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Post Post #300 (ISO) » Mon Jun 08, 2009 7:36 am

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EBWOP:

....Um. Alright. Kise, investigate like VP said. We don't tell you who. Especially with a one-shot, chances of mafia influencing the investigation is too great and we don't want that.
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Post Post #301 (ISO) » Mon Jun 08, 2009 8:21 am

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Right.
Oh, sod, my last content post was P11. Didn't realise I'd strayed back that far. My apologies.
camn wrote:I think it is time for a good old fashioned lurker-lynch.
I actually agree with this.
From what I've seen, I'm fairly convinced of Josh's guilty, and a replacement will only bugger up any previous reads and mean we have to start over.
Kise, 278 wrote:It's best if we don't put words in people's mouth.. I'd rather hear this direct from Kid & VP.
Starbuck, 279 wrote:You actually think that the mafia are gonna tell you what they are thinking?
Surely the whole point of the game is to find what people think and then try and deduce and problems or scumtells from this?

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Kise wrote:I was hoping Alex would answer first, but since you're online, who should I investigate? It's a 1-shot day ability. I guess Stef considers me the epitome of inspection, so in an ironic move, he gave me that kind of mechanic, lol.
Woah, woah. Interesting ability.
I won't say who you should investigate. Just go for who you think.
Kid wrote:Why are we hammering someone who hasn't claimed exactly? And why the need to include "drunk post"? To me, that makes it seem like you could be as blunt as you want and just later say "I was drunk, so it's really fine. I didn't mean it."

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This is a fair point. Whilst it may seem a little OTT, posting drunk is probably a bad idea anyway as it might balls up logic or throw any metas of that player out the window for that post, making it tricky to get a read.
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Post Post #302 (ISO) » Mon Jun 08, 2009 8:35 am

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I love posting while drinking!

I usually make a note of it so people will forgive any typos.
I try and avoid typos.
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Post Post #303 (ISO) » Mon Jun 08, 2009 9:10 am

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Starbuck wrote: Yes, I did. I was trying to catch up. Vote for who you think is scum, that's how the game works. If you think that I'm the scummiest, I expect you to vote for me. If not, then I expect you to vote for whoever else you think is.
So.... You don't feel the need to defend yourself? Ok. I have no reason to change my vote then. Explaining things is a pro-town thing to do... Ignoring them because you avoid any more slip ups... is scummy.
starbuck wrote: Kise was repeatedly asked about his experience. He kept referring to his VAST offsite experience and the only thing he wrote about in his Wiki at that point was one newbie game on MS. He didn't give any type of links within the thread to his games offsite. Now his Wiki reflects it.
First time I've heard that not having an updated wiki is a scumtell.... :roll:

VP Baltar KEPT asking him about his experience. That's why Kise kept repeating himself. He gave reasons to avoid that particular question and you decided to find that scummy.
camn wrote: I was MILDLY trying to lay a trap.
I actually assumed that I was the only one.. and maybe I could get a scum fake-something... since I knew I was going to claim it anyway.
It didn't really occur to me that there might be more than one. Meh.
I understand... Not the greatest play ever but I've tried to pull similar - unsuccessful stunts in the past.
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alexhans wrote:Come on mole... It's called fishing for reactions... Don't try to make it look worst than it actually is.
Fishing for reactions is fine.
Trying to goad people into responding in a certain way, perhaps one that would make them look scummy, is not.
So you don't believe that town players may arm traps?
VP Baltar wrote: I said we should lynch Taranski? Quotes please.
Well... I assume that cheerleading for someone's waggon should Imply that you don't disagree with their lynch... Or do you think that someone who doesn't log in MS will hear an alarm bell if he is at L-1?


