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Sooo... I'll out one thing and one thing only. I'll let you guys choose. Do you want to know the role I found or who I now 100% town read because of the role I found?

@Comm:

No, and Yes (let's confirm someone, but let's NOT expose their role).

I'll be honest: I haven't exactly “read” anything yet. I just took a quick glance on the jest of it. I do not plan on doing a “proper” full read either; meaning I won't be reading the whole thing post by post and word by word (You guys have broken the record for shit posting %age). I may read some sections thoroughly, but only if I'm prompted to (or feel the need to). This also has to do with the number of replacements that occurred that it's going to cause me a real headache if I tried to track each slot to it's original occupier and their successor(s)). I intend to keep up starting D3 though.

Any questions/remarks?

Now why is Vifam still alive?? Tywin needs to step up as a Town leader and get this lynch over with. James needs to step DOWN his high heels and get in the mix. Nero needs to open his eyes and actually "do a Nero" (I know you CAN). Too bad RC replaced out. I could have worked with him, but Yume is fine too.

There is still a 50% player base that I have never played with before (at least not with these usernames) so it might take us a while to get acquainted, but let's first show respect to each other and try to work with each other.

ok why is RC town?

or his slot rather

In post 2978, Nero Cain wrote:ok why is RC town?

1- Because that's his Town play
2- Because Scum!RC would have NEVER replaced out at this game status. Scum are literally cruising, and he is the "Best Manipulator". All they really need is 2 more mislynches coupled with 2-3 NKs and they'd win it already. You hink it was hard for RC to push for one more mislynch?

I suspect RC didn't ONLY replace out because he was furious. In my mind it had to do with him being the preferred NK target for a number of payers, so he was partially saving the SLOT from being NK'd.

Now please help me lynch Vifam. This is NOT "apahetic" Vifam (you did see that version in our last game together). This is "lying low" Vifam. The fact he got close enough to being lynched on D1 and the day magically ended in a NL should prove to you beyond any doubt that he was being protected by his team. 0-1 Scumsters were on his wagon by the end of the day.

I hate this game lol

Sorry :/

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In post 2980, Almost50 wrote:In my mind it had to do with him being the preferred NK target for a number of payers, so he was partially saving the SLOT from being NK'd.

there are only two killing roles as far as I know. If we assume RC is town why would either mafia or the SK EVER shoot at that big piece of mislynch bait?

Comm is guilty. There is now no reason to delay lynching him.

VOTE: CommKnight

first things first - which one of you got attacked?

Also, Comm, your offer is useless, if you give us who is conf town, you paint target on their back either way, if you just give role, then not much use from it

Note that Comm's offer deliberately precludes him proving that hes actually a rolecop (not that that would prove his alignment). If he just town-confirms someone, that won't show that he knows their role. If he simply states that a role is in the game, there will be no way to disprove it.

In post 2988, James3 wrote:Note that Comm's offer deliberately precludes him proving that hes actually a rolecop (not that that would prove his alignment). If he just town-confirms someone, that won't show that he knows their role. If he simply states that a role is in the game, there will be no way to disprove it.

on top of it, how likely he could find PR N1? And by offering reveal role he admitted it's PR

In post 2989, Ramcius wrote:

In post 2988, James3 wrote:Note that Comm's offer deliberately precludes him proving that hes actually a rolecop (not that that would prove his alignment). If he just town-confirms someone, that won't show that he knows their role. If he simply states that a role is in the game, there will be no way to disprove it.

on top of it, how likely he could find PR N1? And by offering reveal role he admitted it's PR

Let us first define a "Power Role". When you say PR, do you mean anything that is "Not Vanilla"? Or do you reserve the title to actually "Roles that have POWERS"? In my mind, I would not call -say- a Fruit Vendor a PR. Nurse, Deputy, and pretty much any backup role is NOT a PR in my definition until they actually get promoted and take charge of the role itself.

Also, Comm doesn't really need to prove his role. No player in their right minds would fake claim a Role Cop to begin with (your fake claim must be something easy to prove). Also, I have no doubt in his alignment also because of the TIMING of the claim.

Now let's say I'm Mafia, and someone claims ONE SHOT Cop. Why -on the plane- would I even care to counter?? First of all, other than James there were 16 other souls. Assuming 4 Scums that makes it 75% likely James will hit Town. The right play is to let him be and take him out at night. Period.

