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Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:12 pm
by Moongrass
In post 2974, OkaPoka wrote:why creature over one in ddl/mbaki?
Because of his disingenuous voting pattern, and x-shot claim.

I think there is higher scum equity in the Oka/Creature problem. DDL/mbaki can wait until the bad claims are resolved.

I'm still really liking an Oka/mbaki team. But that may need to wait because Creature will be too deep at Lylo.

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:14 pm
by OkaPoka
i mean ur going to have to explain more than that because i tr creature still

i dont think there is a high scum equity in me/creature

i do think it needs to be one of ddl/mbaki

thoughts?

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:18 pm
by Moongrass
DDL and mbaki have both reached L-1 today no problem. You and Creature on the other hand seem to have inexplicable resistance going on around your wagons.

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:19 pm
by Moongrass
@Oka: which is preferable for you out of DDL/mbaki?

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:20 pm
by OkaPoka
which indicates?

@moongrass honestly im leaning mbaki now because self hammer threat

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:20 pm
by OkaPoka
like the more i think about it, the more the self hammer threat is just ????

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:22 pm
by Moongrass
In post 2979, OkaPoka wrote:which indicates?
That scum doesn't care about lynching either mbaki or DDL.

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:23 pm
by OkaPoka
i dont see how that is relevant to alignment sorting or even accurate?

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:24 pm
by OkaPoka
u need to break this down like u broke down why you thought varsoon is town

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:27 pm
by Moongrass
In post 2982, OkaPoka wrote:i dont see how that is relevant to alignment sorting or even accurate?
It's not really relevant today.

Ok. So, self-voting is the scummiest thing you can find aside from Varsoon?

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:29 pm
by OkaPoka
about mbaki?

selfvoting and threatening to self hammer are def the scummiest things i find

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:29 pm
by mbaki
I am officially locking Varsoon as town for the remainder of the game after reflecting. GF asleep on my right arm so no lengthy left hand mobile post.

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:30 pm
by mbaki
In post 2985, OkaPoka wrote:about mbaki?

selfvoting and threatening to self hammer are def the scummiest things i find
It was not a threat.

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:30 pm
by OkaPoka
I don't know if crumbs should be used after what happened to vorkuta

Mbaki does AtE a lot, and it works i guess. But threatening to self hammer is really a form of AtE and so is self voting.

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:32 pm
by OkaPoka
maybe its creature but if creature flips town then u guys line up to me and then we lose

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:35 pm
by OkaPoka
which is why lynching creature today is no good because it would have to be an absolute certainty lynch

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:36 pm
by OkaPoka
at least one in ddl/mbaki moves the game along and resolves something

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:37 pm
by Moongrass
Then have reads that make sense so we don't lose? You've been on every mislynch.

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:37 pm
by OkaPoka
VOTE: mbaki

do this please

or ddl

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:42 pm
by Moongrass
In post 2986, mbaki wrote:GF asleep on my right arm so no lengthy left hand mobile post.
You know you play too much mafia when you have to reread this sentence 3 times before it says Girlfriend instead of GodFather.

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:23 pm
by DrDolittle
I want a mbaki lynch. If mbaki is green, it's probably gg since the next hammer is on me, although I'll try my best to fight it, but in the mbaki green flip I have no inklink on who is scum. Maybe kmd? I find it hard to believe a creature/oka team. It's a pretty bold move to claim two pr that similar in nature.

At night I want creature to commute and varsoon to verify. If inconsistent, lynch Creature then Varsoon for solve. If consistent, I'm more likely to push Oka I think.

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:36 pm
by mbaki
But then Varsoon would know what result to fake... what?

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:57 pm
by Moongrass
In post 2995, DrDolittle wrote:At night I want creature to commute and varsoon to verify. If inconsistent, lynch Creature then Varsoon for solve. If consistent, I'm more likely to push Oka I think.
DDL, if Varsoon is a Voyeur, then he only sees actions performed on his target. Not the action the target took...and even then, Creature is a commuter, nothing can target him when he uses the action.

This is why at least one of Creature/Oka must be scum as these roles seem strange with a Voyeur, or Follower. Town is weak enough with a UB/Voyeur/Follower, so a role like ascetic would only serve to weaken town further. On the other hand it would have positive utility as a goon modifier against what I think are the 3 true town PRs. I think commuter is more likely to be town, however the x-shot doesn't line up with the UB.

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2019 11:40 pm
by Moongrass
Moon - Follower
Varsoon - Universal backup --> Voyeur
Creature - 2-shot Commuter
Oka - ascetic
Kmd - VT
Mbaki - VT
DDL - VT

Creature thinks that both scum are in the VTs. We've had 4 VTs and our Voyeur die so far.

Assuming 3 scum - 3 PRs make sense no?

@Varsoon: you have solid modding experience, what do you think?

Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:34 am
by DrDolittle
In post 2997, Moongrass wrote:DDL, if Varsoon is a Voyeur, then he only sees actions performed on his target. Not the action the target took...and even then, Creature is a commuter, nothing can target him when he uses the action.
yeah I wonder whether creature is even commuter. Scum-commuter makes little sense imo
so I want to see whether varsoon gets a no result