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Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:24 pm
by shellyc
yeah wrong quote
I'm quite absorbed in the game of mafia and sometimes it's hard for me to step back but im trying, I'll get there
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:26 pm
by shellyc
ehhh its not my preferred wagon but if my vote is needed to end the day I'll vote there, but are you sure we can get enough votes on taylor
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:27 pm
by Bell
Can’t argue with that. I’m guilty of doing that too sometimes.
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:28 pm
by Bell
Yes, I am confident we can get enough votes on Taylor Swift to end the day.
Barring that we’re not in a Taylor swift music fanclub.
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:28 pm
by Bell
Change starts with you~
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:49 pm
by shellyc
In post 2928, Bell wrote:Yes, I am confident we can get enough votes on Taylor Swift to end the day.
I doubt we could get enough votes on Tayl0r Swift though
It's desperation day. Our time is limited. Toogeloo wagon is dead as well for some reason and scum are lurking so they get their pick
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:51 pm
by shellyc
I'll be around for the next 5 hours if I am needed to hammer or vote for anything to end the day btw
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:55 pm
by MUSHSHAGANA
I actually find it really funny that my entire style of building plausible narratives and basing my reads on those is upsetting shelly, who should have recognized that is a thing I just always do by now.
Pooky has an excuse, at least.
And I do it because I cannot get reads otherwise. Human nature is not something I naturally "get," and a narrative way of looking at things is my workaround. If you want me to play the game, you're gonna have to put up with it. If you want me to shitpost to conclusion, you're being ridiculous considering my reads aren't trash when PRs aren't in the mix. In fact...
Hey, fun fact! If you metadive me you'll figure out that with the exception of shelly, my main pitfall is that I always mix up PRs and scum, while I rarely end up hard-targeting VTs. Shelly is almost the sole exception to that last rule -- my hard targets in the game I had with Noraa were, in order: scum, town PR, scum, finally slowly progressing to the OTHER town PR as a scumread. In the game with Shelly scum, I got two VTs as scumreads but also managed to hard-scumread every PR. In the game with Shelly town, I considered a scum a PR and scumread the actual town PRs, hitting only one VT while alive specifically due to their lack of awareness and engagement with the gamestate.
I'm not saying I'm about to solve or some crap, I'm just saying that I do better than random chance when you take PRs out of the mix. So maybe don't knock the narrative approach too much, hm?
PEDIT: I'm glad I'm not the only one who spotted the Toog wagon being murdered in real time.
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 10:58 pm
by shellyc
In post 2932, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:I actually find it really funny that my entire style of building plausible narratives and basing my reads on those is upsetting shelly, who should have recognized that is a thing I just always do by now.
yeah but maybe because in newbie 2025 I was only in the game for a day and in newbie 2026 I was scum and didn't care about your posts?
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:00 pm
by MUSHSHAGANA
I didn't say you /must/ have recognized, just that you should have.
Also, we were both in the dead thread for 2025 and I was talking about the game the same way there; in terms of possible worlds and narrative explanations.
To make this more clear, when I said "really funny" in my last post, I really did mean funny-haha.
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:02 pm
by Bell
In post 2930, shellyc wrote: In post 2928, Bell wrote:Yes, I am confident we can get enough votes on Taylor Swift to end the day.
I doubt we could get enough votes on Tayl0r Swift though
It's desperation day. Our time is limited. Toogeloo wagon is dead as well for some reason and scum are lurking so they get their pick
No.
Everyone change your votes to Taylor Swift.
Momentum will get us there.
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:02 pm
by shellyc
In post 2934, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:I didn't say you /must/ have recognized, just that you should have.
Also, we were both in the dead thread for 2025 and I was talking about the game the same way there; in terms of possible worlds and narrative explanations.
To make this more clear, when I said "really funny" in my last post, I really did mean funny-haha.
also considering that I did not really effort newbie 2025 in the later parts of D1 considering that I was SR'd for rather bad reasons
eh. I guess maybe our takes are more differing and i dislike people who disagree with me without really concrete reasons.
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:03 pm
by shellyc
In post 2935, Bell wrote: In post 2930, shellyc wrote: In post 2928, Bell wrote:Yes, I am confident we can get enough votes on Taylor Swift to end the day.
I doubt we could get enough votes on Tayl0r Swift though
It's desperation day. Our time is limited. Toogeloo wagon is dead as well for some reason and scum are lurking so they get their pick
No.
Everyone change your votes to Taylor Swift.
Momentum will get us there.
boom lets try then
VOTE: Tayl0r Swift
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:03 pm
by Bell
Unless you’re very confident in another read tay is the elimination. For today.
Vote there, stop foot dragging.
We’re going.
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:04 pm
by shellyc
btw, i've got some tells off bell for this approach to get a wagon on TS, but I'm gonna think about it a bit more because there's something really interesting here
@Bell, when did you start townreading pooky? What's the difference between me/pookys pushes on you that makes you TR pooky/broadly SR me?