Even better: Keep your mouth shut (assuming you're Scum and regardless of your role) and see if another TOWN PLAYER counters or even crumbs. Why provide cover for "another investigative" by claiming (or fake claiming) yourself, when you had everything under your control.

Let me say it again: If I was Scum, and REGARDLESS of my role, James comes out and claims 1-X Cop, and I will embrace it to my heart in waits for someone else to CC. If it happens I have TWO Town PRs who willingly gave me their roles w/o me even saying a word, and I have the choice to take either of them out silently. If nobody steps up, then James is probably confirmed Cop, and I will take him out anyway, without having to claim ANYTHING.

Now let's consider the opposite. Let's ASSUME James is Scum an is fake claiming. He lives to D3, and his team tries to kill Comm a night. hey fail, he claims a guilty on Comm, Comm gets lynched, and James is the default lynchee of D4 (first Mafia player caught). Meanwhile, Mafia have already mislynched 2 (including a Role Cop) and killed 2 (taking into account the delay of kills, which is now compensated by an NK on N1 and no kills on N2).

Now I'm NOT accusing James of being Scum. All I'm saying is if we consider the timing and nature of both claims and if we assumed there's definitely one Scum in these two it'd be much more likely the 1-X Cop and not the RC. However, I think they are both Town TBF.

Finally, due to having 2 full days of VCs (and today being the third) with Vifam being on the focal point of both days, there's MUCH more info to be gained from his lynch (even if he flips green, which he won't), while lynching Comm now gives us next to nothing.

VOTE: Vifam

@Ramcius:

How do you even know he didn't check JAMES?? and how do you know he DID find a Pr and not just testing o see who wants to know what so as to reevaluate his reads based on the info he got? Your attitude is that of a reckless scumster. You seem to have dropped your guard and go too confident this Town is too blind to see anymore. You -and your team- have got this game by the neck.

@Nero:

Don't be silly. We're NOT lynching Yume before she gets to play in the game. Period. This has nothing even to do with reads. Let's give the girl a chance to PLAY.

In post 2984, Nero Cain wrote:

In post 2980, Almost50 wrote:In my mind it had to do with him being the preferred NK target for a number of payers, so he was partially saving the SLOT from being NK'd.

there are only two killing roles as far as I know. If we assume RC is town why would either mafia or the SK EVER shoot at that big piece of mislynch bait?

1- Because it was RC, and you and I both know how hard it is to get him lynched.
2- Because they don't know what ROLE he had. For all we know he could be the Vigilante (he did recommend a Vig shot on you, but he left before it was time for him to submit the action).

If I' ever Scum (of any alignment) in a game with RC, I do NOT want him alive by D2. EVER. I would probably shoot him over anyone else in the game.

@Tywin:

Can you work with me on this? From my skim I go he feeling you were the only player trying to play "Mafia" and not shove in your emotions in the middle. Everybody else is being emotional (or faking it) or is pursuing a "wild guess" that they're bending every rule for it to be "falsely" the case.

@Vifam:

You stay and you fight like a man. Even if I'm wrong about you, you should be taking to me. Quitting doesn't make you a great player, and -frankly- I would have expected MUCH more from you regardless of your alignment.

FTR; I'm Town reading Nero, but -just for the sake of argument- if I had came out shouting he was Scum and we should lynch him; do you think he would have requested a replace-out? Replacing out is for sissies if not done for genuine RL issues. It's only a game, you know, so PLAY THE GAME YOU SIGNED Up TO PLAY!

In post 2990, Almost50 wrote:

In post 2989, Ramcius wrote:

In post 2988, James3 wrote:Note that Comm's offer deliberately precludes him proving that hes actually a rolecop (not that that would prove his alignment). If he just town-confirms someone, that won't show that he knows their role. If he simply states that a role is in the game, there will be no way to disprove it.

on top of it, how likely he could find PR N1? And by offering reveal role he admitted it's PR

Let us first define a "Power Role". When you say PR, do you mean anything that is "Not Vanilla"? Or do you reserve the title to actually "Roles that have POWERS"? In my mind, I would not call -say- a Fruit Vendor a PR. Nurse, Deputy, and pretty much any backup role is NOT a PR in my definition until they actually get promoted and take charge of the role itself.

