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In post 2947, Mac wrote:Is there anywhere I should shift my vote that's not fucking bleeding town in an effort to save those that are bleeding town?

In post 2951, CarbonFiber wrote:I think both BRO and Desp are really, really incredibly town.

In post 2955, MastinSSK wrote:

In post 2951, CarbonFiber wrote:I think both BRO and Desp are really, really incredibly town.

Incredibly town would be a stretch.
Could be town is not, though.

Which is one reason I hesitate to support the wagon, there.

In post 2954, AngryPidgeon wrote:K so I'm on my phone for the foreseeable future and I'm struggling to read posts as they come so ya. I'm here but only sort of.

In post 2945, CarbonFiber wrote:

In post 2895, Titan wrote:You're not asking me to vote for your scum reads though, and you're not trying to get to the bottom of why I might be hesitant though I'm pretty sure I said why yesterday. You got after me for voting and unvoting last night, though anyone who's ever played with me before should be able to follow that, and then you're saying you don't understand my hesitancy and I've voted being less certain before. Sure, I have but that doesn't really have much bearing on right now.

I am much more okay to vote somewhere I don't feel great about when there is some semblance of town cohesion or direction. There is none here, at all. This game has fractured into factions who are just yelling and fist pumping they're right and right now I can't tell if it's a bunch of town silently being egged on by scum who are benefitting or if it's scum yelling the loudest. This game doesn't make any gorram sense to me right now, and I can't figure out who I'll be helping with m vote.

I don't think you have the game figured out as solidly as you think you do because it doesn't feel like the game makes sense that way.

Okay. My question about hesitancy was more of why you were trying to be absolutely certain before placing a vote as opposed to going with someone who has a decent chance of being scum. For instance, I remembered in PYP, you voted for PowerOfDeath even though you thought that you weren't sure and even though you actually thought there was a pretty good chance that he was town. Now, it seems like you need to be absolutely certain beyond 100% doubt that RBD is scum and if you have even the slightest doubt that they may be town, you'd default to not voting them or voting an unnamed counterwagon even though the same principle should apply to everyone you are voting for (i.e. you can't be absolutely certain PV is scum either, but you are not going to use that standard before you vote him.

I think it should be fairly obvious to you that I am town and Pieguyn is town even if nothing else. You'd obviously be helping us push our wagon. There is a good chance RBD is scum, that AP is scum, and that Mastin is scum. Because you can't be certain isn't a reason to vote a lurker because you can't be certain about that lurker being scum as well. RBD is no more an asset to the game than PV. Their primary contribution to the game has been yelling, insulting, and spamming and burying the thread.

In post 2910, MastinSSK wrote:

In post 2899, The Fox and the Hound wrote:I think scum are much more likely to play according to past town meta (unless they don't like scum/are very transparent), while a town player's play is likely to be evolving such that their townplay

will

change.

You realize you argued earlier in the game that this game resembling your past townplay and not your scumplay made you town, right?

(Nullscum moves to weakscum.)

In post 2921, Kagura wrote:

In post 2913, The Fox and the Hound wrote:

In post 2902, Kagura wrote:

In post 2734, Rancid Broderick Drake wrote:

mastin wrote:Getting myself lynched first, watching as the town lynches my strongest townread, and secretly hoping the town loses is my thing. Don't go stealing it!

*shrug*

If Nati doesn't want to be lynched, he won't be lynched. I asked him to do something that could probably be considered against the spirit of the game, but since it's not a rule violation (I don't think) it will basically conftown us

In case it wasn't already obvious, I've asked him to paraphrase our entire hydra QT re: this game (200~ish posts so far, almost entirely me) - from the pre-game receiving role reactions to current, in order

I once again remind all people wagonning RBD of the post that should be enough to yank them out of their tunnel stupors.

If they do it and it looks genuine, I'd probably be swayed, but otherwise not by this alone.

They can't do it because it's a massive rules violation.
The way that this situation has come about is incredibly town and I really want you to think about if this comes from scum or not. Do you really think tha Muffin and Nati's frustration is fake, bullshitted, come up out of the blue? Because we have all seen Muffin fight lynches before. Has he ever fought a lynch like this at all?

In post 2951, CarbonFiber wrote:I think both BRO and Desp are really, really incredibly town.

