[i am of the same opinion with regards to Noraabear being drafted. Wonder what Murder thinks of this now]
[It's not exactly the same -- you are slamming her for "Terrible casing / lack of analysis", which is a bit different from blatant omgus, but still.]
[I think it is worth noting Noraa was absolutely forced into scumcasing you in Death Curse -- it was a 1v1 situation. Her resulting case was not great, likely as a result of that. here she doesn't have to do that. Additionally, 2514 and 2524 are really not the same as that Death Curse Xylo. Those two posts are meant to quote your read progression on BM and highlight why it makes you and BM have partner equity. I don't really think it's a standalone case for you being scum. Sure it's mostly quoting and summarizing, but i dont think the point was to scumcase you.]
[So clearly Murder wasn't planning this from the very start of the game, at least that much is evident. I see that he generally had Noraabear as townleaning]
[And here we go. as a refresher:]
[As you might recall, I had weird feelings from this post too. It felt jarring when i read it. I don't know how to describe it. To clarify now though -- this one post is not going to make me think Noraabear is scum, it's not *that* bad. It was just odd enough to make me reevaluate Noraabear for a little while.]
In post 2069, MURDERCAT wrote:
I'm kinda nothing reading you because to be honest you haven't been around much. If you continue to solve then I'll reconsider the slot but for now I'm going of Noraa content and I have reason to believe she's scum for it. I'm still not going to get into it unless Pooky asks for it.
[What was the point of holding off?]
In post 2183, MURDERCAT wrote: In post 2176, Polar Bear Express wrote: In post 2172, MURDERCAT wrote:BM I think you basically have to go at some point this game for multiple reasons. I'd rather do Noraa first but I think you probably need to go some time and you won't get NK'd. If you are town I empathize with your position but it really seemed like you were softing to me.
why do I need to go first?
you are the third person to say you empathize with him after Norwee and I.
why do you feel the need to make sure everyone knows you were dead set that he was softing?
I think I see why Gloria didn't like you that much.
-nornor
I don't even know what to say to this lol
[Noraabear isn't exactly responding with detailed analysis to scumread Murder, to be fair.]
In post 2280, MURDERCAT wrote:Well I will be posting a Noraa case if Pooky wants it.
Though maybe it is just fine to do it, I'm not sure if there is supposed to be more with BM or not?
In post 2294, MURDERCAT wrote:
Lol did you even read the games or are you just gunna link my 4 year old isos?
[I think Norrabear are forcing a scumread on Murdercat here and I am starting to become sympathetic with murdercat interpreting this as a scumtell from them as it is reminiscent of endgame Death Curse, sure.]
In post 2307, MURDERCAT wrote:
Yeah you linked a 4 year old game, said nothing about it, and linked death curse.
What in that game is like what I am doing in this game?
[It's like, yeah -- linking stuff and not saying much else is similar to what Noraa did endgame in Death Curse. She's not automatically scum for it though -- and you yourself pointed out that blatant weak OMGUS isn't a reason to scumread Noraa. Also, why would scum!Noraa feel the need to OMGUS you over town!noraa exactly? She
had
to do it in Death Curse, there was no choice. Here she could do whatever she wants and she's choosing to OMGUS but still doesnt really have to. like there's no pressure on Noraa to fake a case here -- and that's exactly why I think the case in Death Curse was so weak. Here it is
easily
driven by emotion or gut pings or whatever]
[But I see the similarity. It's not inconceivable to me that town!Murdercat sees this as scummy. Continuing]
In post 2488, MURDERCAT wrote:@Pooky
Should I do the Noraa thing or should we let the solstice thing happen. Because there's like gunna be like 50 pages of ate from Noraa once I do it.
Also like, you know I'm town right? And what I'm doing? Because I want you to trust me on this Noraa case, I don't want it turned around on me.
[I really am starting to lean in the direction that Murder is for real. i don't think scum!him hard pushing town!Noraa is really going to give that great of a payoff.]