Also, Comm doesn't really need to prove his role. No player in their right minds would fake claim a Role Cop to begin with (your fake claim must be something easy to prove). Also, I have no doubt in his alignment also because of the TIMING of the claim.

Now let's say I'm Mafia, and someone claims ONE SHOT Cop. Why -on the plane- would I even care to counter?? First of all, other than James there were 16 other souls. Assuming 4 Scums that makes it 75% likely James will hit Town. The right play is to let him be and take him out at night. Period.

Even better: Keep your mouth shut (assuming you're Scum and regardless of your role) and see if another TOWN PLAYER counters or even crumbs. Why provide cover for "another investigative" by claiming (or fake claiming) yourself, when you had everything under your control.

Let me say it again: If I was Scum, and REGARDLESS of my role, James comes out and claims 1-X Cop, and I will embrace it to my heart in waits for someone else to CC. If it happens I have TWO Town PRs who willingly gave me their roles w/o me even saying a word, and I have the choice to take either of them out silently. If nobody steps up, then James is probably confirmed Cop, and I will take him out anyway, without having to claim ANYTHING.

Now let's consider the opposite. Let's ASSUME James is Scum an is fake claiming. He lives to D3, and his team tries to kill Comm a night. hey fail, he claims a guilty on Comm, Comm gets lynched, and James is the default lynchee of D4 (first Mafia player caught). Meanwhile, Mafia have already mislynched 2 (including a Role Cop) and killed 2 (taking into account the delay of kills, which is now compensated by an NK on N1 and no kills on N2).

Now I'm NOT accusing James of being Scum. All I'm saying is if we consider the timing and nature of both claims and if we assumed there's definitely one Scum in these two it'd be much more likely the 1-X Cop and not the RC. However, I think they are both Town TBF.

Finally, due to having 2 full days of VCs (and today being the third) with Vifam being on the focal point of both days, there's MUCH more info to be gained from his lynch (even if he flips green, which he won't), while lynching Comm now gives us next to nothing.

VOTE: Vifam

as PR i say not vanilla, getting vanilla would have no reason to ask us if we want hear what role he got, and game not bastard, so

I'm not going lynch Comm, i'm on him since his claim D1, but he never was on my lynch list, neither he is now, just his plays are awkward, i kinda agree with you as mafia wouldn't claim rolecop, but then again, why town claim it early D1 to counter obv fakeclaim? Considering we might have strongman in play, that not brightest idea, on D2 he wanted James lynched, when James said he checked Comm, also Comm said he will be confirmed town, if he will find town and that town will confirm his night result, all in all, i have no reason trust Comm with what he done this game yet, i was thinking he's mafia rolecop, but today he gave impression like he not rolecop at all

i would like vote wifam, but voting empty slot seems wrong

P-edit:

here we go, it took not long to call me scum considering i was pushing your top SR since D1, yet i couldn't get that lynch due insane resistance, i was defending RC against all those knuckleheads, i was pushing Comm since his claim, honestly i have no idea why i'm still alive, thx for making my day and reading a bit more of tread would be helpful

[quote="In [url=http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 7#p8900267]I think they are both Town TBF.[/quote]

Apparently you didn't read my post. I got a guilty result on Comm. He is confirmed scum.

Yeah, James and Comm aren't both town.
Why the hell didn't James wait until after Comm revealed a result before claiming the guilty?

In post 2976, CommKnight wrote:Sooo... I'll out one thing and one thing only. I'll let you guys choose. Do you want to know the role I found or who I now 100% town read because of the role I found?

obv we want the townread

In post 2996, James3 wrote:Apparently you didn't read my post. I got a guilty result on Comm. He is confirmed scum.

So, what you're saying is:

1- You ARE a Cop. A Normal Cop. That was NOT a fake claim.
2- You checked Comm and he returned a GUILTY.
3- Scum are so stupid they let you live for two days and two nights o return a guilty on the one and only player you were ever going to check. I mean, even Stevie Wonder could see who you were going to use your one-shot on. It was both "a personal thing" as well as "the right thing to do".

Your result could mean we have a Framer or a Redirector in play. Framer however is no normal (but is it BASTARD??) while redirector classification is unclear on the wiki.

Tell me something: Did your mod-provided PM say "Comm is.." or did it say "Your target is.."??