In post 2958, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:

In post 2951, CarbonFiber wrote:I think both BRO and Desp are really, really incredibly town.[/quote

Did bro tell you he was going to telegraph the presence of your neighborhood to me?

I didn't catch it at the time, but that's what he did.

In post 2945, CarbonFiber wrote:

In post 2895, Titan wrote:You're not asking me to vote for your scum reads though, and you're not trying to get to the bottom of why I might be hesitant though I'm pretty sure I said why yesterday. You got after me for voting and unvoting last night, though anyone who's ever played with me before should be able to follow that, and then you're saying you don't understand my hesitancy and I've voted being less certain before. Sure, I have but that doesn't really have much bearing on right now.

I am much more okay to vote somewhere I don't feel great about when there is some semblance of town cohesion or direction. There is none here, at all. This game has fractured into factions who are just yelling and fist pumping they're right and right now I can't tell if it's a bunch of town silently being egged on by scum who are benefitting or if it's scum yelling the loudest. This game doesn't make any gorram sense to me right now, and I can't figure out who I'll be helping with m vote.

I don't think you have the game figured out as solidly as you think you do because it doesn't feel like the game makes sense that way.

Okay. My question about hesitancy was more of why you were trying to be absolutely certain before placing a vote as opposed to going with someone who has a decent chance of being scum. For instance, I remembered in PYP, you voted for PowerOfDeath even though you thought that you weren't sure and even though you actually thought there was a pretty good chance that he was town. Now, it seems like you need to be absolutely certain beyond 100% doubt that RBD is scum and if you have even the slightest doubt that they may be town, you'd default to not voting them or voting an unnamed counterwagon even though the same principle should apply to everyone you are voting for (i.e. you can't be absolutely certain PV is scum either, but you are not going to use that standard before you vote him.

I think it should be fairly obvious to you that I am town and Pieguyn is town even if nothing else. You'd obviously be helping us push our wagon. There is a good chance RBD is scum, that AP is scum, and that Mastin is scum. Because you can't be certain isn't a reason to vote a lurker because you can't be certain about that lurker being scum as well. RBD is no more an asset to the game than PV. Their primary contribution to the game has been yelling, insulting, and spamming and burying the thread.

In post 2960, The Fox and the Hound wrote:I haven't actually seen Muffin fight a lynch before that I recall?

In post 2964, Just Sheep Us wrote:

In post 2958, Breakfast With Sandy wrote:

In post 2951, CarbonFiber wrote:I think both BRO and Desp are really, really incredibly town.[/quote

Did bro tell you he was going to telegraph the presence of your neighborhood to me?

I didn't catch it at the time, but that's what he did.

I never did this.

You're blatantly lying and so obviously trying to misdirect a mislynch onto me it hurts.

In post 2921, Kagura wrote:

In post 2913, The Fox and the Hound wrote:

In post 2902, Kagura wrote:

In post 2734, Rancid Broderick Drake wrote:

mastin wrote:Getting myself lynched first, watching as the town lynches my strongest townread, and secretly hoping the town loses is my thing. Don't go stealing it!

*shrug*

If Nati doesn't want to be lynched, he won't be lynched. I asked him to do something that could probably be considered against the spirit of the game, but since it's not a rule violation (I don't think) it will basically conftown us

In case it wasn't already obvious, I've asked him to paraphrase our entire hydra QT re: this game (200~ish posts so far, almost entirely me) - from the pre-game receiving role reactions to current, in order

I once again remind all people wagonning RBD of the post that should be enough to yank them out of their tunnel stupors.

If they do it and it looks genuine, I'd probably be swayed, but otherwise not by this alone.

They can't do it because it's a massive rules violation.
The way that this situation has come about is incredibly town and I really want you to think about if this comes from scum or not. Do you really think tha Muffin and Nati's frustration is fake, bullshitted, come up out of the blue? Because we have all seen Muffin fight lynches before. Has he ever fought a lynch like this at all?

In post 2961, AngryPidgeon wrote:Pedit: wind blown? He was scum in my game!!

In post 1516, Just Sheep Us wrote:So, ffery, given your current read-state, how to you view the narrative of mastin/Titan/RDB/CF/FoxHound/AP/myself based on your reads (i.e., who's doing what in terms of actions?)