In post 2535, MURDERCAT wrote:Noraa we talked about this you can't just quote my iso you have to give reasons why it's scummy
[This is a direct quote from Death Curse i believe]
In post 2541, MURDERCAT wrote:I am reading your posts and giving them about as much thought as I am giving FLs.
Thanks for the content though, this is exactly what I was hoping for.
[WARNING: THIS READ NEVER WORKS BUT I TRY IT ANYWAY]
[i feel like Murder is being a bit of a dick here if he's scum into town!Noraa, because this behaviour towards her isn't justified at all. like he has to actually believe he has the right to ignore her posts in order for this to not be a dick move in his eyes. BUt this read doesnt fucking work like i would think it would so whatever. Okay it works sometimes but not enough for me to be satisfied with it.]
[It's like -- he says something mean if Noraa is town, but he is so sure that she isn't, that he then proceeds to call her post where obviously her feelings are a bit hurt by it a "perspective slip". like lol]
[I see that
1845 still produces a great visceral reaction deep in murdercat's gut (presumably)]
In post 2608, MURDERCAT wrote:Every time
you talk to Noraa
without giving a read on her
I get closer to voting you
[Reminds me of Murder getting overconfident he has the solve D1 in Death Curse. Eerily so. is it more likely he is aware of that play and tries to emulate it, or that he is simply just playing similarly? probably the latter]
[I mean.. he did what he said he was gonna do.]
In post 2830, Bell wrote:He slow rolled his read of noraa to today. It's like watching someone preparing for the batting box in the deck circle. He's lining it up.
You could argue it's trejectory instead but iso him halfway at the end of the day and tell me you don't see it.
[Bell, you kinda describe it like he was subtle about it, or maybe I misunderstood. But Murdercat basically was yelling Noraabear is scum for the entire second half of D1, which i don't necessarily find scummy I guess. I don't interpret it as scum trying to be consistent because I feel like it'd look the same as either alignment, at the very least? this is like what i'd expect him to do either way.]
[Made it. there are a few reasons I don't think Murder is being disingenuous here..]
[A.) Shared initial bad feelings towards
1845]
[B.) Noraabear's response to his push is mostly weak OMGUS to be fair, and some parts do resemble Noraa's endgame play in Death Curse. I do
not
interpret this as scummy for her, however]
[C.) For better or for worse, the overconfidence in Noraabear being scum is just what I observed from Murdercat in Death Curse. Like he was pretty much basing his opinion on BM off of Noraa.]
[D.) I shouldn't believe in this stuff but I feel like he was being too mean to Noraa if he doesn't actually believe they're hard scum.]
[and most important E.) With regards to Bell's point that he's been lining up the Noraa push. Yes, he set the precedent for today -- it was clear this is what he was going to do. However, I don't see how that is necessarily scummy. How do you differentiate this from a townie having a strong vanity scumread D1 -> casing them overnight -> come out swinging D2? There was no subtlety to this behaviour from Murdercat, as well, like he said he was gonna do this and he did it. If Bell's point is that Murdercat kinda strategically laid back on casing Noraa until now, then I guess that is something i'm curious about. I'm not really sure what the point of holding off on saying why he thought Noraabear is scummy was, and I can see why Bell would interpret this as scummy. I see that Murdercat says it was because he wanted to let Pooky do his thing first.]
[so that's where I'm at. I ended up sticking with my initial reaction, but I am much more solid on Noraabear!town now, and I do feel that this is a real case from Murder, although I don't give that the same degree of certainty I give the Noraa read.]
[I would very much like to hear more about
Bell
's interpretation of Murder's Noraabear progression if possible as we have reached opposite conclusions. It is possible I misunderstood what you meant by "slowrolling" the read.]
[I also have a question for
Murdercat
: How does giving your reasoning for Noraabear being scum on D1
impede Pooky's ability to work? (like how you held off in
2069)]
~Morning
