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[ssbm_Kyouko]

I'll do S_S today if we need to

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I also get why S_S thinks my case on Galron is hard to follow now too

[ssbm_Kyouko]

can everyone voting skitter just pick between Galron and S_S?

[Something_Smart]

the current working model I have for scum!you is that you looked at the game and decided to give up cuz "not my fault roden put himself in a bad spot" and you're just waiting to die and not spew your partner into a shittier spot than they are already in.

Why do I have 100 posts then?

Like I can show you what antispew S_S looks like. It ain't this

[Something_Smart]

Yeah idc to actually color the shit in but there was a point where either infinity or kyouko could have hammered S_S rather than let enchant happen

When?

[Something_Smart]

Pooky's positioning around ss feels somewhat fake to me

Why is that? This feels like pretty typical Pooky to me.

[Something_Smart]

I also get why S_S thinks my case on Galron is hard to follow now too

You can remedy that very easily...

[Something_Smart]

The reason your Galron case is hard to follow is that it doesn't really have a unified thesis, or if it does, I couldn't find it. All I found was you calling a bunch of posts bad which generally doesn't mean much.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I think Galron is just scum here?

are we sure skitter isn't scum

her case on ssbm is pretty bad

I guess I disagree on this. We're three days deep into this phase, and no one's come up with a good argument, and of those that we have hers makes the most sense. What are your issues with it?

Also, what about kyouko? You indicated that she and I are t/t, but what am I missing wrt her positioning back to me and not gamma? I know my deal on kyouko is kinda weak,

but she asked if I was just sheeping skitter, and I was just spewing what I had been thinking about the past few days about her argument wrt me

. So I'm not going to exactly just let it go without some sort of vetting.

EBWOP: The rest of this post is going to demonstrate that the bolded statement is a lie. This green text is all that was edited.

VOTE: ssbm_kyouko
So the bold, imo, is just a lie. Yes I asked if he was just sheeping skitter, but no, he was not spewing about my argument wrt him, unless I didn't go back far enough?

Skitter's making sense.

Is that the only reason you're voting me?

VOTE: ssbm_kyouko

Skitter's making sense.

Is that the only reason you're voting me?

Actually no. I'm considering the argument you kept making on me yesterday, which was the same thing over and over, and you laid out a long argument on Gamma but never followed up or got back to it. It's just sus. And skitter does make good points here.

I asked in 2356 if his vote was a sheep on skitter, because "skitter makes a good point" sure sounds like it's just sheeping. In response to me asking that question (after, not before), he provides the following bold response

VOTE: ssbm_kyouko

Skitter's making sense.

Is that the only reason you're voting me?

Actually no. I'm considering the argument you kept making on me yesterday, which was the same thing over and over, and you laid out a long argument on Gamma but never followed up or got back to it.

It's just sus. And skitter does make good points here.

Spoiler: My D1 on Galron

VOTE: skitter30

Does a scum!Skitter spend this much effort trying to build a case on town on day 1 of a phase when it's likely any wagon there is likely to break up?

I think skitter is probably town and this (and DGB's vote on skitter) are giving me alarm bells.

Feels like TMI, but if it is TMI, it seems like the intent is to make light of the wagon on skitter indirectly ("it's likely any wagon there is likely to break up"). I say it seems like TMI because Galron has been talking to me as though I'm null or scummy to this point, most of his posting is about how the callers are a distraction iirc. That makes me think he would see me as scummy for bringing the focus there. But he asks his hypothetical as though he knows I'm town. This doesn't align.

VOTE: Galron

It remains to be seen if this is WKing or just defending a buddy but I think Skitter has behaved well since voting me and since I voted her.

it kiiiiinda feels like you're digging in your heels and i don't get it

Do you think scumFinity does that here?

I've had the same inkling and it grows stronger the longer the skitter-infinty discussion goes on. It seems white-knighty, I'm kinda thinking a Galron, DGB, Infinity team rn. Possible theater between them and they're all sort of distanced by positioning differently around skitter and I.

Pedit: not sure if launch was a typo but if it was that word is recently banned, and if it wasn't you should probably use a word less similar like yeet

I like most of ydrasse's list, feels pretty close to my thoughts so far, at the very least it reinforces for me that she's town even if we're both wrong.

