Mini Normal 2058 (Endgame)

[Ankamius]

VOTE: Dunnstral

[Yachting n Socializing]

Well bnh and Tarkus are the only slots I've ever felt were town while I've been in the game so far

Dunnstral looks sketchy

VOTE: Dunnstral

Is this your implied response to my response re: my case, or unrelated? Cause I was expecting / hoping to talk about that more.

Dunn/SS/Vorkuta is looking like the team atm?

I don't think scum would be looking to bus morality in this situation and it wouldn't surprise me if this was a "last ditch" effort to try to brute force mislynch for two replaceins with a near completely absent partner

It makes more sense than morality being scum and just about everyone pushing him anyways

On SS' play alone I would probably be suspecting that slot, but look at the stuff around the modkill please. I don't think Shoshin subbing like that is v likely to be scum.


NGL Ank, I'm a little suspicious of you, but the Dunn vote makes you very likely town as scum has no reason to bus him there regardless of who their partner(s) is(/are).

[Yachting n Socializing]

this is actually a neat scenario thanks to Morality's claim and SS' claim. hold please.

[Yachting n Socializing]

I might need to retract my solve. Gonna go to work now, I'll update after.

[Yachting n Socializing]

oh and Snow definitely more likely than one of SS / Vorkuta

[Ankamius]

NGL Ank, I'm a little suspicious of you, but the Dunn vote makes you very likely town as scum has no reason to bus him there regardless of who their partner(s) is(/are).

I think it's going to be ultimately useless if I try to read this game, I historically can't get reads any better from RC-led games whether I'm there or read through it back, and it's pretty obvious just from him having almost 800 posts that it's well past that point this game.

So I'd rather look to sort people and fit this dichotomy into a solve I build from there because I'm finding it ridiculous to humor it enough to solve directly.

[Ankamius]

I even quoted the wrong thing

Great job

[Yachting n Socializing]

My comment was meant to imply I wanted a direct response to my response to your response to my response ><

[Yachting n Socializing]

I find it very unlikely there's 4 scum, but there's no chance a scum team with 4 scum would ever claim that as its essentially gamethrowing. Ergo, either its Morality + a partner or 3 people not Morality. And I do also believe town would have to be informed there was 4 scum, because its very rare in a 13p game... which fits with the theme of the game from what I can tell.

If there's 2 scum alive, LyLo is at 5p, in the unlikely event there's 3 scum, LyLo is at 7p. Ergo, if we mislynch twice and Morality is still alive, that means they're conf scum and we lynch them. This would be at either 5p or 3p depending if we hit the partner. So, optimal play is probably to not lynch Morality or SS here. Any town blocking role should not target SS or Morality. If both are town, scum are forced to keep blocking SS or let him get more results AND risk him targeting Morality again. I don't believe both being scum is a realistic possibility. If Morality is town, SS might be scum, but he's forced to keep faking results because otherwise he confirms he could have been roleblocked and his "guilty" is invalidated. If Morality is scum, he's caught via bad claim.

This could be the day before LyLo so theoretically its time to mass claim, but deadline is soon and I don't think we have time, and a partial mass claim is horrendous for town. We should massclaim tomorrow regardless of what alignment we hit today.

Personally, I disqualify Snow as he only fits as a partner for Dunn, so the lynch pool imo is Ank, Tarkus, Vorkuta, Dunn (and myself technically but I know I'm town). Snow and even SS could be scum, but its suboptimal to lynch them. Dunn is my clear favorite there.

[Yachting n Socializing]

VOTE: Dunnstral

I know SS / Ank / Morality are all experienced, is there any issue with that plan?

[Ankamius]

Is this your implied response to my response re: my case, or unrelated? Cause I was expecting / hoping to talk about that more.

It's unrelated

[Yachting n Socializing]

Did you read the modkill stuff?

And if there are any objections to my plan I need to know asap to move my vote to Morality / SS (the former in all odds), as I may not be around tomorrow.

[Ankamius]

I'm not necessarily opposed to the plan, I just want more confident townreads to work from since that will help me contextualize the rest of the game so I can work out where the scum are from there

I have not read the mod kill stuff at this moment no

[Ankamius]

Atm I have an iffy townread on my neighbor... but that's it

Can you help me sort YellowSnow?

