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Posted: **Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:57 am**

In post 2205, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 1346, Alisae wrote:VOTE: Micc
ok give me your other reads.

Like, is Titus scum?
...
What the fresh hell, you'd better have developed this read more

Town. Gamma imho.

Posted: **Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:57 am**

Why?

~B

Posted: **Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:58 am**

In post 2939, Reasonably Rational wrote:Oh.

I should probably also mention my distaste for Icon's plans as laid out. Lynch 1 strong player, if they flip town, lynch another strong player that's guiding the game, and then if they flip town, lynch *another* strong/vocal player.

...

Don't care so much about my place in that set of plans, but the SDvPH=TvS with such certainty that he wants to just lynch through the two of them certainly isn't acceptable.

-Cerb

So what you are opting is we lynch the weaker players first, because they have less impact on the game if we are wrong. What you are also suggesting is that I ignore my reads if they are on stronger players.

I'm not going to adjust my reads/preferred lynches on 'strength' of player.

Posted: **Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:59 am**

In post 2949, Bronya Zaychik wrote:@Mark, What is your read on Iconeum? I don't like repeating myself.

Also, I would not like any more votes out early ty.

Pretty likely to be town based on mechanics and the Venmar push. Worth reevaluating much later if need be.

Would love your answer to what I just asked you.

Posted: **Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:00 am**

In post 2952, Iconeum wrote:
In post 2939, Reasonably Rational wrote:Oh.

I should probably also mention my distaste for Icon's plans as laid out. Lynch 1 strong player, if they flip town, lynch another strong player that's guiding the game, and then if they flip town, lynch *another* strong/vocal player.

...

Don't care so much about my place in that set of plans, but the SDvPH=TvS with such certainty that he wants to just lynch through the two of them certainly isn't acceptable.

-Cerb
So what you are opting is we lynch the weaker players first, because they have less impact on the game if we are wrong. What you are also suggesting is that I ignore my reads if they are on stronger players.

I'm not going to adjust my reads/preferred lynches on 'strength' of player.

@Ico what do you make of RR calling you out for “chaining lynches” and avoiding the Taly head of Purple Heart doing the same?

Posted: **Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:02 am**

For night actions what i am thinking is.

Doc -> RR
Watcher -> Me
Vig -> Wagon that didn't go through/ Snarky (Vig shouldn't go rambo regardless of what the player thinks of themselves, shooting lurkers/leading wagons is pro town in all situations)

Anyone opposed to my attempt at directing the entire game?

~B

Posted: **Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:03 am**

In post 2923, Skybird wrote:I am willing to vote SD. It has bothered me that they were calling me scum before the day even started. Maybe they were trying to get a reaction from me, who knows. One reason I'm not voting there yet though is something I'm not seeing. Yume is very bitter that I fooled her as scum in SU2. A lot of that was because we were in a PT where I was able to try and influence her. So here we are in this game and again we are in a PT together. If they were scum, why not try to return the favor and buddy me? Instead she called me eyeball and hasn't tried to interact with me.

Hm, this along with mastina+yume's scumread on Alisae makes me feel like SD probably is scum
HURT: Shining Dreamers
I believe they're somewhat close to lynch and B&M said they wanted to do things before day end, but just imagine this is a vote

Posted: **Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:04 am**

I am like near positive scum mastina doesn't think she can get me lynched. I also don't think she views that as a positive EV play especially considering pushing me isn't the easiest thing and throwing Yume at me early may not be the best idea.
I could be wrong on this and I am just over rating the shit out myself but idk.

~B

Posted: **Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:05 am**

2927: remove the big text and the things not pertaining to me and I'll respond, otherwise I won't bother trying with that formatting fuckery in the way

Posted: **Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:06 am**

In post 2951, Maid Cafe wrote:Why?

~B

Assume Shining is town. Then Purple Heart has a bad push on Shining. This should cause Purple Heart to evaluate slots. Yet it seems like Purple Heart has a list of slots of “don’t pressure there”.

Assume Shining is scum. Then Purple Heart is very “not scumhunting” here like a planned bus. I like how Gamma tried to get inside Purple Heart’s head and evaluate them and try to see if who they push and what they say is worth following by asking about a slot they haven’t interacted a lot with, despite both posting a lot.

Posted: **Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:06 am**

I was asking you why that post made Gamma town.