Mine goes:
Townread: Rousseau, Ydrasse
Townlean: Skitter, Cephrir,
Nulltown: Tetrina
Null: Gamma, Pooky, House
Nullscum: Roden, DGB
Scumlean: Galron
Scumread: Infinity

House truly null, Gamma and Pooky in null because they've both done things that are lightly towny and lightly scummy, and to me they feel balanced out.

Roden I expect to have heard more from by now, but it hasn't been long so this could fluctuate quickly.

Galron's reaction to being voted feels like unconcerned town to me, but this is easy to fake as scum. This lifts him out of the scumread tier to a scumlean for me.

In Infinity's discussion with skitter, I really felt like I was being white knighted at first. I didnt say anything because I wanted to see how long it would go on, and it seemed to me that any push on skitter there was heavily tied to defending me. I'm going to reread this and see what I think today though.

It has skitter, I want to consolidate with skitter or ydrasse, and both the players they're voting are my bottom 3 with Galron

Okay why are DGB and galron in your bottom 3 reads?

It's already explained in my readslist.

Galron I think should have a different view of me based on his stance around the communications from the callers. He said they're a distraction and town should not abide a distraction taking hold of the thread

DGB's skitter vote bugged me as potentially opportunistic and there's also something that looks like theater going on between it and Galron

Infinity is white knighting me and also has what feel like forced interactions with galron.

The three of them are sort of positioned "around" skitter vs me, which could be distancing between Galron and DGB/Infinity on opposite sides.

Gamma what's your read on infinity now then if you're not

necessarily

going to reread her and skitter?

Galron I think should have a different view of me based on his stance around the communications from the callers. He said they're a distraction and town should not abide a distraction taking hold of the thread

What is my view of you? I'm not even sure I've got a read on you yet, but I do have a view. I'll tell you about it after you tell me what you think it is.

I believe the initial communications were a distraction, yes, put there for color. Whether the subsequent ones are relevant, no idea yet.

I think you, as town, should be annoyed by me posting about the callers if you really think they are a distraction. I would expect that to color your read on me.

Pedit: nice job Galron, you've stopped tweetie

Also Galron, in 490, who are you about to sheep? What is "the call on cephrir" and who made it? It seems from context it's meant to be me but I'm leaning town on him

This is going to feed into paranoia that I'm buddies with Galron but I do town read him.

why?

DGB's skitter vote bugged me as potentially opportunistic and there's also something that looks like theater going on between it and Galron

Infinity is white knighting me and also has what feel like forced interactions with galron.

The three of them are sort of positioned "around" skitter vs me, which could be distancing between Galron and DGB/Infinity on opposite sides.

It seems like you're answering "why does this feed into paranoia that you are partners with Galron", but I think ydrasse is asking "why do you tr Galron" - maybe I'm wrong in that, but if she wasn't asking that, I'll ask it, because I'd like to know.

"why do you tr Galron"

His giddiness jumps right off the page, maybe he has a big fat PR

I don't know if I recognize the giddiness in rereading his ISO. maybe in recent posting it's not as flat as it started, but I wouldn't say giddy. Where does it jump out for you, in what posts?

I’m not sold on Cephrir!town but I don’t like the way you or Galron entered the thread after kyouko called you town partners with Infinity

I missed this. Where?

Okay why are DGB and galron in your bottom 3 reads?

It's already explained in my readslist.

Galron I think should have a different view of me based on his stance around the communications from the callers. He said they're a distraction and town should not abide a distraction taking hold of the thread

DGB's skitter vote bugged me as potentially opportunistic and there's also something that looks like theater going on between it and Galron

Infinity is white knighting me and also has what feel like forced interactions with galron.

The three of them are sort of positioned "around" skitter vs me, which could be distancing between Galron and DGB/Infinity on opposite sides.

For some reason I read Gamma's post as Kyouko calling Infinity and me town partners, and that threw me off. Thanks for pointing that out.

