Mini 2230: Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night: Game Over

[Lukewarm]

Hello.

I am here, and I am sorry.

My first thought on the Titus flip was that I was going to cry my self to sleep that night. My second thought was that we probably should have let her full claim+ flavor claim before we hammered here

I have not read anything from this day phase, and probably won't be able to look at it super closely for the next couple days. I am actively trying to finish packing, and tomorrow I am moving, and then the following day unpacking. So... I should probably put myself in VLA.

There was one progression on Titus that stood out to me during the night phase, and I wanted to bring it up. Here is Penguin's progression. The final post was penguin's pov as posted by cabd, but the first two were written by penguin

[Lukewarm]

Titus: Nothing in Titus's ISO feels town to me. There's a disproportionate reliance on the mechanic that I don't like on Day One, and while I make allowance for the weekend, I don't feel like there's any attempt to get into the game from a solving perspective. I don't buy the 'OMG game has so many pages' thing partially because she was quite critical of the idea of page limits in my Warehouse 13 game. To me, that implies being fine with Day One rambling on from a game perspective. She's also avoiding really mixing it up with anyone, and I don't feel like it's coming from a town place. More of a 'keep head down, shove the problem down the line, and see where I can jump later' thing that comes from a scum playbook.

VOTE: Titus

No, this isn't a fun vote, but it's where I think scum is living, and I'm more interested in cutting down scum numbers (especially since I suspect that if she's scum she isn't demonized yet) than having brilliant insights.

--PA

Getting into the Titus material now.

I think 2343 is the most complete breakdown of it. And damned if I don't agree. Cabd is out on site visits today, but I know he thought your case was laid out well but hadn't read it (we had a fun night where I woke up screaming in pain in the middle of the night, it's a thing, and he said you'd posted about Titus). I think I see what you're seeing, and it reminds me of the same potential feelings of shame I have for a very old game, NY161, where someone claimed a cop guilty result, we eliminated the result for a town flip, and then somehow got talked into giving him another chance with ANOTHER claimed guilty the next day to the same town flip result. No, we didn't do it a third time, but it was too little too late for the town. I feel like the way this Titus timeline goes down, we're looking at having to use the shards town does control Day One and Day Two to power her up, all for the chance we get a confirmed town on her slot. Assuming scum doesn't block her, kill her target (by Night Two with three players out and up to three scum alive, they might be looking at only a six player pool for killing her purported target. And if she crumbs, that helps them too. What happens when Day Three hits and we don't have that promised confirmed-town-Titus? Do we give her another chance? Or do we eliminate her, knowing that we gave her the two shards it takes for her to count as a demon regardless of alignment?

(snip)

3) The Titus case is persuasive. The big question I have is why she actually cut off her 'gambit' where she did with her wagon. We're dismissed as a justified vote on her, but Pooky is the one and only fish she thinks she caught before pulling in her bait. I realize that people scum reading us can easily dismiss it as a partner interaction, but it doesn't track from my knowledge, so what's her motivation?

--PA

P-edit: looks like there's time to consider the Titus case anyways. Sharding should be decided before anyone gets to L-2, I would say.

I sincerely hope penguin is wrong but she thinks that titus flips town, despite everything.

[Here There Be Dragons]

medea scum telling the truth about their role is my best guess at the moment

[Here There Be Dragons]

oh, i missed the bit of 2384 where she says the case is persuasive, that makes even less sense

[Here There Be Dragons]

it's ok luke you did good

[Annie Edison]

I’ll be back in a bit

Happy anniversary matey Medea!

[unwnd]

Don't beat yourself up, mate

Being wrong is temporary, that's just added growth

Taking risks (especially on D1) is what it's all about

[Dunnstral]

medea scum telling the truth about their role is my best guess at the moment

Big red x

[Here There Be Dragons]

medea scum telling the truth about their role is my best guess at the moment

Big red x

thanks for that constructive input as always

[Dunnstral]

LLD is probably a town protective that didn't like medea claim

[unwnd]

Dunnstral/Medea have pretty much attached each other to the hip. Their only way out of lack of death is playing the second wincon. I'm not saying anything revolutionary but

We'll come back to it if both of them are still kicking by the time the demon count has hit high

[Annie Edison]

LLD is probably a town protective that didn't like medea claim

Uhhhh ffery

Is this pinging you too or am I crazy

[Snarky Fishes]

medea scum telling the truth about their role is my best guess at the moment

current thoughts on pooky?

[Here There Be Dragons]

medea scum telling the truth about their role is my best guess at the moment

current thoughts on pooky?

i'm thinking about voting there

[Snarky Fishes]

LLD is probably a town protective that didn't like medea claim

Uhhhh ffery

Is this pinging you too or am I crazy

It pings that he said it out loud.

[Annie Edison]

Yeah. I feel like it’s a really weird mistake to come out of Dunn town who knows how this playerlist tears into crumbs

[Dunnstral]

LLD is probably a town protective that didn't like medea claim

Uhhhh ffery

Is this pinging you too or am I crazy

It pings that he said it out loud.

She basically claimed it today, no?

[Dunnstral]

No one died Night 1.

[!]

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This seems pretty unambiguous

[Annie Edison]

That’s not how I interpreted it at all

[Snarky Fishes]

without claiming a target?

ehhh.

[Here There Be Dragons]

seems very ambiguous. i think bulletproof claim seems a lot more likely from just that post and i'm still not sure what she's saying

[Lady Lambdadelta]

seems very ambiguous. i think bulletproof claim seems a lot more likely from just that post and i'm still not sure what she's saying

[Dunnstral]

I don't think I made a mistake because scum are sort of locked into handing out shards anyway, because that's presumably what they did night 1. And LLD was advertising in bold letters so I assumed this was open info.

[Annie Edison]

Rhea are you a demon? Was that the purpose of your post?

[Dunnstral]

It looks like they're claiming Hider