[Ankamius]

Btw I prefer the Dunnstral vote but mainly because I'm most sure he's scum

I find the eagerness to sort this mess today on the scummy side actually

[Yachting n Socializing]

Atm I have an iffy townread on my neighbor... but that's it

Can you help me sort YellowSnow?

Either twtbw or just w, lol. The primary person townreading them was RC who unilaterally declared him town and refused to discuss that read or negotiate on it. He was pretty much always a top town for RC. So my logic is, if Dunn flips town (he won't) then RC had some sort of metaread on the slot he didn't want to disclose (I've had those before), and its probably town. If Dunn flips scum, then RC was hard defending his buddy just as he did to Mastina in team mafia. Either way, I'm relying on that Dunn flip to sort the slot, because I find it scummy on play. The IC said they're town today and d1 a few people had them as townish iirc, though not sure how many of those were related to just sheeping RC.

[Yachting n Socializing]

I'm not necessarily opposed to the plan, I just want more confident townreads to work from since that will help me contextualize the rest of the game so I can work out where the scum are from there

I have not read the mod kill stuff at this moment no

Day 2 is very short and if you're town you're doing yourself a huge disservice by not at least reading that. I think it spews Shoshin slot as town, and I have been wrong on angleshot reads like this ya, but it is rare and I'm usually right.

[Yachting n Socializing]

I hard tunnelled Vorkuta in our last game but looking back after his flip he was obv town, so learn from your mistakes etc. His play here feels genuine and I don't quite know if its fakeable as newb scum, I cited specific stuff earlier if you wanna chec my iso but I'm in lecture rn and don't really have time.

And finally, Morality / RC are both dominant scum players and I had them as my solve with CoA at one point, so lynching dunn resolves pretty much everything to me. I was gonna say I didn't really feel that anymore, but Dunn voting Tarkus drew attention to that for me so idfk. I think what's going on here is whoever's town is playing badly and whoever's scum is also playing not great, and the result is a pretty dead and confusing game.

Ank, what makes you town read me? I remember you scumreading me in most of the games we've played together I think, though correct me if I'm wrong, so what's the difference?

[Yachting n Socializing]

there are 3 replacements this thread should be full of life fucks up

[Ankamius]

I hard tunnelled Vorkuta in our last game but looking back after his flip he was obv town, so learn from your mistakes etc. His play here feels genuine and I don't quite know if its fakeable as newb scum, I cited specific stuff earlier if you wanna chec my iso but I'm in lecture rn and don't really have time.

And finally, Morality / RC are both dominant scum players and I had them as my solve with CoA at one point, so lynching dunn resolves pretty much everything to me. I was gonna say I didn't really feel that anymore, but Dunn voting Tarkus drew attention to that for me so idfk. I think what's going on here is whoever's town is playing badly and whoever's scum is also playing not great, and the result is a pretty dead and confusing game.

Ank, what makes you town read me? I remember you scumreading me in most of the games we've played together I think, though correct me if I'm wrong, so what's the difference?

In Necromancer, I think I always had you in my "idk how to sort this person" list more than anything else; you weren't as obvtown as Nancy/Zito/ActionDan, but you weren't obvscum like Kokichi/brass. I spent most of the game trying to find the elusive third scum after everyone converted to the kokichi/brass-scum mindset :V

In Police Academy, that was just more too many people being obvtown and schadd_ being scummy, you just made the most sense as a partner for almost50/gorkington :/

this game, I can tell you don't have a scummy mindset; most of the people I'm seeing in this game have an agenda-style mindset where they're focusing on small things and tunneling them or just outright not posting entirely; the fact that you're having more of a broad reach and trying to get people to do more than what they're already doing rings town when scum really don't need to put themselves on a pedestal like that in order to have a good shot this game. It's essentially a gamestate read that I don't need a read on the gamestate itself to be able to reach. Plus, as a bonus, the way you've handled reading my slot since I replaced in was blatantly town

[YellowSnow]

I could go for a Dunn Lynch.

[Ankamius]

btw just for full transparency

the thing I'm somewhat townreading Tarkus for is his stating that I pinged him because I didn't post creature's reads

that struck me as a town thought process

[Aurathebirb]

What are the odds that SS saw Moralities troll claim on day one and took it seriously?

More solid on Vorkuta as scum now. Probably should think about associations and stuff too I guess but eh

[Aurathebirb]

Dunn woulnd't be terrible tho

[Morality]

VOTE: Vorkuta

Guess it’s between Dunn and Vorkuta today.

I prefer Vorkuta.