~B

Posted: **Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:06 am**

In post 2956, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2923, Skybird wrote:I am willing to vote SD. It has bothered me that they were calling me scum before the day even started. Maybe they were trying to get a reaction from me, who knows. One reason I'm not voting there yet though is something I'm not seeing. Yume is very bitter that I fooled her as scum in SU2. A lot of that was because we were in a PT where I was able to try and influence her. So here we are in this game and again we are in a PT together. If they were scum, why not try to return the favor and buddy me? Instead she called me eyeball and hasn't tried to interact with me.
Hm, this along with mastina+yume's scumread on Alisae makes me feel like SD probably is scum
HURT: Shining Dreamers
I believe they're somewhat close to lynch and B&M said they wanted to do things before day end, but just imagine this is a vote

Although this vote has me retract what I just said :/

Gamma back in null.

Posted: **Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:07 am**

In post 2960, Maid Cafe wrote:I was asking you why that post made Gamma town.

~B

And I answered?

I liked his push on Purple Heart not questioning Bryona.

Posted: **Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:08 am**

In post 2940, OnTheMark wrote:I want to see what Bryona makes of Iconeum hopping on but that is a good point Cerb.

Bryona has been pushing me to consider Iconeum and I find it rather telling that both Ico and Skybird are on Shining once someone else votes there but they don’t start it.

I have a strong feeling Mastina is town. This wagon composition on Dreamers is crap.

Is this your question?

Posted: **Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:09 am**

In post 2962, OnTheMark wrote:
In post 2960, Maid Cafe wrote:I was asking you why that post made Gamma town.

~B
And I answered?

I liked his push on Purple Heart not questioning Bryona.

my bad. Lol
I noticed after i reread it before you posted this.

~B

Posted: **Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:10 am**

In post 2939, Reasonably Rational wrote:Oh.

I should probably also mention my distaste for Icon's plans as laid out. Lynch 1 strong player, if they flip town, lynch another strong player that's guiding the game, and then if they flip town, lynch *another* strong/vocal player.

...

Don't care so much about my place in that set of plans, but the SDvPH=TvS with such certainty that he wants to just lynch through the two of them certainly isn't acceptable.

-Cerb

In post 2940, OnTheMark wrote:
I want to see what Bryona makes of Iconeum hopping on but that is a good point Cerb.

Bryona has been pushing me to consider Iconeum and I find it rather telling that both Ico and Skybird are on Shining once someone else votes there but they don’t start it.

I have a strong feeling Mastina is town. This wagon composition on Dreamers is crap.

See the underlined and Cerb’s post for context.

Posted: **Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:10 am**

i'd actually agree that just because a player is "strong" they should not get any special treat or pass.

alisae's #2889 basically permanently concretes their slot as town in my mind. it's also a really solid case on shining dreamers

Posted: **Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:11 am**

Ok. I still don't see a question...

Posted: **Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:13 am**

What do you make of Ico hopping on the wagon and chaining lynches?
What do you make of Taly slot leading the wagon and chaining lynches?

Sorry I guess asking what you think isn’t literally a question *sigh*

Posted: **Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:14 am**

In post 2966, Venmar wrote:i'd actually agree that just because a player is "strong" they should not get any special treat or pass.

I mostly agree with this.
Mainly because "strong" is stupidly hard to determine as well.

~B

Posted: **Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:15 am**

<--- Strong

Posted: **Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:16 am**

Hell yeah.

Posted: **Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:18 am**

Venmar I kinda agree and disagree with the conclusion.

The fact that Alisae of Purple Heart started screaming despite one vote on eisself and I am still working through Skybird’s quote makes me feel like Alisae wants to be townread and believed based on demonstrating a lot of emotion versus the points.

Even the Skybird quote is still all caps. Like when I go through it tonight I know I will have a headache when all said and done.

Posted: **Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:19 am**

Pretty sure Alisae is town which is something I almost never feel about him strongly.
It's usually various degrees of uncertain.

~B

Posted: **Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:21 am**

In post 2973, Maid Cafe wrote:Pretty sure Alisae is town which is something I almost never feel about him strongly.
It's usually various degrees of uncertain.

~B

Funny.

I feel the same thing usually about Alisae but my gut is screaming scum scum scum rather loudly.

If you believe Mastina/Yume is town why aren’t you explaining why to Alisae? I am not because I don’t think Alisae will listen.

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