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In post 2965, Parama wrote:

In post 2959, Shadow_step wrote:Not flipping scum. Vote Kagami/Dunn

In post 2960, Shadow_step wrote:

In post 2957, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:No I've said a million times I want a shadow pair flip so I can work from there.

If he flips scum I think much less likely you're scum as the competing wagon.

What happens when I flip town?
Will you accept you are horrible at mafia if you are town?

haha okay screw off
VOTE: Shadow

you pop out of dormancy just to chastise other players for playing badly

when you're literally not playing???

these two posts contribute nothing to the game except to go "ohai i'm not scum you suck if you think i'm scum" which is just

a literal nothing

In post 1659, Shadow_step wrote:Before this post, Kagami gets called out for popping in between. Posting one liners and fucking off. Then this post comes at a convenient time.

I don't understand the MDS scum read.
She initially votes MDS-Jester. Then a lot of vote switching.
As scum its always good to get someone who is not getting scum read a lot lynched first and save the people being widely scum read for later lynches. It's just easier this way.
This feels a lot like that.

In post 2971, mhsmith0 wrote:

In post 2968, Parama wrote:i honestly don't scumread either of you rn

not like perfect strong town reads or anything but there are better lynches

Whis "either of you" here?

In post 2977, Parama wrote:

In post 2971, mhsmith0 wrote:

In post 2968, Parama wrote:i honestly don't scumread either of you rn

not like perfect strong town reads or anything but there are better lynches

Whis "either of you" here?

mds + jester, was replying to the post directly above mine

In post 2949, MiniDeathStar wrote:

In post 2947, Human Sequencer wrote:mds/jester needs to die tomorrow hory shet this is horrible

We can die now. With pleasure. Your face afterwards will be so worth it.

In post 2981, MiniDeathStar wrote:I swear I'm not doing it on purpose.

In post 2976, mhsmith0 wrote:

In post 1659, Shadow_step wrote:Before this post, Kagami gets called out for popping in between. Posting one liners and fucking off. Then this post comes at a convenient time.

I don't understand the MDS scum read.
She initially votes MDS-Jester. Then a lot of vote switching.
As scum its always good to get someone who is not getting scum read a lot lynched first and save the people being widely scum read for later lynches. It's just easier this way.
This feels a lot like that.

Given that you've been called out for popping in and out at convenient times, why is it worse on her end than yours?

Why is vote hopping suspicious? That seems if anything somewhat towny at an early stage, unless you think that she's empty bandwagining and is up to lynch anyone?

I also don't understand your point about pushing to get a non suspect lynched. Obviously it can be convenient to get someone outside the POE "scammed up" or actually mislynched, but why do you think that this is something she'd actually be likelier to do as wolf, as opposed to the town explanation of critically engaging w more players? I feel like if there's good evidence of her reaching to get a tougher mislynch, there'd be more substantive evidence than I've seen; what am I missing there?

In post 2982, mhsmith0 wrote:Fwiw I kidna believe you, still not really sure on jester tho.

Spoiler: :wink:

In post 2355, Shadow_step wrote:Cerb where will you be voting today?

In post 2336, Shadow_step wrote:VOTE: kagami

In post 2357, Shadow_step wrote:I'm sure there is one scum in Kagami/Dunn

Kagami continues to not address my questions

In post 2358, Shadow_step wrote:Then there is this

Spoiler:

In post 2349, MiniDeathStar wrote:

In post 1133, Kagami wrote:VOTE: Jester-Pair

In post 1622, Kagami wrote:VOTE: Shadow Pair

In post 1643, Kagami wrote:VOTE: Gamma pair

In post 1718, Kagami wrote:VOTE: jester pair

In post 2204, Kagami wrote:VOTE: gamma

In post 2227, Kagami wrote:VOTE: No Lynch

That's a lot of hollow votes, and they all happen to be on the safest wagons of the day. The Shadow vote in 1622 is especially interesting because Dunn said Kagami was allegedly townreading that pair at the time.

In post 1152, Kagami wrote:The town-shadow explanation there is that he finds Cerb's behavior odd and was poking at oddities without really thinking through the implications of them, which weighs against the probability that scum-shadow was poking at him in an effort to appear townish and did so in a very clumsy way. I don't think it's quite the smoking gun Parama is making it out to be, but meh.

That was a pretty bad sheeping on the Shadow case and pinged me right away. Funny thing is she had been calling him scummy for a while at that point but not actually voting him.

In post 1152, Kagami wrote:I still don't like jester's early play and I don't have any terribly fuzzy feeling about MDS either. I think scum-MDS would probably have held out for just a bit, but if there was already a pre-established pairing plan, that may have itself looked suspicious. Jester's "In fact I know you do, therefore my question should be: are you brave enough?" bit makes a show of saying "I'm totes going to be sorting you (because I am town)," which is counterproductive to any real attempt to establish a read. I'm treating 17 as a joke, but I find it strange that no one jumped on that. It's exactly the sort of low-hanging-fruit comment that usually attracts a scumread nibble. I'm also concerned that pretty much everyone had jester/mds as some level of scumread, but they didn't get any real attention at dance-start.

I kind of wish I'd noticed this part earlier because that's literally the same sort of nitpicking that made me scumread Jester in the beginning and mhsmith in the middle of Yesterday. FYI: I admitted pre-dance that Jester can read me like an open book. The "brave enough" was obviously a joke playing on that. We were scum together recently and he noticed I was scum before even looking at his role PM. Like literally 2 pages into the game.


