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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:06 pm
by Moongrass
In post 2918, DrDolittle wrote:moongrass you do see that varsoon is relatively likely town due to his claim and role, right. do you think oka's resistance to this idea is scum-death-tunnel or town-oka being dense?
This isn't town Oka. Town!Oka isn't dense, nor very confident in his reads.

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:06 pm
by OkaPoka
mbaki has no excuse now

and ddl + moongrass promised to read it so

@creature against a traitor setup? i think thats ok

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:07 pm
by OkaPoka
In post 2925, Moongrass wrote:
In post 2918, DrDolittle wrote:moongrass you do see that varsoon is relatively likely town due to his claim and role, right. do you think oka's resistance to this idea is scum-death-tunnel or town-oka being dense?
This isn't town Oka. Town!Oka isn't dense, nor very confident in his reads.
[citation needed]

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:07 pm
by Moongrass
In post 2927, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 2925, Moongrass wrote:
In post 2918, DrDolittle wrote:moongrass you do see that varsoon is relatively likely town due to his claim and role, right. do you think oka's resistance to this idea is scum-death-tunnel or town-oka being dense?
This isn't town Oka. Town!Oka isn't dense, nor very confident in his reads.
[citation needed]
xx

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:08 pm
by mbaki
In post 2914, Moongrass wrote:I don't buy that Oka/mbaki can't be buddies. Oka posts a lot, and often with his team. mbaki omguses you SOD as an excuse not to vote anyone else. Oka tunnels Varsoon for similar reasons. I can see it, and I'm pretty sure Oka is using his case being rejected to cover his frozen behavior at this stage.
In the interest of complete disclosure, I also tend to theatre a lot as scum, and a lot means interacting with teammates about as much as I do with townies.

I don't think our day 2 interactions can be scum vs scum, but that's a discussion I'll deal with happily if Oka is lynched and flips scum.

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:08 pm
by mbaki
In post 2926, OkaPoka wrote:mbaki has no excuse now

and ddl + moongrass promised to read it so

@creature against a traitor setup? i think thats ok
You're right, I do owe it a read.

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:09 pm
by mbaki
In post 2927, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 2925, Moongrass wrote:
In post 2918, DrDolittle wrote:moongrass you do see that varsoon is relatively likely town due to his claim and role, right. do you think oka's resistance to this idea is scum-death-tunnel or town-oka being dense?
This isn't town Oka. Town!Oka isn't dense, nor very confident in his reads.
[citation needed]
Can you show a town game where you case in a similar manner and confidence?

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:09 pm
by OkaPoka
fwiw the titles of my next two parts were going to be

rage Rage RAGE

and

An Unexpected Journey

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:10 pm
by Moongrass
In post 2929, mbaki wrote:I don't think our day 2 interactions can be scum vs scum
Why?

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:11 pm
by DrDolittle
In post 2924, Creature wrote:
In post 2919, Creature wrote:Do you think follower + voyeur + ascetic + 2-shot commuter would be sufficient power for town?
Idts

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:11 pm
by OkaPoka
In post 2931, mbaki wrote:
In post 2927, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 2925, Moongrass wrote:
In post 2918, DrDolittle wrote:moongrass you do see that varsoon is relatively likely town due to his claim and role, right. do you think oka's resistance to this idea is scum-death-tunnel or town-oka being dense?
This isn't town Oka. Town!Oka isn't dense, nor very confident in his reads.
[citation needed]
Can you show a town game where you case in a similar manner and confidence?
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=76814

Don't be an asshole please and judgmental thanks
xoxo

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:11 pm
by OkaPoka

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:12 pm
by DrDolittle
In post 2931, mbaki wrote:Can you show a town game where you case in a similar manner and confidence?
FWIW I played a game with oka town where i recall he was pretty confident

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:12 pm
by OkaPoka
confidence of reads depends on context of games tho really

im not confident every game

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:12 pm
by OkaPoka
all about context

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:12 pm
by mbaki
In post 2933, Moongrass wrote:
In post 2929, mbaki wrote:I don't think our day 2 interactions can be scum vs scum
Why?
The amount of emotion I had towards Oka, I don't think I could fake that as scum. Oka's reasons for pushing me almost got me lynched there, and he had nothing to do with my wagon dissipating either if I recall he was still voting me last, so in the world where we are buddies he went for a super emotional hard bus day 2 after shooting a teammate. Also, he pushed me based on traitor crumbs, which is not something he can change his mind on so it has to be a committed bus.

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:14 pm
by mbaki
In post 2934, DrDolittle wrote:
In post 2924, Creature wrote:
In post 2919, Creature wrote:Do you think follower + voyeur + ascetic + 2-shot commuter would be sufficient power for town?
Idts
I agree too. Especially because ascetic is negative utility (arguably, for this setup) and commuter is very close to 0.
In post 2935, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 2931, mbaki wrote:
In post 2927, OkaPoka wrote:
In post 2925, Moongrass wrote:
In post 2918, DrDolittle wrote:moongrass you do see that varsoon is relatively likely town due to his claim and role, right. do you think oka's resistance to this idea is scum-death-tunnel or town-oka being dense?
This isn't town Oka. Town!Oka isn't dense, nor very confident in his reads.
[citation needed]
Can you show a town game where you case in a similar manner and confidence?
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=76814

Don't be an asshole please and judgmental thanks
xoxo
How is that question judgmental man, its game related.

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:14 pm
by DrDolittle
In post 2934, DrDolittle wrote:
In post 2924, Creature wrote:
In post 2919, Creature wrote:Do you think follower + voyeur + ascetic + 2-shot commuter would be sufficient power for town?
Idts
But I'm also not NRG so maybe someone with more exp can chime in. In particular recall that means varsoon is a nonscum goon

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:14 pm
by DrDolittle
I mean non vanilla goon

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:15 pm
by OkaPoka
Let's start working towards consensus?

First step is having everyone read my three walls so we can work from there.

@mbaki if u read that game u will understand

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:16 pm
by OkaPoka
I guess, don't let my questionable judgement that game affect how you perceive my reads this game because I feel like I evolved read-wise a lot since then

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:16 pm
by Creature
In post 2944, OkaPoka wrote:First step is having everyone read my three walls so we can work from there.
The problem is mostly the setup spec: it feels like town is underpowered without Varsoon's role.

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:17 pm
by OkaPoka
Yeah

but his play has been really scummy?

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:17 pm
by mbaki
In post 2946, Creature wrote:
In post 2944, OkaPoka wrote:First step is having everyone read my three walls so we can work from there.
The problem is mostly the setup spec: it feels like town is underpowered without Varsoon's role.
This, and I believe commuter and ascetic are unlikely to be town, and I town read Creature's play more than yours, and his role is a little bit townier too.

@Moongrass, Oka looks pretty similar ish to this game there? As in, I don't see a huge lack of confidence that would be a giveaway. I gave it a quick skim though, I might read it a bit more in depth if I have time.

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 5:18 pm
by Creature
In post 2947, OkaPoka wrote:Yeah

but his play has been really scummy?
Yeah and I've already seen him pulling some weird PR play as scum.