I wonder if this threw Galron off because Galron is partnered with Infinity, and he didnt understand why he was being called a town partner with her, rather than a scum partner

VOTE: Galron

Roden, what do you think of DGB and Galron as individuals? Separate from which wagon has more resistance

I wonder if this threw Galron off because Galron is partnered with Infinity, and he didnt understand why he was being called a town partner with her, rather than a scum partner

VOTE: Galron

a) dislike this reasoning, i also thought gamma had written 'town partners'
b) don't want galron to be on e2

I’m not sold on Cephrir!town but I don’t like the way you or Galron entered the thread after kyouko called you town partners with Infinity

Here's Gamma's post. Without the context of the typo, it is ambiguous whether he is using the plural or the singular you, and since the first use of you in the post is singular ( and is addressed at Galron) it is easily read that way from his point of view.

Gamma did write town partners, but it's not wrong to interpret it the way I think he might have.

Okay not literally a joke, but the implication was that because tetrina pointed to you and you to Galron, that he should point to tetrina. Obviously that's not a serious train of thought, like you were just memeing out, but he responded as though it were serious

VOTE: Galron

third times the charm?

can you explain to me the issue with

'do you think scum!player (where player is not the one speaking or being spoken to) would do this:'

as that seems to be the basis for your galron read as well as for your gamma emerald case

It's not the basis for my Galron read, I don't know if that's even a point I've made against Galron. Maybe you mean my comment on the way that Gamma moved from Galron to DGB? That is equity with scum!Gamma that comes from Gamma's side and isn't AI for Galron unless Gamma flips red. It makes me feel better that there is equity between my scumreads, but I'm not scumreading Galron

because

of Gamma.

I wouldn't call it the

basis

for my Gamma case, but that's possibly a matter of perception. It is the

reason

I tried to trap him around an infinity partner read. I think his behavior around her, and hers around him, are suspicious, but I don't think there is interest in eliminating him today.

The reason it pinged me in the first place is this - it is a tell specific to Gamma:
"Will ask the general playerbase how they feel about his partner to either a) remove them from people's minds to eliminate or b) know the time is right to bus them
Source: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12881030 (Large 233)"
(from Gamma's scumtells in a notes file I keep on my PC)

It's not the basis for my Galron read, I don't know if that's even a point I've made against Galron.

this was the first time you voted for galron:

VOTE: skitter30

Does a scum!Skitter spend this much effort trying to build a case on town on day 1 of a phase when it's likely any wagon there is likely to break up?

I think skitter is probably town and this (and DGB's vote on skitter) are giving me alarm bells.

Feels like TMI, but if it is TMI, it seems like the intent is to make light of the wagon on skitter indirectly ("it's likely any wagon there is likely to break up"). I say it seems like TMI because Galron has been talking to me as though I'm null or scummy to this point, most of his posting is about how the callers are a distraction iirc. That makes me think he would see me as scummy for bringing the focus there. But he asks his hypothetical as though he knows I'm town. This doesn't align.

VOTE: Galron

It remains to be seen if this is WKing or just defending a buddy but I think Skitter has behaved well since voting me and since I voted her.

The first halves of the sentences are the same but you're comparing apples to oranges. It's right in that post that I think Galron is TMIing me as town. In Gamma's 321 I suspected that scum!Gamma was testing the waters to see if he would need to bus scum!Infinity

The first halves of the sentences are the same but you're comparing apples to oranges. It's right in that post that I think Galron is TMIing me as town. In Gamma's 321 I suspected that scum!Gamma was testing the waters to see if he would need to bus scum!Infinity

right but the tmiing you as town would be on account of asking you if scum!skitter would do x and that doesn't seem to be implied to me so i am asking the issue with this general type of question as it also stood out to you elsewhere

unless you think simply assuming that scum!skitter wouldn't be pushing scum!you in that situation is tmi? because that feels ??? to me

I think you might need to reread the posts more closely as there are a couple of problems with what you're describing.

Galron is addressing DGB in response to it voting Skitter.
Galron says, to DGB, does scum!Skitter push town [Kyouko] like this?
I identify this (Galron referring to me as town) feels TMI to me because so far I have felt that Galron viewed me as null or scummy, and that if anything, he should have a negative view of me because he sees the discussion about the callers as distracting.

Galron is addressing DGB in response to it voting Skitter.
Galron says, to DGB, does scum!Skitter push town [Kyouko] like this?
I identify this (Galron referring to me as town) feels TMI to me because so far I have felt that Galron viewed me as null or scummy, and that if anything, he should have a negative view of me because he sees the discussion about the callers as distracting.

1.

yeah first you meant not to be there

but asking

2.

do you think scum!skitter does pushes you like this as town?

