Mini Normal 2196 - Game Over

[RLotus]

Pooky said something about all claims being town, so I'm not sure ^

But yeah, it's what would make sense.

Well it was before we flipped the encryptor and goon. I would have expected at least 2 good mafia PRs at least. Not always having daytalk, but rather relying on an encryptor is basically a negative utility to mafia. Could be wrong about this, but I'm thinking A50 must be fake.

[RLotus]

Anyway I think it's crazy to think clidd made an effort to get the wagon off of town!flea onto his partner geraintm. Same with VFP. Clidd also heavily pushed his other partner Titus. VFP didn't hard push in that direction, but he could have easily stuck with trying to kill flea yesterday, but switched to Titus. Also, I believe I'm confirmed town at this point unless you think mafia has an encryptor, goon, and doctor.

Basically I think the townblock of VFP, clidd, and myself wins the game.

[clidd]

To be honest, I was paranoid about the possibility of you being scum but this combination is unusual and, as discussed earlier, the chances of a scum doctor are low.

[clidd]

I don't understand exactly the mech argument around it (hey, social player here), but I trust Pooky and Llama's speculative work on it.

[clidd]

Flea, by play, is still a plausible scenario, especially with fae viewing Vfp as a PoE choice, but without adding additional details on how a scum!Vfp world would work.

[clidd]

Vfp is very unlikely.

If he's scum here, well, wp. I'm fine with losing.

[clidd]

(Not really fine, but pretending to be fine, y'know).

[clidd]

I mean, our townblock sounds good.

Should be good.

Looks good.

But it's #gamesolved at all?

[clidd]

Ok, let me continue the reread thing on Solon/a50.

If I'm going to vote them, at least I must feel good about it.

[clidd]

I don't want to say too much, but the Novice Detective role makes some sense alongside my own role.

I'm not the best at setup spec but this is what I feel right now.

@Lotus

Wait, does modified gs make sense with novice detective?

Trying to understand if it makes sense for town!solon to think that.

[clidd]

Honestly I could vote half the playerlist right now

Oh and April also claimed D4 Innocent Child

That seems a very convenient claim

Half of the playerlist for "?" reasons.

A "that's unlikely/fake" reaction would be more appropriate, but convenient is generic, so it's nai.

[clidd]

Reads on Hyposoc?

Their posting style seems scummy to me as it's very carefully written and diplomatic

I liked this impression, it was identical to the one I got from Hypo on D1.

[clidd]

DGB could be scum as well. I don't get the sense that they're actually trying to solve the game

Bugspray seems pretty Townie, although their last post really sucked

Bugs' last post sucked as it was so negative and had a draining effect on the thread, and I disagree that my claim sucked.

We are nearing deadline and I can't wait around until it's too late that people will be like 'meh, there's no time let's just elim Solon'.

I have claimed to have hard info Tomorrow, which is something scum in this situation would have zero reason to do.

Maybe my predecessor sucked? Idk but that's irrelevant. Focus on the present, not the past. Whatever my predecessor did is beyond my control, and I refuse to be held accountable for something someone else has done.

The Dgb read is fine.

The Bugspray read is curious bc he says that he's townreading their slot but also criticizes them. This is a bit balsy to do in terms of projection (if you are coming from a scum mentality) and the explanation later seemed plausible(towny) but the continuation of half of the third post to the end was unnecessary and conveyed a certain uncertainty about the slot's self-image(scummy).

[RLotus]

I don't want to say too much, but the Novice Detective role makes some sense alongside my own role.

I'm not the best at setup spec but this is what I feel right now.

@Lotus

Wait, does modified gs make sense with novice detective?

Trying to understand if it makes sense for town!solon to think that.

They both have to do with finding someone who can kill, so I suppose in a sense they make sense to be together. I don't know if they are commonly in the same set up, but I can see where he is coming from with that.

[RLotus]

If I'm remembering correctly didn't Biped say the same thing about the detective claim making sense with his role? Biped being the even night gunsmith. So I guess there's merit to that.

[clidd]

Biped? I don't remember he saying that.

[clidd]

I have a role that synergises with Gretchen's in such a way that makes me believe the claim is town.

Can we vote scum today?

Actually, it was Klick, the person before Biped and after Ydrasse.

