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In post 2889, Nahdia wrote:I'm completely behind and haven't changed my reads at all, really. I still think anen and copper are definitely scum but I barley have opinions on the other slots.

In post 2862, Lowell wrote:@shaz and zakk, I haven't really seen anyone articulate why the kop claim is scum. the "two-shot" part in particular makes me think it's a town claim. If he's scum, why wouldn't he polish his claim to be the more conventional "one-shot" or "even/odd" type of claim? I guess this is WIFOM too, but again I can't see why scum would benefit from this.

In post 2928, Ircher wrote:Titus, what's your thoughts on Lowell's reaction to the Kop wagon before and after the claim?

In post 2923, copper223 wrote:If you are interested in why Magna is scum and you are not Magna let me know, I don't have the time to go back and forth with scum especially when it doesn't seem like town is paying attention to the walls.

In post 2929, Titus wrote:

In post 2862, Lowell wrote:@shaz and zakk, I haven't really seen anyone articulate why the kop claim is scum. the "two-shot" part in particular makes me think it's a town claim. If he's scum, why wouldn't he polish his claim to be the more conventional "one-shot" or "even/odd" type of claim? I guess this is WIFOM too, but again I can't see why scum would benefit from this.

Really, we

just finished a game with even/odd,

when scum had even odd roles themselves.

I don't buy two shot commuter. I'm an odd night role.

VOTE: Kop

In post 2789, SirCakez wrote:

Votecount 2.7

The Leaning Tower of Pisa in Italy!

Kop (6) - Expedience, Lowell, Ircher, MagnaOfIllusion, Nosferatu, Aneninen
projectmatt (2) - cytheflyguy, copper223
Titus (2) - zakk, drmyshottyizsik
zakk (2) - Titus, Shaziro
copper223 (1) - Nahdia
Aneninen (1) - projectmatt
cytheflyguy (1) - Kop
MagnaOfIllusion (1) - Liger_zero

Not voting (1) - Egg

With 17 alive, it takes 9 votes to lynch someone.

(expired on 2016-06-21 09:44:00) remain until day end.

In post 2797, Lowell wrote:VOTE: matt

I'm ready to buy him as scum. I read again and I'm worried I've grown too lenient on explaining away scum as newbtown. newbtown still applies to cy, though

I'm inclined to believe Kop claim as town. On the one hand, it's kind of a who-gives-a-shit role, as far as I can tell. However, everything about Kop's ISO looks like someone who has a claim that can bail them out and isn't so worried about a lynch because of it. I'm more inclined to think town would play this way. Frankly, I've done this. Had a good, clear, town claim and sort of pissed around most of the day knowing that if I got anywhere near mislynch I can just spout my claim and everyone will move on. I think that's what this is.

In post 2827, Shaziro wrote:So right now I'm thinking Ircher is trying to avoid answering questions, which I hate. I think it would be worth wagoning Kop, because I don't like that Seth's awful scumminess is getting slipped past as "Oh he's just a troll", and if he flips scum I'm going to be looking fairly hard into the people who were trying that excuse to be honest. Kop hasn't done anything that really improves his image to me (Including a roleclaim this early), so
VOTE: Kop

In post 2829, drmyshottyizsik wrote:

In post 2827, Shaziro wrote:So right now I'm thinking Ircher is trying to avoid answering questions, which I hate. I think it would be worth wagoning Kop, because I don't like that Seth's awful scumminess is getting slipped past as "Oh he's just a troll", and if he flips scum I'm going to be looking fairly hard into the people who were trying that excuse to be honest. Kop hasn't done anything that really improves his image to me (Including a roleclaim this early), so
VOTE: Kop

I can actually see that... sigh
VOTE: kop

In post 2877, Shaziro wrote:I'm actually uncomfortable with that too...and I think you had a good point with 2290 too.

Also, what copper meant was in the scenario he was presenting, Titus was town. The whole scenario was "if we assume Titus is town", was it not?

UNVOTE:

In post 2908, Shaziro wrote:

In post 2901, Expedience wrote:

In post 2841, Shaziro wrote:I did. First you tried to avoid answering by shouting "SCUM BUDDY", then you gave an answer with no explanation, then at being pushed even more you tried to just argue that the modifier makes it more likely to be scum. That is very much you avoiding giving an answer, when it takes you that long to give one to a fairly simple question, and could easily be you trying to think up a reason while you stall.

He's voting the same person as you so what's the problem?

Because if something pings me as scummy, I'm going to call it out. If it means they are buzzing, awesome, if it means they are trying to roll with a mislynch, that'll get sorted and stopped if we realize that's their goal, and if not its just more rope to hang them, right? Did I miss some mafia theory thing here?

Also,
VOTE: Kop

In post 2929, Titus wrote:

In post 2862, Lowell wrote:@shaz and zakk, I haven't really seen anyone articulate why the kop claim is scum. the "two-shot" part in particular makes me think it's a town claim. If he's scum, why wouldn't he polish his claim to be the more conventional "one-shot" or "even/odd" type of claim? I guess this is WIFOM too, but again I can't see why scum would benefit from this.

Really, we

just finished a game with even/odd,

when scum had even odd roles themselves.

I don't buy two shot commuter. I'm an odd night role.

VOTE: Kop

In post 2936, Ircher wrote:Why?
UNVOTE:

In post 174, SethYazura wrote:If I am scum that would be a serious problem, accidentaly lynching your own teammates or the sk, effectively reducing the kills per night in a large game will lead to your demise

In post 378, SethYazura wrote:

In post 304, copper223 wrote:
@Seth
If you are hard claiming SK we can use you as a vig and give you brownie points when we win, how about it?

Unfortunately I am not hard claiming SK.

In post 660, SethYazura wrote:

In post 657, copper223 wrote:@Seth
so what is it that gives him away as a newbie of the townie variety to you?

You can easily single out newbies from an experienced and everyone can do it.
An experienced knows the concequences of posting in the same way as cytheflyguy, cy posted like that because he doesn't.

In post 2942, Nahdia wrote:yeah im not a big fan of the kop lynch

can we get a counterwagon pls?

In post 2946, Ircher wrote:Meh, I still think Kop is scum, esp. with the way Lowell got off the wagon.
VOTE: Kop

L-1

In post 2943, Ircher wrote:What's the chances of a Lowell wagon?