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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 1:57 pm
by skitter30
In post 2911, skitter30 wrote: In post 2730, catboi wrote:Would be exceptionally curious to hear why because I found basically nothing in his posting that you should be giving the benefit of the doubt to
- i can understand the perspective that he's behind and htat it's hard to provide real-time perspective given that (and that it must be rather *difficult* to catch up to the extent he wants given the pace of the game this whole game)
- idk if he hangs out in thread as he is rn as scum
- idk if he keeps telling people to vote one of himself/flow as scum to get an eod wagon
basically this +
- i think long-term he's more likely to be readable than flow
- i feel bad for badgering him so much (which you're gonna scoff at but it is what it is)
i would vote sleepless to ensure a wagon goes thru eod fwiw
pedit fair enuf
like i said before i would be down to do midway now as well
Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 1:57 pm
by Faker
I see now, 2911. That will suffice, sorry skitter.
Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 1:57 pm
by Faker
And you already restated it, doubly sorry.
Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 1:59 pm
by Faker
Do you feel midway will be harder to read than Sleepless Assassin in the longrun?
Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 1:59 pm
by skitter30
yes
Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 2:01 pm
by innocentvillager
VOTE: midwaybear
Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 2:03 pm
by innocentvillager
In post 2936, northsidegal wrote: In post 2929, Datisi wrote:wouldn't it be really funny if these two wagons were both town and midway was scum and we were just wasting our time here
i think it would be
it would be a painful kind of funny, yeah.
it's really not that unlikely
Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 2:03 pm
by skitter30
VOTE: midwaybear
caveat for this is that i need him to claim prior to deadline since he's higher up in the draft, if that doesn't look likely i'm switching back
Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 2:05 pm
by Sleepless Assassin
In post 2970, Faker wrote:You've spoken about this as a practical matter, end-all ban on voting not-you & not-flow.
For the sake of humoring us, can you discuss your actual reads on the slot instead, without a necessity to vote them today attached?
You give two lines on midway, utilizing one quote, in your initial wall suggesting he is town for feeling solvey. The readwall in
1860 mentions going back and forth; this does not make it into your ISO elsewhere.
For Cakez, you don't weigh in at all in the
initial wall. In the
1860 readswall, you mention that he seems town for his posts. The only other post that weighs in on Cakez is
2928, which again seems to be very vague and tonal. At one point you also mention never seeing him as scum, and
2578 just gives a brief "still town" read without further explanation.
You just referenced my answer to your own question. Midway I was lightly scumreading early on but came around and now say town. Sircakez has always been a weaker town read.
Faker wrote:
Working through your ISO, really not a fan again. You dodge many slots wholesale and flow is the only player you've gone to bat on recently, knowing well in advance how coinflippy of a player he is.
I've actually never played with flow trap.
Faker wrote:
I want to visit the innocentvillager scumread and how it progresses. You went to bat against them earlier, but a brief leads me to it cools into interactions much more selfserving.
Yes it cooled significantly. You're correct.
catboi wrote:
Meh. Resistance arguments mean absolutely nothing to me and are rarely actually meaningful
They can be useful after a scum flip if you can pinpoint who was resisting.
Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 2:05 pm
by innocentvillager
In post 2925, Andante wrote:there is too much resistance to a sleepless vote here for sleepless to be town
there is too much resistance to a midway vote here for midway to be town
Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 2:05 pm
by Sleepless Assassin
Ugh why are we even voting midway
Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 2:06 pm
by Datisi
there is too much resistance to a datisi vote here for datisi to be town
literally nobody is voting him wtf
Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 2:06 pm
by Faker
You know he is a coinflip because the spammy/jokey posts you are citing as the primary reason to scumread him has been repeatedly affirmed to be his meta and NAI at worst. One player you have gone out of your way to interact with and clearly respect deeply has cited it as a towntell for flow trap.
None of this has deterred you.
I am determined to see you flip.
Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 2:07 pm
by Datisi
in all of my mafia career, a last-minute flashwagon hit scum ONCE
but it was such a high that i can't help but want to do it again
Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 2:07 pm
by midwaybear
Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 2:09 pm
by Sleepless Assassin
Look at midways handling of the two wagons.
He had a gut town read on flow, saw the wagon and went "meh maybe I could vote there" but stuck to the gut read and voted me instead. That's a natural thought process. That's not scum with an agenda.
Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 2:10 pm
by skitter30
ugh idk upon further reflection if midway is town this is a bad idea
Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 2:11 pm
by midwaybear
That's not even my thought process. I don't townread flow anymore.
Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 2:11 pm
by Datisi
is this not true for literally every single wagon in every game of mafia ever?
Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 2:12 pm
by innocentvillager
In post 2990, Sleepless Assassin wrote:Look at midways handling of the two wagons.
He had a gut town read on flow, saw the wagon and went "meh maybe I could vote there" but stuck to the gut read and voted me instead. That's a natural thought process. That's not scum with an agenda.
scum can fake whatever thought process they want if both you and flow are town
and if flow is town isn't that a great excuse to posture around ultimately voting you?
Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 2:13 pm
by midwaybear
@Sleepless sorry if I sound frustrated at you. Your insistence on wanting to die just makes me think you are scum faking it lol
Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 2:13 pm
by Sleepless Assassin
I'm just saying the trajectory flows. I can see where you land on me instead of the guy your gut had as town early on.
Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 2:13 pm
by Sleepless Assassin
In post 2995, midwaybear wrote:@Sleepless sorry if I sound frustrated at you. Your insistence on wanting to die just makes me think you are scum faking it lol
I don't want to die. I want flow to die.
Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 2:13 pm
by Faker
I'm taking a break to focus on collating the ISO from Sleepless. I'll review Midway and Datisi later.
Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2022 2:14 pm
by Sleepless Assassin
In a perfect world, we eliminate flow, he flips scum, and I get cleared by a power role and carry us to back to back scum eliminations for a town win.