VP Baltar wrote:awww, will you pick out my dress? :)
Sure... But only if I get an invitation. :P
VP Baltar wrote:Ok, I'm quickly noticing in your post that you are spending a lot of time coaching Kise. Why is that? There is more than one instance where you tell him what the 'proper' play would be...which suggests that under normal circumstances you would find what he did to be scummy. Why the free pass?
Because I'm reading his personality similarly to the reads I have on players like Zwets, Wall-e and some others... reckless players that become easy mislynches for scum to pull. And Kise, as opposed to Zwets or Wall-e, is a frantic poster wich will make it easy to catch him if he is scum. So I'd rather coach him to be pro-town than ignore my gut and lynch him for mild scum tells that may be tied to his personality.

That's why I separated him in my analysys and said that he was a special case.



alex wrote:That's it ... I think I might've found SCUM. You hate lurkers but waggon her and not on taranksi for instance?
HoS: Josh
While I'm pro-Josh hate, I have to call you on this one. Weren't you just busting my chops over voting Taranski on like page 2? I have a feeling that if he
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voted Taranski there you would have found him just as suspicious, if not more. It's a lose-lose situation.

I don't know if you noticed by acknowledged his reason for choosing skitz over taranski... But that doesn't mean I have to delete what I thought... I make my notes as I read and they stay.

Josh had been scummy for a while before that vote anyway:
His push on kise for the hypothetical question and later for the experience thing... Then he went on a farfetched explanation that lead to an implicit conclusion that scumhunting was bad because townies could lie when pressured... :roll: Then said that a townie would claim scum...

VP Baltar wrote: It just wouldn't happen. Second, You're accusing me of rolefishing under the premise that he himself could be a cop.
No. Because when someone rolefishes they always gain information. They can get a claim (cop, townie, etc) or they can get a denial (wich means that they have less people to choose from).
VP Baltar wrote:Keep in mind, I'm not the one who brought up the cop at all. If he's the cop, then it was an awful play because there was no reason to say what he did in the first place.
Yes. But the pro-town thing to do is shut your mouth when you think you might give dangerous info to scum.
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And what do you expect him to tell you? yes, I am a godfather??? not enough. It seems that you people don't worry about outing power roles.
Where did I say I expected him to claim godfather? I said a godfather is a type of scum role where the scum would assume there to be an investigative role. You disagree with that logic?
If you had asked me that when I started playing in MS I might've answered yes... but I've seen more than one game with a godfather and no cop so... No.
VP Baltar wrote:And again, no I don't feel that the conversation was bordering anywhere near outing powerroles. Give people a bit of credit sometimes.
I REALLY, don't see the benefit of speculating about the setup or talking about PRs on D1. I think it can be very damaging. Sorry if I come off to strong but I feel the need to say what I think.
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Kise wrote:@alex - If you could find out whether 1 particular person was townie or mafia (besides me), who would it be?
Dude... this sure looks like rolefishing... If I hadn't skimmed the thread and noted that you had a day inspection I would've yelled at you...
I would go for camn or Starbucks... I think. Or someone who I have no read on... like Imaginality or mole.
camn wrote: wow! It works!
I'm putting Lyman at L-1 now.

I am tired of today, and I am tired of his lurking.
I think it is time for a good old fashioned lurker-lynch.
So you just lynch him for lurking? You think the ones who are voting him or willing to vote him do it for his lurking?
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Kise wrote:But no one is telling me exactly HOW I endangered the PR's. Please explain.
This is only my speculation, but probably because now the mafia may have you ruled out as a PR, so that's one less person for the PR's to hide behind.
Well. That goes for ALL rolefishers here. Some may be town some may be scum... but they all helped scum.
Kise wrote:It's best if we don't put words in people's mouth.. I'd rather hear this direct from Kid & VP.
Starbuck wrote:You actually think that the mafia are gonna tell you what they are thinking?
EXCUUUUUSE ME??? So Kid and VP are scum? Are you voting any of them?
camn wrote: Look how much nonsense-time has been spent talking about it. It is NOT helpful as far as finding scum is concerned.. which is why it is a bad idea.
QFT
camn wrote: Can someone hammer Lyman and we can all think about things overnight, while basking in the awesomeness of a lurker-scum-lynch?

