons has a lot of votes on Town actually. Cookie Monster, obviously midwaybear.
you've got it backwards, i suspected midway before your push.In post 2917, Datisi wrote:so... why did you join my midway's push yesterday? and you said in hindsight it doesn't seem mailicous to you, so why's it lowering your estimation of me?