3.

does not imply that you are town? like you are answering the question for drippinggoofball as 'yes' in order to conclude that

4.

galron was tmiing you as town?

5.

whereas asking 'do you think scum!skitter pushes a wagon likely to fall apart like this?'

6.

to me implies that galron thinks it is not super likely but is asking drippinggoofball for their opinion

7.

and thus if not likely that galron thinks scum!skitter would do this, that implies galron thinks more likely town!skitter, thus not inconsistent with earlier interactions with you

8.

so i am asking why this sort of question means that to you

1. I'm thinking this is a reference to a typo, not sure. If it's important lmk.
2. This is the exact question that was asked, with the green inserted by me for clarity, because the wording in your post is unclear:

VOTE: skitter30

Does a scum!Skitter spend this much effort trying to build a case on town

[Kyouko]

on day 1 of a phase when it's likely any wagon there is likely to break up?

3. I am the player that Skitter was spending effort in trying to build a case on, so yes, it does imply that I am town. If DGB had answered yes, it would follow that DGB also concedes that I am town for the purposes of answering the question. I have drawn no conclusions about anyone, including DGB, from a made-up answer to this question. I

have

drawn conlcusions about Galron based on the wording he used in his own question. He chose those words.

4. Galron

is

slipping that he thinks I am town here. If he were not, he would have worded the question differently.
5. <nothing to respond to>
6. I don't disagree with your conclusion here. This, however, has nothing to do with Galron TMIing me as town. If he was posing the question as though I were town, he would have said "town!Kyouko", instead of "town", because he did use "scum!Skitter" as a hypothetical.
7. Galron's read on skitter is not what is inconsistent. What is inconsistent is that he sees the discussions about the callers as a distraction, but even though I have been very focused on the callers, he slips that I am town, when he hasn't mentioned anything of the sort before. In fact, later on, when I further clarify that the inconsistency on me is related to my focus on the callers, he claims he has no read on me yet, but he does have a view on me:

Galron I think should have a different view of me based on his stance around the communications from the callers. He said they're a distraction and town should not abide a distraction taking hold of the thread

What is my view of you? I'm not even sure I've got a read on you yet, but I do have a view. I'll tell you about it after you tell me what you think it is.

I believe the initial communications were a distraction, yes, put there for color. Whether the subsequent ones are relevant, no idea yet.

8. Apples and oranges. My read on Galron is not related to "this sort of question" in the sense you seem to think it is. The only relation it has to that question is that in the wording of that question, Galron TMIs that I am town.

That took a while to write because Rousseau is obfuscating the issue with the formatting and misquoting the actual content of the quotes because it's coming from memory^

now it just looks to me like your point is,

is tmi because 'town' instead of 'town!kyouko'

which, uh, shrug

what's the rest of the reasoning as to why galron is a scums?

shortly thereafter he says he doesn't have a read on me yet, which is in contradiction with him calling me town in his question to DGB. I think this further indicates that calling me town was a slip and he's backtracking to cover it up.
I also haven't seen anything since then to convince me he's townie or solving.
Furthermore, the way he says he "leaned in" to your meme question about the triangle of being annoyed between Tetrina, you, and him, makes me think he's having trouble engaging in general and is "leaning in" to try to force some involvement. Describing it as leaning in reveals that he is aware he is detached, and it feels like something scum would do: Open up about what they're actually feeling in a game to appear genuine and therefore townie.

Hmm...

Roden, what's your opinion on Galron? Do you think he could be scum? You seemed to be talking like he could be earlier, but then this...

VOTE: Galron

Does Galron still fit into the equation if both Infinity and Gamma are town? I'm back and forth on Gamma but I think Infinity backed up everything she said about her TR on Gamma with some pretty detailed receipts.

This kind of made me think otherwise.
UNVOTE:

VOTE: Pooky

That readlist of the communicaters comes from scum I think. Scum know who the scum NPC is. This is Pooky leading Town into deception.

???

@callers,

Think it was asked already, but do you know if there is any material benefit if we or you can identify the scum caller?

So you think pooky is scum and telling us to listen to the scum caller, who is...?

