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↑ Boonskiies wrote:@Titus - I posted on the page before the one you posted that. haha.
I've been in a sitewide lull the past week or so. I'm finally able to get more time into this. DON'T WORRY!! THE BOON SHALL PREVAIL AND PROBABLY CATCH UP ON THIS GAME DURING NIGHT 2.
Or now. I could do it now.
↑ Narninian wrote:I'm really torn on doing this but I think it will probably help town more than scum to reveal this;
I am a kill re director; Last night I chose somebody to have the first kill attempt on them go to another target (of my choice) -- this doesn't work if the new target is source of the kill. (my understanding is if its mafia, anybody in that mafia team, not just the person actually performing the kill)
I targeted BBMolla and redirected it to Marquis. Basically if I chose scum there was a chance it would fail, and I was hoping Marquis would be protected, its possible he *WAS* protected and my redirect is what killed him.... sorry. thinking about it now, if I had targeted somebody I thought was scummy and it failed, then I had a probably confirmed scum so I shouldn't have done it that way.
↑ Drixx wrote:↑ Narninian wrote:I'm really torn on doing this but I think it will probably help town more than scum to reveal this;
I am a kill re director; Last night I chose somebody to have the first kill attempt on them go to another target (of my choice) -- this doesn't work if the new target is source of the kill. (my understanding is if its mafia, anybody in that mafia team, not just the person actually performing the kill)
I targeted BBMolla and redirected it to Marquis. Basically if I chose scum there was a chance it would fail, and I was hoping Marquis would be protected, its possible he *WAS* protected and my redirect is what killed him.... sorry. thinking about it now, if I had targeted somebody I thought was scummy and it failed, then I had a probably confirmed scum so I shouldn't have done it that way.
THIS! So much this! If you had redirected onto me, then if it was Eviscerate, it would have fizzled due to my immunity to werewolf kills (How on EARTH is Copper the only one who realized what "Silver lining" meant?).
@ActionDan - You have some reason more than an assumption that "werewolf" isn't usually a "mafia" faction to back up your claim that my immunity isn't to one of the mafia groups? The kill flavor looks an awful lot like the earlier outed "volcano" mafia (incinerate) and a "werewolf" mafia (eviscerate).
This looks a LOT like a scum slip. How on earth could you know which faction targeted Marquis, or even if a re-direct happened, unless you were on the team that got re-directed? I re-read all of today to see if there was some obscure bit of info that could lead to this conclusion, and I don't see it. You appear to know things you can't possibly know Lucian.
FoS Lucian
@Titus - You should probably link to the VCA thread. Your description of VCA and how it is applied is lacking a lot. (For the record, I have a very LOW view of VCA. I think it is, at best, a weak sorting tool. Large scale probabilitydoes notapply to individual situations, and PoE plus context will get you a lot farther than thinking about all the possible things VCA might be showing).
↑ Cuttlefish wrote:Vote Count 2.01
Oranje Crush (2)- Narninian, Toon Fighter
LucianRoy (2)- Om of the Nom, Drixx
Titus (1)- Three-Pronged Trouser God
copper223 (1)- Bulbasaur Commonwealth
Pirate Ika (1)- Ozgin
Ozgin (1)- deathfisaro
Bulbasaur Commonwealth (1)- VysePresident
Not Voting (16): Pirate Ika, Oranje Crush, ActionDan, ChriVi, Boonskiies, PeregrineV, vonflare, Cerberus v666, BRantz, LucianRoy, Magua, Titus, Lihin, BBmolla, copper223
With 25 votes in play, it takes 13 to lynch.
Deadline falls in (expired on 2015-04-02 10:05:14).
Yes, giving full flips would be a significant balance shift that we did not plan for.
I've amended rule I to include the clause in parentheses:
↑ Cuttlefish wrote:I. This game will use no factions other than what is considered normal (town, mafia, werewolf and serial killer).
↑ Oranje Crush wrote:Also how the fuck am I a "good lynch".
I was "fucking town" yesterday before twighlight. I claimed, didn't die and only one kill happened. How fucking far-streched is your mind to think that I'm still SK and not a commuter.ESPECIALLY when one night kill was blocked possibly be me.
↑ Pirate Ika wrote:trouser pple can I somehow persuade you and toon to move here?
just look at twilight.
just look at it.
↑ Cerberus v666 wrote:↑ God of Power Outlets wrote:ok two things:
1- I said this in the mason PT and I'll say it here, setup spec is the most boring fucking thing ever. Stop fucking claiming every five seconds and stop trying to outguess the mod. It literally makes me hate all of you.
2- if ozgin is claiming a guilty on mollie, there's only one play to make: one of them has to die
unvote
Vote: pirate ika
That's all. Having a shitty day, don't bother engaging me if you have soft feelings
-kuribo, the Crimson Fucker
Bolding mine.