PS . . ^^drunk post
mmmmmmmmm.... I DONT like this. At ALL. You put him at L-1 with your 2 votes. Then you push for the hammer and say at the same time that it's a drunk post??? WTF?
VP Baltar wrote:There has been so much idiotic setup speculation this game it's making it nigh impossible to actually get conversation that can lead to finding scum going.
May I remind you something...?
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molestargazer wrote:Why do you assume we HAVE a cop?
QFT.
You and mole started this.
camn wrote:Well, ME, of course..

thought I can't imagine you are SANE..

Or Josh Lyman?
Or whoever you think is scummiest.
wow... Camn YELLS for more minuses... The fact that she says herself although she doubts his sanity is SUPER weird. Then she says: inspect he who is about to be lynched... Waste it... And later she gives the answer she should've given (as town) in the first place.

In my wildest dreams... A replacement would come for Josh and we would lynch camn or starbucks...

Inspect someone Kise! We could use the info.
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Post Post #304 (ISO) » Mon Jun 08, 2009 9:12 am

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Josh Lyman wrote:Hi, all -- I'm here; not exactly lurking,
That is a lie. Other people can shout "hypocrisy" here, but I'm not denying it like he is.
Kise wrote:@Platy - In every game I am town, I usually say something to that effect. Even if you're Godfather, you're not immune to the LD. But if I am mafia, then I watch what I say because I don't want to get caught slipping.
Are you serious? This has to be the biggest meta tell ever. Now your probably going to have to in every game to avoid scrutiny over this.
imaginality wrote:What's the current vote count?
I find this very slightly suspicious. camn (i think) has said that she now has an extra vote, but before she said that, imaginality said the above statement well after the mod posted the Special Mechanic thing. I'm thinking that imaginality may have something to do with it as well.
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Post Post #305 (ISO) » Mon Jun 08, 2009 9:16 am

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VP Baltar wrote:then I'll crush him.
Just seems like an odd word choice to me. Any reason you chose 'crush' over 'hammer'?
Kise wrote:I was hoping Alex would answer first, but since you're online, who should I investigate? It's a 1-shot day ability.
As others have said, go with your gut.
camn wrote:thought I can't imagine you are SANE..
I would imagine a 1-time investigation would be sane, otherwise it just hurts the town rather than help.

I'm still happy with my Josh vote. He hasn't done anything for me to unvote.

I'm going out, I will read the Alex and skitzer posts when I get back.
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Post Post #306 (ISO) » Mon Jun 08, 2009 9:24 am

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molestargazer wrote:
Kise, 278 wrote:It's best if we don't put words in people's mouth.. I'd rather hear this direct from Kid & VP.
Starbuck, 279 wrote:You actually think that the mafia are gonna tell you what they are thinking?
Surely the whole point of the game is to find what people think and then try and deduce and problems or scumtells from this?

FoS: Starbuck
It's quite funny that you left out the conversation that lead up to this post and took it completely out of context.


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Starbuck wrote: Yes, I did. I was trying to catch up. Vote for who you think is scum, that's how the game works. If you think that I'm the scummiest, I expect you to vote for me. If not, then I expect you to vote for whoever else you think is.
So.... You don't feel the need to defend yourself? Ok. I have no reason to change my vote then. Explaining things is a pro-town thing to do... Ignoring them because you avoid any more slip ups... is scummy.
I have defended myself. Read farther on.

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starbuck wrote: Kise was repeatedly asked about his experience. He kept referring to his VAST offsite experience and the only thing he wrote about in his Wiki at that point was one newbie game on MS. He didn't give any type of links within the thread to his games offsite. Now his Wiki reflects it.
First time I've heard that not having an updated wiki is a scumtell.... :roll:

VP Baltar KEPT asking him about his experience. That's why Kise kept repeating himself. He gave reasons to avoid that particular question and you decided to find that scummy.
You talk about not putting words in other people's mouths and then you go ahead and do it. I never said not having a Wiki was a scumtell. I said that not telling the whole truth about your experience is. Like when you are asked for links from a previous site, you give them, rather than be shady about it or give bogus reasons why you cannot.