He replaced on D1, played the most part of it and then replaced out.

But yep, basically the same "I-have-a-role-that-works with-yours" tell.

[clidd]

I haven't really been interested in the Da Dude wagon because I didn't have particular suspicions for that slot, nor did I think flipping it would reveal anything.

But now I am suspicious of MiniMegabyte, and I feel Da Dude flipping scum would all but cinch it.

That said, the Da Dude wagon is evaporating, so maybe I should just vote for my suspicion directly.

VOTE: MiniMegabyte

But, if the Da Dude slot wagon returns, I am happy to swap to it.

that's such an artificial post

Scum voting other scum?

kinda feeling like switching to hypo

Why do you scumread me?

i don't necessarily scumread you directly, like, i'm not a fan of you watlzing in and claiming PR but apart from that i don't have much to say about, it's more about mini's posts, i could try to dig the ones that pinged me if ya want

and in that message, it's more that i felt that Hypo was acting like you'd act with a scumbuddy you see?

But, still, not enough to clear him.

Biped also expressed suspicion about the slot (although Hypo was not scum) ^

[clidd]

And it's strange for a scummy slot like Biped, who was probably going to be on everyone's scumpool/null to eat the n1 nk over Grechen and Solon (both who have claimed too at that point).

[clidd]

Not saying that there is a connection, of course.

It's just a guess.

[clidd]

Spoiler:

VOTE: Clidd

Let's try this for size

I don't like his position regarding the Novice Detective claim, it seems manipulative

I'm willing to elim anyone that is not a claimed PR.

Disclaimer: future claims do not guarantee you a pass, given what has gone before. You will be scrutinized.

I'm feeling a little better about Dannflor, but maybe I'm just going soft?

I think people are using the frozen deadline as an excuse to slack off.

Scum are definitely amongst these slackers.

the solon slot is fucking town and we've known it ever since the only wagon was on it for like at least 48 hours and nothing hapopened

i will yeet:
mini > clidd > gerain

Does not compute

Feh, are all these slot replacements normal?

I'm just generally annoyed by all the player swapping, and keeping track of who claimed what, and who practically admitted to being mason with whom. Forty pages of day one... it feels kind of miserable, and actively counter productive.

Are we settling on anyone at all?

I'm happy with the slot vote I am currently going for, but I have no reason to be stubborn about it. If geraintm is someone we can agree to get out, I'll swap to that, or I'll hold strong if we want to get Solon out. Power role claiming on three votes feels weak and desperate.

This is a scum post

VOTE: HypoSoc

In post 903, Solon wrote:
I be a TPR! Get off my wagon or be off with thy heads!


really, another day 1 claim. i think i believe about one third of these are true

gretchen and klick are pretty much always the same alignment soo

I don't really see a reason not to believe klick or grethcen. Would klick really run a gambit like that to save his partner? Klick certaintly wouldn't do that as scum to save a town pr. Maybe gretchen happened to fake claim a pr that supposedly synergizes with Klick? Seems doubtful.

Mini's slot claimed in a really weird spot. Doesn't seem natural that they would feel the pressure to claim there. It is also a pretty safe fakeclaim given there are 2 other prs that can die in the night.

I'm scumreding this as well

Btw I didn't even know about the other claims when I made mine. This subtle discrediting shit aint gonna fly

This wagon feels a little dirty with how quickly it's sprung up, let's try this instead

VOTE: Lotus

I haven't really been interested in the Da Dude wagon because I didn't have particular suspicions for that slot, nor did I think flipping it would reveal anything.

But now I am suspicious of MiniMegabyte, and I feel Da Dude flipping scum would all but cinch it.

That said, the Da Dude wagon is evaporating, so maybe I should just vote for my suspicion directly.

VOTE: MiniMegabyte

But, if the Da Dude slot wagon returns, I am happy to swap to it.

that's such an artificial post

Scum voting other scum?

kinda feeling like switching to hypo

Thinking about it, this post actually makes tons of sense from the perspective of biped being HypoSoc's partner

Jesus, this ping-pong of scumreads is similar to Amélie (Titus).

[clidd]

VOTE: Alice

She strikes me as rigid scum

Her reads and views aren’t adapting, she still wants to push my elim because..????

