NY214: Project Pinecone (Game over! Town wins!)

[Gamma Emerald]

My guess from setup spec perspective is Gamma is probscum, but should definitely be left alive til late as he's a source of valuable valuable lunchmeats regardless of alignments.

Uhhmm what are you even saying here

[Gamma Emerald]

Quick question claim wise, did Gemerald claim that the worst killed dram or did the worst claim the kill after Gemerald claimed to know whodoneit?

Firstly it was HitAlt who claimed the result, and it was only claimed that tw did a kill, he said he killed dram

[Gamma Emerald]

Finally someone who refers to me as Harold

I think it's a bad idea to count all innocents as "never lynch", won't there be 2 or 3 or even 4 innos a night if Gamma, Andrius, Ausuka and moi are all alive?

my role isn't hardclearing until scum are mostly gone, for now I can only get "guilties"

[Gamma Emerald]

no but really i already thought of that
VERY unlikely 2 scumteam kills did not go through
unless you are speccing TW as a multiball member

That was the implication, yes. TW would be a wolf.

Oh gosh whyyyyy *facedesks*

[Jingle]

Town loyal would make sense, if your target doesn't get fruit then they're on the other team.

Non Normal, thus impossible.

My guess from setup spec perspective is Gamma is probscum, but should definitely be left alive til late as he's a source of valuable valuable lunchmeats regardless of alignments.

Uhhmm what are you even saying here

Original spec was based on you being tracker/watcher ish or variant. TW linked the claim convo, and now I'm convinced your slot is town unless the worst is groupscum. The ability for you to get guilties on othergroupscum means that even if there was a guilty result on you I'd want to leave you around today at least.

What does "profii is selling himself to the rope" mean?

no but really i already thought of that
VERY unlikely 2 scumteam kills did not go through
unless you are speccing TW as a multiball member

That was the implication, yes. TW would be a wolf.

Oh gosh whyyyyy *facedesks*

Because two teams of three explains our claim situation quite well. It doesn't matter yet though, because the first scumteam (scumteam drama) now needs to take out a member of scumteam Mighty Ducks in order to prevent themselves from being steamrolled. Theworst is pretty much the best shot for them regardless of what his role actually is.

If town, he will continue shooting them. He's already proven himself to have better reads than most this game, and he's not going to be a lynch anytime soon.
If SK, he's going to stick around until they've already lost the game unless they deal with him. He's leashed and working for town and thus we have no reason not to let him put bullet holes in other teams.
If Multiball, they are outnumbered now by the worst's team, which means even if they manage to duck town they lose to being outnumbered in the endgame, and their wincon specifically means no chance of a joint win.

tl;dr- my multiball spec, while important to note in case things change, isn't worth shit for this dayphase. I'm just getting it out there now, because it's an integral part of my understanding of the game and I want to make sure I haven't missed anything important.

[Gamma Emerald]

What does "profii is selling himself to the rope" mean?

arguing for his own lynch basically

[Ausuka]

Town loyal would make sense, if your target doesn't get fruit then they're on the other team.

Town loyal makes sense, yeah. If you mean scum loyal; loyal means your action will only work on a player of the same alignment, not necessarily Town.

Scum loyal fruit Vendor doesn't make sense. Disloyal is kinda weird because you're not gonna be vending your own team anyway. Scum fruit Vendor is probs just that.

Well I guess when you can see the scum Fruit Vendor Role PM pretty easy to make that assessment.

I eagerly await the time either I flip (and Ausuka has to scamble to pretend 2 Town Vendors make sense) or she flips (and I can rub it in everyone’s face).

I mean no-one seems to be even putting any thought into the fact that Town reading Andyslot and Gamma means her role is OP if Town given the scum flip of a Limited Blocker.

wow I guess I'm caught now. after all, there's no possible explanation for understanding how normal games work than having your role PM contain the information.

a worse cop is in no way overpowered in a large game like this. Loyal fruit vendors work in mini games. It should be pretty damn obvious to everyone here that a loyal fruit Vendor is not even remotely overpowered- even with other investigatives- in a game this size.

no but really i already thought of that
VERY unlikely 2 scumteam kills did not go through
unless you are speccing TW as a multiball member

That was the implication, yes. TW would be a wolf.