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Kise wrote:It's best if we don't put words in people's mouth.. I'd rather hear this direct from Kid & VP.
Starbuck wrote:You actually think that the mafia are gonna tell you what they are thinking?
EXCUUUUUSE ME??? So Kid and VP are scum? Are you voting any of them?
Did I say Kid or VP? No. I said THE MAFIA. Follow your own advice please.
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Post Post #307 (ISO) » Mon Jun 08, 2009 9:27 am

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Starbuck wrote:It's quite funny that you left out the conversation that lead up to this post and took it completely out of context.
Funny how I'm reading it now and still don't quite see why my post took you out of context.

Please explain.
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Post Post #308 (ISO) » Mon Jun 08, 2009 10:14 am

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Starbuck to mole wrote:It's quite funny that you left out the conversation that lead up to this post and took it completely out of context.
This isn't true. It's totally within context.
Starbuck wrote:I have defended myself. Read farther on.
You haven't. Read back. You're starting to try to defend yourself now.
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starbuck wrote: Kise was repeatedly asked about his experience. He kept referring to his VAST offsite experience and the only thing he wrote about in his Wiki at that point was one newbie game on MS. He didn't give any type of links within the thread to his games offsite. Now his Wiki reflects it.
First time I've heard that not having an updated wiki is a scumtell.... :roll:

VP Baltar KEPT asking him about his experience. That's why Kise kept repeating himself. He gave reasons to avoid that particular question and you decided to find that scummy.
You talk about not putting words in other people's mouths and then you go ahead and do it. I never said not having a Wiki was a scumtell. I said that not telling the whole truth about your experience is. Like when you are asked for links from a previous site, you give them, rather than be shady about it or give bogus reasons why you cannot.
First. When did I say what about putting words in people's mouths? (that was Kise, I think) Then... You voted Kise for not telling you his experience and not having an updated wiki. THERE'S NO WAY AROUND IT. He CLEARLY explained why he didn't want to disclose his experience. You cant weasel your way out of this one.
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alexhans wrote:
Kise wrote:It's best if we don't put words in people's mouth.. I'd rather hear this direct from Kid & VP.
Starbuck wrote:You actually think that the mafia are gonna tell you what they are thinking?
EXCUUUUUSE ME??? So Kid and VP are scum? Are you voting any of them?
Did I say Kid or VP? No. I said THE MAFIA. Follow your own advice please.
IS it so hard to read the quote you're quoting? Why did you say what you said at that time then? totally isolated and right after their names had been called?
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Post Post #309 (ISO) » Mon Jun 08, 2009 10:32 am

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I'll continue to read what you say, but until you stop twisting my words around and taking them out of context, I feel no need to reply to you.

You haven't seemed to have followed the discussion at all and are grasping at straws.

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Post Post #310 (ISO) » Mon Jun 08, 2009 10:53 am

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Starbuck wrote:I'll continue to read what you say, but until you stop twisting my words around and taking them out of context, I feel no need to reply to you.

You haven't seemed to have followed the discussion at all and are grasping at straws.

FoS: alexhans
OMGUS FOS! :lol:

Do you think I'm scummy or are you just scared?