Regardless, Kagami's reads started looking suspiciously similar to Dunn's at that point and I voiced my concern, which Dunn agreed with. Then, this happened:

In post 1614, Kagami wrote:@Whoever mentioned read-cloning: my internalization is that dunn's reads followed mine, with mismatches as to who was scummy but general agreement on which pairs were likely to include scum.

"Whoever mentioned my read-cloning" was Dunn. Hi.
Does anyone seriously buy that explanation? Dunn scumreads my pair, so does she. Dunn scumreads Shadow, so does she. Dunn scumreads Gamma, so does she. Dunn thinks Vedith is town, she changes her mind and says he's town after having called him scum. No, Dunn's reads definitely didn't follow Kagami's, it was the opposite.

Before accusing Kagami in the village thread, I asked Jester in private something like (paraphrasing)...

Mini:

Is Dunn easy to fool? I think Kagami's either pocketing him or blindly sheeping his reads (because she *is* transparently agreeing with him)

And he said no, Dunn's a great player as either alignment, so I figured she'd be the one sheeping Dunn and I was right.

By the way Kagami, what happened to this?

In post 1614, Kagami wrote:I would be shocked if gamma and shadow are both town, I'm just unsure who should leave first, since one pair being scum somewhat implies the other town. Part of me wants to channel our charming mod, who would probably just want to lynch them all and let the mod sort them out.

In post 1651, Kagami wrote:HS, I think it's jester-gamma-?, though I don't disagree that shadow pair deserves death regardless of alignment.

Gamma's town. What does that make of Shadow? I thought your townread on that pair depended on Gamma being scum, but you said you'd vote them out "regardless of alignment". Why are you no-lynching right now?

In post 1760, Kagami wrote:I think we should just flip a scummo and work from there.

In post 2227, Kagami wrote:VOTE: No Lynch

Like, feel free to vote me off, but when you see I'm town, this is the lady you need to start looking at. And that includes you, Dunn.

In post 2448, Shadow_step wrote:

In post 2432, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:The dude literally told someone.

In the middle of thread what translated to "Go ahead and leave the dance coward"

If it was literally anyone else who has not been acting like a complete asshole you would've scumread it right?

But no. He plays the "too scummy to be scum" card. And you're like "Shaddddddowwwww-samaaaaaa please shadddddddowwww-sama why are you such a beacon of innocence please say more nice words to me in the PT"

SAD's posts are just sad misreps.

In post 2449, Shadow_step wrote:Notice how SAD has completely ignored HS and Parama's cry outs for a lynch/flip.

I make a single line about asking vedith to leave(he was dead set on doing it anyway). I was confident of a Gamma scum slip ,and hell breaks loose.

In post 2504, Shadow_step wrote:I'm not no lynching because I'm certain there is scum in kagami/dunn

In post 2506, Shadow_step wrote:That's to Cerb who is pro NL.

In post 2579, Shadow_step wrote:

In post 2578, Human Sequencer wrote:Oh yes, of course, my entire case is that shadow scumslipped, that's all it is, and nothing more.
Nice misrep!

What else is there to it?

In post 2746, Shadow_step wrote:

In post 2736, Human Sequencer wrote:alright let's stop the misrep and see where my reads actually are huh?

lock town:
{arthur, parama}

probably town:
{smith, pie, scout, kagami}

unsure:
{dunn, cerb, mds}

scummy scum:
{shadow, mariar, jester}

that leaves a whole six slots to find scum in, and only 4 of them are paired.
are you going to rethink your stance now that you have more detailed information, or do you think 2735 is still a valid post with valid points?

Have you taken issue with one of your lock town voting the other lock town?

In post 2987, Shadow_step wrote:Is*
This is going to be one of my last posts because I don't care anymore.
One scum in kag/dunn
One scum in Mh/pie
Not sure about 3rd scum
Maybe SAD, not sure.

My work is done here. Found the three scum now do what you want.

In post 2975, Shadow_step wrote:

In post 2965, Parama wrote:

In post 2959, Shadow_step wrote:Not flipping scum. Vote Kagami/Dunn

In post 2960, Shadow_step wrote:

In post 2957, Ser Arthur Dayne wrote:No I've said a million times I want a shadow pair flip so I can work from there.

If he flips scum I think much less likely you're scum as the competing wagon.

What happens when I flip town?
Will you accept you are horrible at mafia if you are town?

haha okay screw off
VOTE: Shadow

you pop out of dormancy just to chastise other players for playing badly

when you're literally not playing???

these two posts contribute nothing to the game except to go "ohai i'm not scum you suck if you think i'm scum" which is just

a literal nothing

You mean the same way you were sick of reading posts and just wanted some flips? Yeah this is the same.
I'm very confident of a kagami scum flip ATM and I don't have anything else to say right now.

mhsmith0 wrote:Also, when did Maria tell you that?

In post 2990, mhsmith0 wrote:

In post 2987, Shadow_step wrote:Is*
This is going to be one of my last posts because I don't care anymore.
One scum in kag/dunn
One scum in Mh/pie
Not sure about 3rd scum
Maybe SAD, not sure.

My work is done here. Found the three scum now do what you want.

Anti-spew or OMGUS? Or both?

In post 2993, mhsmith0 wrote:Also, when did Maria tell you that?

In post 2617, MariaR wrote:It's just one that tipped me off cause I'm getting such a emotionless vibe from you you don't feel like you really care for the answer or you're curious it seems just emotionless and cold.

In post 2996, Shadow_step wrote:I'm just making sure my death isn't in vain and town stop derping. You and kagami need death asap.