Maybe that’s why I wasn’t NK’d, because she’d have to actually alter her stance

I liked my Alice vote but no-one seems interested in her elim for some reason?

We are nearing deadline and I have quite a fever and don’t feel like reading up right now. I’m just going to sheep the only player I know is Town for the sake of a wagon

VOTE: DGB

Hum, ok.

[clidd]

One thought that came to my mind, btw, is the fact that Solon had an approximate period of 6 days of inactivity and received no prod.

I suppose that N_M could have just forgotten, but an interesting theory was if Solon was posting on some PT but not in the main chat and N_M was under the illusion that Solon was active and not needing a prod.

This is disgusting

VOTE: Clidd

@mod

can you confirm why I wasn’t prodded?

disgusting = scummy(?)

[clidd]

Maybe it's just A50, idk.

I still have to reread Flea/Alice before voting.

[Flea The Magician]

I'm back.

Before proceeding,

@Flea

Why is Vfp in your PoE but Lotus isn't?

Lotus has a green light.

And considering the answer that I imagine you will give: what behavior of Vfp, besides PoE, sounded as scummy to you?

He has effectively collaborated over the days towards gamesolving (while other slots were inactive/afk), and was in favor of both scum eliminations (Gera/Titus).

If he's scum, there must be something specific that he has done (or tried to do) that would benefit the scum alignment. I imagine you'll have no difficulty mentioning it, since from your perspective he's a potential scum candidate.

Our previous interactions scream agenda and manipulation to me.

Guys, if you all think it's me I think you should get it on with and lim me today. I don't want to lose in ELo, so you go ahead and vote me out and see if you can see the light in the moro (because evidently I dunno what to do next and I am obviously a dead load)

See you have a similar tell to Titus... which is your WIM as scum is practically negative.

I recently replaced into a game that is over now.
I took over a scum slot during the night and was shot so I didn't get to post in game. However, Titus was also scum and was the lim the day before I was shot.

In the Mafia chat Titus had already given up and wanted to forfeit the game. Pooky was the other scum who actually almost won the game.
So the fact that Titus has given up here just gives me the exact same vibes from that game.

Game was Envoys of Entrapy by Gamma.

I mean, what's the point of giving this info as scum!Vfp? ^

That game had ended more than 10 days ago and no one mentioned it, so the existence of it would hardly be noticed if Vfp did not say anything about it.

And if you paid attention to the post I did before:

And considering the answer that I imagine you will give: what behavior of Vfp, besides PoE, sounded as scummy to you?

He has effectively collaborated over the days towards gamesolving (while other slots were inactive/afk), and was in favor of

Although I particularly wanted to focus on eliminating a slot most likely to be scum (Titus), I feel that Flea will bring a lot more information to the game due to the amount of interactions fae has, regardless of alignment.

But it'll still depend on whether Titus will be replaced or not, as well as the potential successor.

My focus was on eliminating your slot until Vfp shared that information.

So what would be the purpose of scum!Vfp in returning attention to Titus instead of pressing the theory of scum!Flea, which from your perspective, would be a miselim (and advantageous for him)?

Because Titus has a low Scum WIM and honestly, hard bussing is a thing. I'm a YOLO liability at this point and optimal for scum to take into the that stage especially if Titus agrees to the Hard Bus. VCA shows I did not vote Titus at all, despite my intent. Which brings the point about Titus self-hammer being a game throw due to no encrypter, I need to see when she subbed in to see if she had a chance to discuss it.

Anyway I think it's crazy to think clidd made an effort to get the wagon off of town!flea onto his partner geraintm. Same with VFP. Clidd also heavily pushed his other partner Titus. VFP didn't hard push in that direction, but he could have easily stuck with trying to kill flea yesterday, but switched to Titus. Also, I believe I'm confirmed town at this point unless you think mafia has an encryptor, goon, and doctor.

Basically I think the townblock of VFP, clidd, and myself wins the game.

Disagree on VFP.

Flea, by play, is still a plausible scenario, especially with fae viewing Vfp as a PoE choice, but without adding additional details on how a scum!Vfp world would work.

Wildcards exist. PoE is by elimination of clears, technically Lotus loses their greenlight. Given their play here I'm still happier with VFP over Lotus in the PoE.