You FEEL NO NEED to reply to me? Good defense... :roll:

I believe I've followed the discussion much more than you did so quit BSing.
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Post Post #311 (ISO) » Mon Jun 08, 2009 11:11 am

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Woah, this is too much to read right now. I'm here for a second, but I don't have time to read through all I missed.
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Post Post #312 (ISO) » Mon Jun 08, 2009 11:43 am

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Just so you all know....I've jumped on the drinking while posting bandwagon. It was a rough day.
alex wrote:VP Baltar KEPT asking him about his experience.
I did? Please quote. I asked him once and when he said he didn't want to I said I didn't agree, but I could understand his reasoning.
alex wrote:Well... I assume that cheerleading for someone's waggon should Imply that you don't disagree with their lynch... Or do you think that someone who doesn't log in MS will hear an alarm bell if he is at L-1?
You're very much exaggerating this. Taranski was not anywhere near L-1, nor would he have been likely to reach that. Also, just because someone is not posting does not mean they are not reading the thread *cough*mole*cough*
alex wrote:And Kise, as opposed to Zwets or Wall-e, is a frantic poster
heh, have you played with zwet? [off-topic]Where is he anyhow? Haven't seen him post anywhere in awhile.[/off-topic]
alex wrote:His push on kise for the hypothetical question and later for the experience thing... Then he went on a farfetched explanation that lead to an implicit conclusion that scumhunting was bad because townies could lie when pressured... Then said that a townie would claim scum...
I agree...I was just pointing out that your one point was bad.
alex wrote:You and mole started this.
Yeah, you're right. We acted like there certainly was a cop in this set up first. I bet we also speculated about a lie detector first too. :roll: I suggest you start being a bit more objective in your analysis.
alex wrote:And later she gives the answer she should've given (as town) in the first place.
Waaaiiiit, didn't you just give specific suggestions to Kise as to who you think he should investigate?
alex wrote:I would go for camn or Starbucks... I think. Or someone who I have no read on... like Imaginality or mole.
Hey! look at that, you did.
Alex, can you explain to me why camn is a better lynch than Josh?
skitzer wrote:I find this very slightly suspicious. camn (i think) has said that she now has an extra vote, but before she said that, imaginality said the above statement well after the mod posted the Special Mechanic thing. I'm thinking that imaginality may have something to do with it as well.
What? Does any of your scum hunting not involve conspiracy theories? Why would he as scum ask for a vote count before camn had received a double vote and had a chance to use it? What benefit would that have to scum?
PD wrote:Just seems like an odd word choice to me. Any reason you chose 'crush' over 'hammer'?
I...just...did? what is your point here?
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Post Post #313 (ISO) » Mon Jun 08, 2009 1:21 pm

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I don't like your tone, alexhans.
It makes me grumpy.

You should work on it.

It's not scummy, its just annoying.
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Post Post #314 (ISO) » Mon Jun 08, 2009 1:56 pm

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alex wrote:Well... I assume that cheerleading for someone's waggon should Imply that you don't disagree with their lynch... Or do you think that someone who doesn't log in MS will hear an alarm bell if he is at L-1?
You're very much exaggerating this. Taranski was not anywhere near L-1, nor would he have been likely to reach that. Also, just because someone is not posting does not mean they are not reading the thread *cough*mole*cough*
well... I think you're the one overreacting but you DID push his waggon.
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alex wrote:And Kise, as opposed to Zwets or Wall-e, is a frantic poster
heh, have you played with zwet? [off-topic]Where is he anyhow? Haven't seen him post anywhere in awhile.[/off-topic]
Yes, I have and YOU too (WITH ME) and also in a pie7 game (he was town and I was scum, we mislynched him D1).
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alex wrote:You and mole started this.
Yeah, you're right. We acted like there certainly was a cop in this set up first. I bet we also speculated about a lie detector first too. :roll: I suggest you start being a bit more objective in your analysis.
I started playing in another forum and he is acting like he came from one of those forums... assuming cops are gonna be in the setup... thinking about lie detectors... (very common outside MS). I'm not specially pointing to you guys but we know what you did and what you didn't do. And we know what Kise did too.
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alex wrote:And later she gives the answer she should've given (as town) in the first place.
Waaaiiiit, didn't you just give specific suggestions to Kise as to who you think he should investigate?
Yes. But look at the way in wich she gives the advice...
1) Inspect her
2) doubt his sanity (just in case)
3) Or inspect Josh (who is getting probably lynched)
4) or anyone...
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alex wrote:I would go for camn or Starbucks... I think. Or someone who I have no read on... like Imaginality or mole.
Hey! look at that, you did.
So?
VP Baltar wrote:Alex, can you explain to me why camn is a better lynch than Josh?
She is better because she will be harder to lynch and is acting scummy.
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camn wrote:I don't like your tone, alexhans.
It makes me grumpy.