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:08 pm
by Bell
I didn’t really.
Both your pushes sucked.
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:09 pm
by Bell
Oops, was that too honest.
Let me try again.
I didn’t really. Both your pushes sucked, forsooth.
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:16 pm
by shellyc
so you think I am a very bad townplayer and am really bad at scumhunting.
Do you even have a read on me?
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:22 pm
by Bell
I just don’t think either of you are going to die rn and my read on pooly is that he’s different, not necessarily scummy.
While Taylor always looks like scum to me, and she usually is.
‘S weird.
I don’t mind backing pooky here.
As for whether you’re a bad town player. I don’t know. If you like being scum chances are your town game is weaker than your scum game.
But what’s a bad town player anyway? There’s a lot of different facets and I don’t want to get into that.
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:24 pm
by Bell
You’re null. But I have a read of you. It just doesn’t put result in me being confident you’re scum or town. Probably because you can’t zig zagging.
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:26 pm
by Bell
Can’t stop zig zagging*
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:28 pm
by Bell
Also, seriously, who am I to judge whether you’re good or bad.
Did you not play in that New Yorker game and newbie game with me in which I was soundly beaten twice.
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:35 pm
by Bell
What I really want right now is to advance the game and releasing Taylor swift from this mortal coil does that.
Should help make things slightly more clear.
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:46 pm
by Hopkirk
I still want Panda.
In post 2783, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:God, I really am glad we got Toog to head this. Basically best case scenario it's looking like.
Hopkirk
Pooky
Shellyc
Zdenek
Lapsa
This is in order of what I think is valuable to town, not order of scumminess. I scumread (at least a bit) every slot listed, regardless.
My Hopkirk case has been gone into. A bit gut, dislike of the reads, disliking the combination of early gimmick posting and early joke/sarcasm posting, recognition of Hopkirk as probably a player who is very dangerous as scum. Number 2 scumread, but the danger and the lack of useful content to play off of bumps this slot up.
Pooky is hyper-active and has a lot more town sway than I'd like for my number 3 scumread. Pooky red clears Noraa. Pooky's postcount in thread may be a major contributor to the thread bloat (uncertain).
Shellyc is largely sheeping Hopkirk's garbo reads and propping up Hopkirk as a town contributor in an adverse environment. Some weak out of date meta brought up about Shelly hard-tunnelling as scum and being more uncertain as town. I don't trust myself to read this slot well, but I think this is one of the only cases where a red Shelly indicates a red Hopkirk, so that's valuable.
Zdenek: number one scumread. I think if this slot isn't scum I'll need to buy a hat to cut up, deep fry and eat. I see absolutely not one single solitary hint of town play in it. That said, the slot is weak and they give us little to no information.
Lapsa is blatantly obvious. Shitposting, self-voting, lurking. If they aren't scum they're gamethrowing town and we should eliminate there sooner than later no matter what... but they're such a universal scumread and their play is so unspeakably bad that I think their alignment is the hardest one to determine in this game. Essentially a policy elimination, I think we get no guarantees of hitting scum here.
Gimmick/Joke posting - @Taylor @Pooky @Bell @Anyone I've played with: do I joke post quite a lot? I've written more than one 2k word joke post in the middle of other posting.
Danger as scum - why? You haven't played with me before and I literally haven't played scum in 2.5 years and over 20 games (counting hydras) and I've completely changed my playstyle since then. Garbage reasoning.
Dislike of reads - If you don't say why you don't like them then you're not saying anything tbh.
Gut? Doesn't mean anything when everything else you've said is meaningless.
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:51 pm
by Hopkirk
In post 2711, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:The reads Hopkirk's giving are trash though. Zdenek a townread? Ever? Also, like, on the face of it half of the nulls and half of the scumreads in Hopkirk's readslist make no sense.
Which strikes me as someone who is angling for miselimination bait more than actually paying attention to what looks town. Which would be way too much work for scum normally, but strikes me as a Hopkirk thing to do.
There's also the fact that most of Hopkirk's interactions where their reads are being questioned are obfuscated by jokes, sarcasm and generally ambiguous meaning. That seems not very much like town to me. Like ... jokes and sarcasm sure, but you'd generally separate those out or use them to punctuate points, rather than covering the surface of your post in an even coat.
So I mean, I don't think I need to do a metadive here. I'm not a fan of meta to begin with, and this is one of those things where these sort of elements come from a certain kind of personality. That sort of personality being faked when you normally play differently is scummy enough on its own, I think.
PEDIT: Noraa... god. Just as I start to townread you again you wreck it /why do you want to derail this wagon so badly just stop/ Toogaloo wants the scroll give 'em the scroll why is this up for debate with the deadline looming THIS CLOSE.
Ok, you're going to have to have some hard backup for 'normally play differently' if you're saying joke posting isn't my town meta. This is an outright lie