My argument on you was not the same thing over and over yesterday. I've included my takes on you and my interactions with you in that spoiler^. I spent several IRL days prodding at Gamma re:Infinity to build that case, and in the end I was satisfied with his responses, so I didn't go back to the case, no, instead I formed a TR on him. This should all be clear if you were paying attention to me on D1, and if you weren't paying attention, I would expect town to do some homework before their vote, unless they were just sheeping, and you said that wasn't the case.

VOTE: Galron

I go on to show that I was not just repeating the case on him over and over yesterDay and explain why Gamma's case I dropped, but his I did not. Then I imply he is scum because he did not do his homework for a vote that he has claimed is not a sheep vote.

Below, we have the interactions between Galron and I, and his thoughts on me, from the start of D1:

You feel less measured here, and I feel like as scum you like to bring attention to your playstyle. It could be you bring attention to your town and scum playstyles matching as either alignment since I haven't played with town!S_S.

A lot of his posts are about him though. so how is he different this game?

btw who else noticed Rousseau's soft? Curious as to how likely it is that it went unnoticed. Cephrir would of course have seen because it was addressed at him, and I know I saw it on my first read, so it was probably noticeable, but idk how noticeable it really was.

I didn't and am kind of confused as to that comment about how it was directed more at cephrir than to me.

Galron responds to 2 of my posts, and I think it's fair to assume from his tone he is not SRing me at this point, but maybe this is incorrect. Certainly if he has 2 strong scumreads, Gamaa and I, at the end of D1, I would expect it to be evident in his posting towards me that he scumreads me. If he does scumread me here, he is hiding it well.

You feel less measured here

, and I feel like as scum you like to bring attention to your playstyle. It could be you bring attention to your town and scum playstyles matching as either alignment since I haven't played with town!S_S.

A lot of his posts are about him though. so how is he different this game?

bolded

So this response, imo, was already out there for him. I feel like it's not difficult to understand 2287. I say in that post that it could be that the second point is NAI (in more words). That means the first point is what tells me he's town.

btw who else noticed Rousseau's soft? Curious as to how likely it is that it went unnoticed. Cephrir would of course have seen because it was addressed at him, and I know I saw it on my first read, so it was probably noticeable, but idk how noticeable it really was.

I didn't and am kind of confused as to that comment about how it was directed more at cephrir than to me.

I just couldn't remember if rousseau directed the comment at you or Cephrir off the top of my head, and didnt want to go back to check. She was directing at Cephrir.

This is just my response to his other interaction with me. not indicative of Galron's alignment or his read on me I don't think.

Skitter- pushed me and defended Enchant in a way that would probably draw more attention than she would like
Pooky- was calling me scum and could have hammered me but didn't
Ceph- switched off of me to Enchant and admitted seeing rousseau's crumb
DGB- weird contrary reads and self-destructive play
Ydrasse- switched off of me to Enchant
Galron- 1823

What don't you think is townie about Tetrina or kyouko?

2305 is S_S's readslist which was originally in

Spoiler: this post.

Uh, something like

Skitter, Pooky, Ceph, DGB
Ydrasse, Galron
Everyone else

I think from this post it is clear that at this point Galron has a problem with S_S not saying that Tetrina and I are town, which heavily implies he thinks we both are town, unless he thinks we are both scum, in which case I think it would be unnatural to phrase the question in the way he did, and instead he would have said "Do you think Tetrina and Kyouko are scum?" or "What do you think of Tetrina and Kyouko?", if Galron had one or both of us in null and wondered if S_S might also.

That last post is the most convincing evidence that Galron was lying about scumreading me at the end of D1/start of D2. It is also evident that he was not, in his exact words,

"just spewing what I had been thinking about the past few days about her argument wrt me"

, when I asked him if he was sheeping skitter. He didn't start doing any of that until after I asked him if he was sheeping. Skitter is probably town here because it would just be bad to double up and hardpush me if skitter/Galron were teamed, so I think Galron is taking advantage of Skitter's tunnel, gets caught sheeping, and when pressured about his vote on me, lies about the reason he is voting me because he doesn't want to look bad for just sheeping.

Nothing would have been wrong with just sheeping skitter, but Galron didn't own that and tried to say he was voting me for actual reasons, and it's clear they were made up after the fact.

I mean here is the post I thought you were referring to when you said my case was hard to follow and the "thesis" is in bright green letters

[Something_Smart]

Your entire thesis is that he was lying when he said that he was posting what he was thinking?

