Mini 1619 - Antihero: REDEMPTION [GAME OVER]

[mastin2]

I feel kinda bad.
Because gun to my head if I were to be rushed into making a decision right now, it'd be voting ETL.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

*sigh*

[EspeciallyTheLies]

should have lynched me days ago man. now is not the time

[mastin2]

Well if you want me making a decision right now, that's what it'd be.
If you want me actually looking it over and thinking, well, continue to bug me when I'm not around and maybe ask me stuff and whatnot, but stop immediately if I show my presence in the thread as to not interrupt my work.

Or in short, help me when I'm not thinking, stop 'helping' me when I am.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

mastin. that is not right. I have helped you. I have prodded you. since before the new year. over 20 days it's been since I posted the PT summary and you have given this game zero attention. it's LYLO and we have two days left. instead of sitting down with this and just doing it you're going "well the I'll just lynch you because I can't be fucked to actually read anything for a month" cmon that's not fu king right and it's not fucking fair.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

I want you to take the fucking 15 or 30 minutes it would actually take you to read the summary and my ISO ffs. 30 minutes. you can't spare 30 minutes for a game we have all put MONTHS into???

[EspeciallyTheLies]

thinking for a month??? do you care at all?? and don't give me any "I care TOO much" bullcrap because if that was true you'd have at least done the reading to help you think but you haven't!

[beastcharizard]

It is Mastin! Come on ETL.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

if I vote mastin and ns is scum he will happily hammer. I'm not willing to give him the game that way

[mastin2]

Jingle: I have told a falsehood. I will explain later.

ETL didn't even highly this.

Jingle: I fucked up and I feel guilty about it.

Or this.

[mastin2]

Going back to TSO...

{mastin, Thor, MS, NS, Beast} is the pool I'd lynch today, but less than half of those are actually viable. meh.

Technically, this is his last non-Thor, non-MS readlist, and it has NS in it. Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut...

gg coullllld be scum but don't want to lynch them today. flubber's play has also been insipid.

...Literally the post before is this.

It explains his death (all three scum in scumlist), but doesn't help narrow things down.

[mastin2]

vote: ns

He did do this, though.

[mastin2]

I don't see why scum wouldn't have killed TSO

Why is that?

Skimming Thor's iso, this is basically the only bit that I can see from Thor on notscience.

ETL's mostly positive (albeit snarky-Thor-positive) as far as I can see.

[mastin2]

I'm not yownreading mastin

I meant Majiffy, I'm slightly dyslexic - you didn't answer the part of my question I parsed correctly though, which frustrates me because you're wasting my limited time to do stuff in this game.

I suppose there's this, though, and also this,

Flubbernugget - 3 (Guilty Gunsmith, Metal Sonic, notscience,)
Guilty Gunsmith - 2 (, Thor665 pirate mollie,)
notscience - 3 (Lying Cat, , Guyett, Anatole Kuragin)

@notscience - so you, at that stage, found your entire wagon to be made of town and also the only person town reading you for unknown reasons to be town as well?

I dislike the NS wagon.

...But it's not a negative mention.

[mastin2]

Bert iso's not helping me much, either.

Frankly, most of the dead players were more suspicious of beast and myself than anyone else, but obviously that's not helpful.

I know the results from a mollie iso are intense feelings of notscience being scum with me talking her out of it, and also a long argument with ETL which she also thought was scum, which means most likely not so helpful.

I actually think, though, that comments from notscience that I picked up in Bert's iso

might

suggest he's scum.

Hard to say, though.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

welcome back.

[mastin2]

no GG is town i have already sorted them

So you think from GG's reaction that she is unequivocally town?

yea
i would pester more for 100% accuracy but she's a busy person
so 80% probably town for me

Couldn't find anything from Sonic on notscience, unusually enough, but did find this.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

Jingle: I have told a falsehood. I will explain later.

ETL didn't even highly this.

Jingle: I fucked up and I feel guilty about it.

Or this.

highlight? i dunno why not. you were yelling at me about jingle not fake claiming and i was highlighting the parts of my case that were relevant and made me believe he was scum so you could see my thought process.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

i know this probably doesn't mean much but the only person who ever correctly read me all the times i've been scum with him was thor.

so... my excitement at him joining the game should tell you something..

[mastin2]

Annoyingly, there's no mention of Guyett in flubber's iso, but...

We have 24 hoursish. Everyone should explain why they're townreading or scumreading each of those players.

MS is scum because his ISO is

still

fluff and a "reaction test."
NS is scum because he's being a pain in the ass to get a lynch going and his only defense is wifom.
GG is null/town if ETL's "back from v/la" post is to be believed. Can't work out hydra dissonance if you don't talk to the other heads. Other than that nothing in their cases has raised an eyebrow for me.

