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Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:51 pm**

alright i'm gonna sleep

i'll work through the thread and share thoughts sometime tomorrow

if you wanna reread in the meantime, that's fien

i will ask for your thoughts when i'm done

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:12 pm**

In post 2972, Extrapolated Eagle wrote:Sure.

I'm not lynching xtoxm right now, though, nor am I reading your case atm.

@ank read this as soon as you wake up

let's plow through the thread together. lemme know when you have the chance. if you won't be able to somewhat early in the morning, lemme know and i'll do it when i wake up or after work tomorrow or something. I have uncertainties on the alignment of your slot and I wanna work through conftowning you, so when you get the chance i'd like to work through the thread skimming every 20 pages or so and then catching each other up on thought processes and such. this way i can track what you're thinking and we can both develop reads

how does that sound?

yeah that would help me re-engage into the game

ngl I'm really not looking forward to reading through whatever shitshow day 2 was

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:39 pm**

In post 2974, Vedith wrote:VOTE: Xtoxm

More reason to not vote xtoxm.

Posted: **Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:59 pm**

Why.. they're not scum together

Posted: **Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:14 am**

In post 2934, NerfedBuJ wrote:I know you said not 100 percent here but what made you lose the townread?

you are right - I forgot about your little case. PoR should be likely town.

Posted: **Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:19 am**

I thought we agreed on that xtoxm is town because of the whole grapes interaction (outlined below)...

In post 558, Xtoxm wrote:
In post 549, grapes wrote:re; https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10785600

Alisae it feels a bit early for you give up trying to read me altogether?
I understand that grapes are inanimate objects but I am not.
Why the blind faith in xtom?

Cuz now that it's relevant and I'm thinking about it the couple games I've played with him was him-scum me-town... and gameboy advance mafia where he
lead a mislynch
on me...

VOTE: xtoxm

From GBA mafia:
In post 827, Xtoxm wrote:idk about grapes. he's doing all the right things. refusing to claim though.

if he's scum he's good at fake towning.

In post 1136, Xtoxm wrote:anyway sorry grapes if you were town but it all points at you.

we have a fair amount circumstantial evidence for fire + knuckles being town. strong evidence for everyone else being town. i'm pretty much a counterclaim to you and town seems kinda OP if you're real.

grapes (4): Firebringer, Knuckles, Davsto,
Xtoxm
[LYNCH!]
Davsto (1) grapes
Not Voting: Vedith, Aj The Epic

With 7 votes, 4 to lynch
I don't know how in your world a hammer vote equates to leading a mislynch.

In post 740, Xtoxm wrote:
In post 588, grapes wrote:
In post 558, Xtoxm wrote:I don't know how in your world a hammer vote equates to leading a mislynch.
Gonna be honest here I was going from memory and forgot I was a utility lynch (maybe because to this day I still don't really understand why it happened :p)

but after going through your iso there you never really came around to town-reading me (matter of fact you thought I was scum most of the game) until i started viciously flailing about to get lynched as a cop mad close to EG (and even then you ultimately ended up voting me so even there I'm being too forgiving)

So... why exactly do you think you can read me?
i was going from memory too
i did think you looked very townie
lynched you in the end for role reasons
it gives me a baseline of what you are capable of as town
the 3 post thing was also entirely sarcastic if that wasnt obvious

hi jingle

Posted: **Wed Mar 27, 2019 4:08 am**

In post 2915, Liger_Zero wrote:
In post 2909, mcqueen wrote:holy shit i just realized how many people got replaced. Why did Shoshin, Lycan, and Gamma all get replaced?
Where you at? It seems like you are further behind than me, and I just replaced in a day ago and haven't read day 1 or even most of day 2.

i popped in day 1, got sick part of day 2 and didnt keep up. Havent read early d1/most of d2

Posted: **Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:39 am**

In post 2934, NerfedBuJ wrote:
In post 1410, DrDolittle wrote:@buj. I get your analogy now. Sorry for calling it crap I just didnt understand it previously, but now I think I agree with it, although not to 100 percent certainty.
I know you said not 100 percent here but what made you lose the townread?

@Jingle - let me get this straight, Ali is an amazing town player, and an amazing scum player but if e goes at it hard e's scum and if e doesn't e's town? Wouldn't such a polar meta make her bad at both alignments?

I love when people try to use disinterest as a town tell but don't accept it when others use it as a scum tell.