[Something_Smart]

Like, I read the bolded statement and the green statement, multiple times, when I looked for the case initially. It wasn't really evident what you were trying to argue.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

The keyword in bold is "just" - he says just as though "that's what I was just doing before she asked me that" - my post proves he didnt start talking about that until after I asked him if he was sheeping.

Even if he meant "just" in the sense of "this is all I was doing", hes still using something that came after I asked him if he was only sheeping skitter to demonstrate why he thinks I'm scummy for asking him that question. He's acting like: [he's been posting about my arguments wrt him the whole time, and that its scummy of me to ask if he is only sheeping skitter when it should be evident he has his own reasons to vote me]. The problem is, his reasons to vote me were not brought up until after I asked if it was a sheep.

To break it down in simple terms:

Skitter voted me
Galron voted me saying "skitter has a good point" [sic].
I asked Galron, "are you just sheeping skitter?"
Galron says no, and only then does he start to talk about my arguments wrt him.

Some time passes. Galron makes the previously bolded statement. I make my case on him saying he doesnt start talking about my arguments wrt him until after I have asked him if he is just sheeping skitter.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Basically I asked him why he did A. He said "B", then some time passed and he said "Kyouko asked me A, when I was just doing B! How dare she!"

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I didn't think that was hard to follow. That's not my only case on him though, it's just the most recent one

[Something_Smart]

Thank you, that's very helpful.

I'm sorry for being annoying, but it bugs me to have to wade through long quotestripe posts (especially on mobile) when it's possible for someone to sum up their arguments much more concisely.

Also, fwiw, I greatly prefer post links to quotes for things like that. They're easy to follow, they don't clutter up the post, and they let you look at the context of the post.

[Something_Smart]

I know my deal on kyouko is kinda weak, but she asked if I was just sheeping skitter, and I was just spewing what I had been thinking about the past few days about her argument wrt me.

Galron, what did you mean by this?

I think it is a pretty ambiguous and convoluted statement and it's entirely possible that ssbm interpreted it wrong.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Thank you, that's very helpful.

I'm sorry for being annoying, but it bugs me to have to wade through long quotestripe posts (especially on mobile) when it's possible for someone to sum up their arguments much more concisely.

Also, fwiw, I greatly prefer post links to quotes for things like that. They're easy to follow, they don't clutter up the post, and they let you look at the context of the post.

I post and read from mobile mostly and dont like reading posts with post tags because I cant read them without making a mess of new tabs

[Something_Smart]

Oh, you don't have a back button?

I use it for clicking post links and returning to where I was and it's very helpful.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I cant go back and forth easy with back, I like to be able to read what someone is commenting on while looking st there comments to see if their comments were reasonable thoughts to have regarding the post they are commenting on. When it's in post numbers I have a hard time doing that. Maybe it's just a me thing

[Something_Smart]

Don't think so, everyone's experiences will vary. I'm a believer in concision anyway (if that wasn't evident from my responses to Pooky).

[Something_Smart]

I will talk about your case in more detail but I would like Galron to clarify first, because I definitely think the statement was unclear and probably he wasn't knowingly asserting a falsehood as you suggested.

[DrippingGoofball]

I was just reading Galron's ISO to find his lolcase on Pooky that Pooky is so convinced he is town for

Read the quotes, you'll see why rousseau really died. Makes sense now that the gamestate is so stalled and doesn't feel any better, because the wagons are S/S AGAIN. lol

Arrrright

Tell me who I should vote for then.

[Galron]

I know my deal on kyouko is kinda weak, but she asked if I was just sheeping skitter, and I was just spewing what I had been thinking about the past few days about her argument wrt me.

Galron, what did you mean by this?

I think it is a pretty ambiguous and convoluted statement and it's entirely possible that ssbm interpreted it wrong.

"and I was only spewing what I was thinking about"

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I was just reading Galron's ISO to find his lolcase on Pooky that Pooky is so convinced he is town for

Read the quotes, you'll see why rousseau really died. Makes sense now that the gamestate is so stalled and doesn't feel any better, because the wagons are S/S AGAIN. lol

Arrrright

Tell me who I should vote for then.

Galrrrrron

[DrippingGoofball]

K

VOTE: Galron