Oh gosh whyyyyy *facedesks*

?

[Gamma Emerald]

no but really i already thought of that
VERY unlikely 2 scumteam kills did not go through
unless you are speccing TW as a multiball member

That was the implication, yes. TW would be a wolf.

Oh gosh whyyyyy *facedesks*

?

the multiball spec is just not something I want to deal with

[profii]

Multiball makes sense to me

[the worst]

jesters are often capable of juggling many balls
igmeou jingle
(also how is your posting this good and not illegal?)

[Jingle]

It's not illegal if you're in international waters.

[the worst]

of course. it all makes sense now.

[xyzzy]

hey, sorry for not posting anything for a couple days; I was going to do a catchup post last night for the past few pages but I had a pretty nasty fall and was in more of an "oh god I'm bleeding from several places, that's not where the blood goes" mood than a "let's read some posts" mood. reading now.

[xyzzy]

1) no. SK is scum imo and the optimal play for anyone but tw who shot Dram is obviously to stay quiet and shoot tw at night.)

this 100%. treating scum and SK as separate categories is antithetical to the town win con. treating the worst as possible scum is the correct play.

[Skygazer]

oh xyzzy i hope ur okay now ):

Ill be around for deadline stuff tomorrow

[brassherald]

I guess I have to use my vote with the deadline approaching.

VOTE: profii

[xyzzy]

Scum are playing a splendid game by day I guess. There is NO ONE that I'm

confident

they'd flip red.

@Taly: Seriously now.. why am I in your suspects/lynch pool still? And how would my flip help you reconsider your reads? (Hint: To save yourself some effort, just assume I am today's lynch and I flipped GREEN. So what next?)

this post is pretty scummy imo. while it's not bad to not feel confident about anyone for sure being scum (I'm as guilty of that as anyone), the way this is worded with the "scum are doing really well and THAT'S why my reads aren't solid" vibe isn't great

[xyzzy]

Uhhh I might be being stupid but


I think this might be multiball

[Nosferatu]

Nos slot claimed an inno on chicka without full claiming

yeah thats a thing

[xyzzy]

I see zero value in speculating on multiball until we get concrete, explicit evidence that something like that is going on

[Nosferatu]

Nosferatu's posts have been pretty Bad so far and I'm starting to wonder if my Andrius tr was wrong.

yeah i surprisingly haven't had the time to get into this thread, I had college orientation and shit, had to take a math placement exam (flexing that i got placed calc 2 btw) because fuck me. But I will get into this because I don't want to fuck up the place andrius put me in and get lynched for my ineptitude.

(ive never replaced into a slot with good standing tbh)

[the worst]

Werk that towncred

[Nosferatu]

I also don't remember how fruit vendors work so thats something i should read on

i thought they were just useless roles.

[the worst]

They're a meme role originally but the current normal rules have lots of cool modifiers

e.g. loyal fruit vendor only gives fruit to people of the same alignment so can be cleared by fruit receiver claiming first

weak fruit vendor gives a piece of fruit to scum then dies

etc. etc.

[Taly]

the lynchpool is literally Taly's scumpool from earlier and he's made a lot of caselike posts so probably iso him.

oh yeah Taly's epic scumhunting wallposts. BTW I have a small reason to think Taly is town.

Nobody's really challenged or directly engaged with my scumreads this dayphase on a consistent level.

Outside of people either misrepping me and saying that I'm pushing others to sheep me, or people who blandly state that my scumread is

"insert adjective here"

and don't digress much about that, that is.

There's a handful of people that don't do this, but a lot of them are not as active as I am.

That's literally why I've hopped between almost my entire wagon/scumread pool today. I do think I've been alone with gamesolving a good portion of it.