Vote on Lucian until he shoots the guilty, because like TPTG says, that's the ONLY reasonable response. Take the shot, prove your claim AND kill scum. Assuming he flips scum, congratulations, you just saved town DAYS of arguing over whether or not we should lynch him with constant reference to alternative scenarios involving redirections of all sorts. If you don't shoot him, well...seems like a good chance we just found two scum.
Vote: LucianRoy
BRantz: Yes, I want you to go away sometime shortly before a lynch is guaranteed on someone else, so you leaving doesn't screw up votes, and we have time to lynch you if you don't actually go away as you claim you're going to do, and so you have time to contribute prior to leaving.
Bulbasaur: Hmm. The aim isn't to cause WIFOM, but to honestly bring up all possibilities as they occur to me. I do see your point though.
Oranje: My votes going on you as soon as Lucian shoots, until someone does something scummier than claiming a role that incentives town to not investigate you, and justifies continued survival into the late game, while simultaneously doing so during THE WORST TIME OF DAY TO CLAIM A ROLE THAT CAN WASTE A NK, WHILE UNDER NO PRESSURE AT ALL, IN PURSUIT OF PERSISTENT CALLS FOR MASS CLAIMS.
SPECULATION: Ika+Oranje team, ika claimed no result on orange to support the commuter claim. Bit early for that play though, but might be a last ditch move to save themselves from the bad call on the claim.
Narninian: Pretty obv town, just...ugh. Bad plays,but I've said enough about that. His bad play and admittance of said play feels super town.
↑ Oranje Crush wrote:Stop saying you will shoot her an shoot her.
↑ God of Power Outlets wrote:No, just confirmed not Berlin Undercity Mafia...
they were just for reducing the post's lenght, but oh well. It is still legible↑ wgeurts wrote:Toon, I was the first to start calling lihin out.
And if you accuse me of "finding easy targets" then point out how my case is wrong. Explain, how my case isn't actually a case on scum I've possibly found by scum hunting. Why must it be an "easy target"?
If your going to through that accusation around you better have the arguments to back it up, go ahead and explain how she's town. Impress me.
↑ Oranje Crush wrote:Seeing how you guys all need it, I'm going to explain my top three problems with lihin in detail. Ignoring the fact she's not scum hunting and is as fluffy as a cloud.
1.The "Catch-Up":
↑ Lihin wrote:Partway through reading, commenting on top 3 wagons now (von, toon, vyse):
Vonflare - His posts don't feel like they'd come from scum pov; his pushes (ice particularly) and other posts like his #71+#73 leave him extremely low-hanging fruit and my gut says that scum would not be recklessly making himself look so scummy.
Toon Fighter - Do agree that he looks fairly lurky and low-contribution. Also has yet to address arguments against himself, and wants to put off neighbor claims for some reason. Leaning scummy, would hop on his wagon given choice between these 3.
VysePresident - I like what he does have, especially #1068 and #1273-76. Feels town to me.
VOTE: Toon Fighter while I sort out my thoughts on everybody else.
She starts her catchup with this post, it reeks. So for some reason she decides to look at the top three wagon at that point in time, then proceeds to hop onto the best one by sheeping. Newb scum love saying I agree with this case, then join it with those words. It makes them look like they have actual reasons to join a wagon, whereas they really just want to get on a wagon to get a nice tasty lynch.
I also find the motivation bad, why look at the top three wagons and not just start catching up? I see two possibilities:
1. As town, she's in need of a temporary vote before she makes her own reads during a catch up.
2. As scum, she couldn't give a damn about what happened in the past. She wants to join a wagon with a good prospect of becoming a lynch.
Her following two post back up the second motivation, why? Look at them and I'll explain:
Some reason the quotes are swapped around when it comes to post time, please keep in mind the post above this came last.
These two post show that she's following the current situation, however we see no comments or real reads (besides drixx, who I'll get to later.) on watch she thinks from her catchup. She never does, I really believe she hasn't done it at all. At the max she skimmed.
She's got no interest in finding scum possible mistakes during the last pages, she's only focused on who's being accused now.
The unvote is also rather convenient, it happens without reason (the post before it she was still displaying scum read on toon) and the wagon had just started to meet resistance and break down. So Lihin suddenely doesn't think toon's scum anymore and unvotes, she doesn't even switch votes (if she had actually done a catch up I'd expect her to vote someone from something she found during it.) and it's obvious she hasn't found anyone else she finds scummy. Looks to me like she's setting up to go in any direction, hop onto any wagon.
First questions for lihin:
Why did you unvote on toon?
Give a list of your reads on everyone please.
Summed up: "Lihin's more interested in current wagons and suspects than forming her own reads. Scum have no need of doing this and it fits a newb-scum very well. Her claim of catching up also seems bogus."