You should work on it.

It's not scummy, its just annoying.
Actually. I've just noticed that I've been venting my recent real life frustration through mafiascum... I'll work on it.
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Post Post #315 (ISO) » Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:05 pm

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alexhans wrote:I would go for camn or Starbucks... I think. Or someone who I have no read on... like Imaginality or mole.
I went with mole since he was also one of the 1st to question me about my mention of "The PR That We Shall Not Mention Evar, Evar Again." He's innocent.. And as much as I want to leave it at that, we shouldn't rule out the possibility of a Marlon Brando/Al Pacino(8-)). If I did get an insane reading as camn thought, then that'd certainly be screwed up, considering everyone would then turn on me if I lead a mislynch. So for now, the enigmatic molester (stargazer***) is cleared(?), and the rest of us are still suspects.

Lyman's scumminess isn't as strong to me as Buck or camn's, but we need progression. If anyone is online, I want you to know that I am about to make the final (I think?) vote against him. If you have any objections, say so within the next hour or else MC Hammer will put him away.
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Post Post #316 (ISO) » Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:08 pm

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Kise wrote:Marlon Brando/Al Pacino
Is it also taboo if I said the rolename instead of the actors that played in the movie based off the same name?
They have escaped into the mansion where they thought it was safe.

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Post Post #317 (ISO) » Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:13 pm

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No objections... can I beat you to it? :P

One thing that would've been ok for camn to say was that the investigation COULD be insane because we were in a looney house... but she didnt...

anyway. I have a neutral read on mole so I take no conclusions from this, or at least some minimal town points for mole.
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Post Post #318 (ISO) » Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:13 pm

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Kise wrote:Lyman's scumminess isn't as strong to me as Buck or camn's, but we need progression. If anyone is online, I want you to know that I am about to make the final (I think?) vote against him.
I think I unvoted him as well, but I'm cool with his lynch. I'm a little uneasy by your willingness to lynch someone who isn't your top pick though, especially when we aren't exactly facing a deadline.
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Post Post #319 (ISO) » Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:14 pm

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EBWOP: and by that I mean I'd most likely hammer after you answer my question.
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Post Post #320 (ISO) » Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:16 pm

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We can lynch camn this day phase. I only said I was going to vote for Josh because he's already in L-1 and we can find out is he, or ain't he [scum].
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Post Post #321 (ISO) » Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:24 pm

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alexhans wrote: One thing that would've been ok for camn to say was that the investigation COULD be insane because we were in a looney house... but she didnt...
You finally got the joke.


Vote Josh Lyman

Now hes back at L-1, iirc.
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Post Post #322 (ISO) » Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:28 pm

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Ps.. I am practically confirmed, anyway.. if any of you guys would start putting 2 and 2 together! I expect more from VP Balthar, in particular. . .

Don't ask me why cuz I won't tell till tomorrow!
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Post Post #323 (ISO) » Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:29 pm

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camn wrote:
alexhans wrote: One thing that would've been ok for camn to say was that the investigation COULD be insane because we were in a looney house... but she didnt...
You finally got the joke.
Some "jokes" are not advisable in mafia... They can get you lynched... So be careful. Or at least. Explain as soon as they ask you about it.
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Post Post #324 (ISO) » Mon Jun 08, 2009 2:46 pm

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@VP - Josh's scumminess had faded, thanks to his absence and the opportunity that others have had to make themselves come off as scummy.

Vote: Josh Lyman


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