E rolled shitty partners and er good friend replaced out of the game. E doesn't think E can win and E isn't having any fun, and the playerlist has changed. I think I'm right in saying that Ali is a player that takes playerlist into account when she joins games, so it makes sense that replacements could affect er mood and it's NAI. In this game there is 0 indication that she's town. You want to tear my scum case apart go right ahead and give it a try. Disagree with me. But don't fool yourself into thinking she has towntold. A bloody nullread is more believable.

You're kinda missing the whole point. Alisae was scum in Stellaris at the same time she was playing this game. At the same time as FA was here, Ali was shooting FA in the other game. At the same time the whole Shoshin drama was happening, Joan of Arc drama was happening in Stellaris. And, through all of this, her motivation and energy here is way way way less than it was there.

Admittedly, it's not a perfect comparison. There's a lot more setup information to go over in that game. She had Junko as a scum PT partner, and they talked a lot. But the difference in motivation is more stark than I would expect given that the difference in playerlist boils down to one friend.

Also, the loltunnel on me when the only thing Ali's seen of me is mod thread and people saying I'm good is >>rand town, but :shrug:

0% interested in an Ali lynch here.

Posted: **Wed Mar 27, 2019 6:40 am**

In post 2919, DrDolittle wrote:Here's roughly where I am at:

Town
Dannflor replaced DoubtingThomas
Reiuji Utsuho
Xtoxm *
Karmeleon *
NerfedBuJ
Extrapolated Eagle
Alisae

Null
Prince of Renais replaced PvtUrist
mcqueen
MaxwellPuckett replaced Clemency *
Liger_Zero replaced Gamma Emerald **

Scummy
Jingle replaced Frozen Angel
Vedith
Ankamius replaced Lycanfire *

This looks fake AF.

Posted: **Wed Mar 27, 2019 7:43 am**

Somebody do me a math and tell me how many mislynches we have right now, assuming that we are one horrible horrible towngroup and keeps mislynching every day starting now while magically managing to not lynch any of the doused people.

Posted: **Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:04 am**

5 at the absolute worst case scenario

Posted: **Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:07 am**

Posted: **Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:20 am**

@Ank

I'm here and I'm reading through the first 20 pages now.

Lemme know when you're done and we'll compare thoughts.

Posted: **Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:20 am**

alright I'll start reading

Posted: **Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:07 am**

I hit the selfvote

do I need to continue since the next 10-15 pages are mostly complaining about it?

Posted: **Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:11 am**

uhhhh don't worry about it

I just skimmed those pages ... i think big points to look at are dt/xtoxm reactions to the self-vote and subsequent response wagons

Posted: **Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:21 am**

Spoiler: thought process - warning page size doubles

Posted: **Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:22 am**

lemme know when you're caught up and ready, ank

Posted: **Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:26 am**

I remember something Xtoxm did originally pinged really town but that response indicates otherwise? the way he completed ignored the self-vote thing and then only commented on the policy lynch thing before vanishing again could come from scum that doesn't quite know how to respond to the sudden drama convincingly, the DT vote is... interesting though, DT is a lot scummier than shoshin in this exchange but it looks like the opposite in the moment so him specifically going that direction looks better in hindsight for me

DT's posting towards the beginning of the game is gross in general, but specifically 304 and 315 are pretty bad, plus the blowup afterwards was a level of extreme that looked fake

FA is firmly town from how she joins the Shoshin wagon and her general thoughts on it
alisae's early posting around this time generally fits a town mindset
reiuji's posts on page 9 are reasonably town

Posted: **Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:27 am**

Have you played w/ FA before and how much?

Posted: **Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:28 am**

I played with FA in heroes wanted, she was obvtown day 1

Posted: **Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:28 am**

yoink

Posted: **Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:29 am**

In post 2994, Enter wrote:Have you played w/ FA before and how much?

Oops.

In post 2995, Ankamius wrote:I played with FA in heroes wanted, she was obvtown day 1

Alright, I'll trust you for now on that read.

Ankamius wrote:yoink

Oh, thanks

Posted: **Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:30 am**

In post 2993, Ankamius wrote:DT is a lot scummier than shoshin in this exchange but it looks like the opposite in the moment so him specifically going that direction looks better in hindsight for me

rephrase this, please

Posted: **Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:33 am**

even without knowing Shoshin is town already, she looks a lot more town to me than DT does

but in the moment where that was current, emotions were high enough that it looked flipped

Xtoxm voting for DT instead of going along with the Shoshin wagon has a much better look in hindsight with that scenario in mind (as a reference, grapes voted the shoshin wagon afterwards with a really sketchy justification)

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