2.Ozgin:
Read these posts, especially the parts I made red:
Scum reading Drixx↑ Lihin wrote:↑ LucianRoy wrote:Molla claimed Miller with a night-skip ability if they have the second highest amount of votes.
Ice claimed: Neighbour day-cop, a day-cop that can only investigate neighbours.
Drixx claimed to be a faction specific bullet-proof.
I claimed Vengilante, a one-shot mix of a vengeful and a vigilante.
I think that was everyone...
In my opinion those claims seem fairly townish, except for the bulletproof claim.
Does Drixx know which faction he is immune to? (not looking for an actual claim of which; just if he knows)
Now he's town, however has reasons.
Scum read (conveniently with the public opinion) and contradiction 1: she just said drixx claim looked good, now it's suddenly weak.↑ Lihin wrote:Just gotten to death's "reaction test". I've looked and it reeks of scum that death doesn't really seem to know what or who he was actually looking for in his reaction test. You're supposed to at least have an idea of what sort of reaction you're looking for when you reaction test? Were just you hoping to draw up whatever most suited your needs on the spot?
Don't like Drixx's defenses which seem to be reactionary counterattacks to whoever is attacking him despite any of their prior actions (attacking a mason?), and his claim is somewhat weak. I think there are better options right now though.
TPTG and others voting Drixx: how do you feel about a death/jackel lynch over Drixx?
↑ Lihin wrote:VOTE: PV
PV lynch is now feeling pretty unappealing to me. Utility lynch that leaves us with hardly any more information, especially if BBmolla nightskip is utilized. Only moving back if nothing else is going to be pushed through.
VOTE: Drixx
Agree with copper's reasoning.This is probably the best feasible option remaining.
Lets look at this post by copper:
Yeah this looks really convincing.
Oh, so now nobodies going for Drixx he's town again. Convenient.
She also lacks reads on everyone else. Also convenient. (Need I say, not scum hunting, sheeping everything and fluffing.)
3.End Day 1 Play:
She joined every wagon without a care, town would do this but with caution however her post displayed that she just wanted to lynch someone but didn't care who. That's scum motivation and thinking, you can't deny it.
↑ Oranje Crush wrote:
Fluff
↑ Lihin wrote:↑ LucianRoy wrote:Molla claimed Miller with a night-skip ability if they have the second highest amount of votes.
Ice claimed: Neighbour day-cop, a day-cop that can only investigate neighbours.
Drixx claimed to be a faction specific bullet-proof.
I claimed Vengilante, a one-shot mix of a vengeful and a vigilante.
I think that was everyone...
In my opinion those claims seem fairly townish, except for the bulletproof claim.
Does Drixx know which faction he is immune to? (not looking for an actual claim of which; just if he knows)
Fluff
Fluff
Like, you were pushing Vyse for not catching up and you let this float around. Why did nobody yell at him/her to step up his game?
The first free posts are terrible.
Let me carry on:
↑ Lihin wrote:Partway through reading, commenting on top 3 wagons now (von, toon, vyse):
Vonflare - His posts don't feel like they'd come from scum pov; his pushes (ice particularly) and other posts like his #71+#73 leave him extremely low-hanging fruit and my gut says that scum would not be recklessly making himself look so scummy.
Toon Fighter - Do agree that he looks fairly lurky and low-contribution. Also has yet to address arguments against himself, and wants to put off neighbor claims for some reason. Leaning scummy, would hop on his wagon given choice between these 3.
VysePresident - I like what he does have, especially #1068 and #1273-76. Feels town to me.
VOTE: Toon Fighter while I sort out my thoughts on everybody else.
"Reading the game", yet she's focusing on the "current" three wagons. Yeah, this looks really town.
The reasons mentioned are absolute tosh and she jumps on the toon wagon, conveniently the largest wagon, with no reasoning what so ever. It isn't even a naked vote, she ATTEMPTS to explain it. This is a scummy post.
Fluff
"Convienienty caught up enough to find toon fighter scummy and know recent actions and revotes same person to make sure they're on the wagon"
#Scum
This backs up my point, Lihin claims to be catching up yet she looks through the last few pages to vote the main wagon. I'm calling lies here, she full well knows what she's doing and the catch up is her cover.
Then she proceeds to scum read all the public scum reads. The best is yet to come...
SHE FUDGE VOTES EVERYONE LAST SECONDS WAGON HOPPING OFF THE ONE SHE'S ON THE SECOND IT DIES.
Summed up:
1. Using catch up to join main wagon and tries to disguise it as legit.
2. Intentionally looking into current main wagons, not trying to build personal scum reads.
3. Scum reads all public scum reads.
4. Joins every wagon near deadline with horrific reasoning, please ISO her and cry.
5. Oh, she has soooo many contradictions: just read he thoughts on drixx's role.