Flubber was voting MS.

NS replaces my Bert scum read.
Still prefer a ms lynch.
Does beast need a prod? I still wanna face his wraith.

Starting here officially, but also here:

Why don't you read the thread because I'm pretty sure I've flat out stated it several times

This is what I found.

I'm not
And it's not so much meant to be a refutation so much as it's meant to be a "I'm being careful not to give you a townread when you're scum" again

There's others of the same nature.
I don't see the rationale behind being non-comitted. I know I'm missing something and it sucks to talk to me. But please talk to me.

The plea to talk to him sounds important. Notscience basically refused, and Flubber reacted by putting notscience as scum...but never pushing him as being scum.

In fact, it seems even that flubber had a bit of a "list of three" thing going on.

[mastin2]

I'm thinking Mastina and Beast tbh.

Guyett can't call ETL scum without it being a scumclaim, assuming that she's town.

...Why no callout of it being notscience, though?

NS don't buy into that bullshit. Beast is 100% fucking scum and Mastin has been manipulative scum all game.

This could also be a plea to his scumbuddy.

I will vote the following if needed as I don't have stong reads on them yet {Flubber, Mollie, NS, Beast}

Interestingly enough, he does basically exactly this. He buddies AK/TSO with the ns vote, goes after flubber (buddying ETL?), but doesn't go after mollie or beast.


What's really interesting, though, is a trend I've noticed.
Guyett weakly pushed flubber and a little bit of notscience, but pushed me hard, with a side of Thor.
Flubber weakly pushed notscience, but mainly pushed Metal Sonic.

...ETL hard-pushed flubber, and hard-defended Guyett. This game also is similar to Sabotage in that regard of defending flipped scum.

I haven't isoed notscience, but what will I find in his pushes? From what I remember and things I've picked up in isos, I'm pretty certain I'm going to find...weak pushes on flubber and maybe Guyett, but mainly pushing elsewhere.

Both Guyett and Flubber were fairly lurky, too, whereas ETL was hardcore playing for quite a bit. notscience I am almost positive was a lurksack for significant portions of the game and fuck me I'm so going to regret this all if ETL's scum.

[mastin2]

(Also doesn't help that ETL's defending me when she has no reason to do so as scum, whereas notscience is making no visible effort to sort the game at all. I've procrastinated but done the best I could to mentally sort things. What's his reasoning for not having picked a side?)

[mastin2]

Jingle: I have told a falsehood. I will explain later.

ETL didn't even highly this.

Jingle: I fucked up and I feel guilty about it.

Or this.

highlight? i dunno why not. you were yelling at me about jingle not fake claiming and i was highlighting the parts of my case that were relevant and made me believe he was scum so you could see my thought process.

My point is, you could have highlighted them to make the points more obvious, because they are both posts where Jingle implies he's fakeclaiming. You left them alone, which implies you didn't notice them. If you were scum faking this, you would have noticed them, and highlighted them. (Or if scum BSing, would highlight them as important in spite of their falsehood.)

You didn't. Which implies that you didn't even think that the proof that Jingle was fakeclaiming was in them, a mistake that you'd be far less inclined to make as scum.

Which would mean if you're scum then either you're the luckiest bitch of all time (legitimately missing it), or the most manipulative one (deliberately not highlighting it while highlighting points of lesser importance).


Or more simply, that you're town.

[mastin2]

Guilty Gunsmith - 1 (pirate mollie)
Lying Cat - 3 (Anatole Kuragin, Metal Sonic, Majiffy)
mastin2 - 1 (Guyett)
Metal Sonic - 4 (beastcharizard, mastin2, Flubbernugget, Guilty Gunsmith)
Not Voting: Bert, notscience

Also, lacks context, but why would two scum be on the Sonic wagon so early, when there's no scum in danger?

There's also that notscience was late on the actual Flubber lynchwagon.

Anatole Kuragin - 2 (mastin2, pirate mollie)
mastin2 - 4 (Guyett, notscience, Lying Cat, beastcharizard)
pirate mollie - 1 (Guilty Gunsmith)

ETL easily could have killed me, here, too. Why didn't she? All it'd take is mastin paranoia. Which on D3 was the appropriate place to be.

Anatole Kuragin - 5 (mastin2, pirate mollie, notscience, Lying Cat, Guyett)

Lying Cat - 1 (Bert)
pirate mollie - 1 (Guilty Gunsmith)
Not Voting: Anatole Kuragin, beastcharizard

She was also absent from the Anatole lynchwagon.

So dammit. I'm heavily leaning Fuck Jingle. (ns scum.)
But that means that if I'm wrong, it's Double-Fuck-Me.

[EspeciallyTheLies]

i saw them. but i thought he was talking about something else because he continued with the gunsmith stuff after that.