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Since we are apparently going into night, I will give a quick opinion in case I die overnight and the limited reveal nature of this game:
I think Kast is more likely to be Town than the random player, but this particular opinion is not fueled by the results of an investigation.
Since we are apparently going into night, I will give a quick opinion in case I die overnight and the limited reveal nature of this game:
I think Kast is more likely to be Town than the random player, but this particular opinion is not fueled by the results of an investigation.
"Aperture Science: We do what we must because we can."
Eh...wth.
I've seen Gorrad hammer without realizing it as town. I don't think it necessarily indicates affiliation. It still kinda sucks. It also means I'm gonna be lazy and postpone my thoughts until I'm back in the States (assuming I'm alive).
Anyway, we'll find out if Malthusis is telling the truth soon enough.
@Malthusis-
I like your final post, although I strongly dislike the reasoning that you would choose to NOT enable a cop when presented with that opportunity.
Share any other thoughts you have before death if you have any.
@Kise-
Wth? Why would we all mass claim now?
@GLaDOS-
I like how you think and post so far, however, I know I am prone to fallaciously associate players I like with players I think are town. It's a tough bias to avoid, but if you suffer from the same thing, then at least be aware of it.
I've seen Gorrad hammer without realizing it as town. I don't think it necessarily indicates affiliation. It still kinda sucks. It also means I'm gonna be lazy and postpone my thoughts until I'm back in the States (assuming I'm alive).
Anyway, we'll find out if Malthusis is telling the truth soon enough.
@Malthusis-
I like your final post, although I strongly dislike the reasoning that you would choose to NOT enable a cop when presented with that opportunity.
Share any other thoughts you have before death if you have any.
@Kise-
Wth? Why would we all mass claim now?
@GLaDOS-
I like how you think and post so far, however, I know I am prone to fallaciously associate players I like with players I think are town. It's a tough bias to avoid, but if you suffer from the same thing, then at least be aware of it.
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@Kise-
Massclaiming also allows scum to easily identify townie power roles and make strong guesses about each player's PL and specific abilities. Why would we want to do that right now and what possible benefit could we have that outweighs the inherent dangers?
Why do we need to make "our roles more believable" right now? Are you soft claiming that your role claim is going to be very unbelievable? Are you soft claiming that you will be fake claiming?
I wish we were lynching Kise right now. His blatant fishing for role information going into the night phase is ridiculous.
Massclaiming also allows scum to easily identify townie power roles and make strong guesses about each player's PL and specific abilities. Why would we want to do that right now and what possible benefit could we have that outweighs the inherent dangers?
Why do we need to make "our roles more believable" right now? Are you soft claiming that your role claim is going to be very unbelievable? Are you soft claiming that you will be fake claiming?
I wish we were lynching Kise right now. His blatant fishing for role information going into the night phase is ridiculous.
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I don't know where the lynch is, but just in case it hasn't occured:Kast wrote:@Kise-
Why do we need to make "our roles more believable" right now? Are you soft claiming that your role claim is going to be very unbelievable? Are you soft claiming that you will be fake claiming?
Unvote; Vote: Kast
Why would my role be unbelievable, given that I have SO much confidence in massclaiming? I don't get your logic here... You're reading me wanting a massclaim, then saying that you expect my claim to be unbelievable... OK then, if it's unbelievable, I can expect to be lynched. So why would I even entertain the idea of massclaiming? And who cares if our power roles get exposed; we all have a power as far as I'm concerned. What I'm getting at is that I believe Vaya & malthusis have given very believable roles since the material/content is like mine. Obviously, if we ALL believe Vaya & malt's claim, then that means it's because something is similar in our own role PM.
You're reaching pretty hard, Kast. How about you peg someone as scum by use of facts, rather than these implications you keep manufacturing?
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I do not see any reason in mass-claiming directly after we have lynched somebody on Day Two and while we are in twilight. For record, I did double-check the votes: malthusis had 6 votes on him from Konowa, ZEEnon, Kise, Kast, Kmd4390, and Gorrad.
All a mass-claim really does right now is tell the scum who they should kill overnight. Also, scum can just "not be around" (whether or not that is legitimately true) during the mass-claim and then overnight use the claimed information to help perfect their fake-claims.
I do not see any reason in mass-claiming directly after we have lynched somebody on Day Two and while we are in twilight. For record, I did double-check the votes: malthusis had 6 votes on him from Konowa, ZEEnon, Kise, Kast, Kmd4390, and Gorrad.
All a mass-claim really does right now is tell the scum who they should kill overnight. Also, scum can just "not be around" (whether or not that is legitimately true) during the mass-claim and then overnight use the claimed information to help perfect their fake-claims.
"Aperture Science: We do what we must because we can."
@Kise-
Fact- you have been blatantly lying to the town after either making mistakes or deliberately misunderstanding very clear and direct statements from our only confirmed town player.
Fact- you are proposing an irrational strategy which directly hurts the town and you do not have any valid reasons for the town to participate in that strategy.
Fact- you continue to use crap-logic or no reasoning to justify ridiculous and anti-town conclusions/assumptions.
-*Changing* your vote after a lynch is a meaningless gesture.
-You are bad at consistency. You say the reason for a mass claim is so that "our" roles are believable. You feel that this reason outweighs any dangers that a mass claim would create. The only role information that you should know is your own. This is equivalent to you stating that your current role is unbelievable without a mass claim, and hence you want a mass claim in order to make your normally unbelievable role become believable. Please try harder.
Fact- you have been blatantly lying to the town after either making mistakes or deliberately misunderstanding very clear and direct statements from our only confirmed town player.
Fact- you are proposing an irrational strategy which directly hurts the town and you do not have any valid reasons for the town to participate in that strategy.
Fact- you continue to use crap-logic or no reasoning to justify ridiculous and anti-town conclusions/assumptions.
-*Changing* your vote after a lynch is a meaningless gesture.
-You are bad at consistency. You say the reason for a mass claim is so that "our" roles are believable. You feel that this reason outweighs any dangers that a mass claim would create. The only role information that you should know is your own. This is equivalent to you stating that your current role is unbelievable without a mass claim, and hence you want a mass claim in order to make your normally unbelievable role become believable. Please try harder.
Admission that you were fishing? If you are town, then I believe you are terrible town.And who cares if our power roles get exposed;
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Massclaiming makes our roles more believable.
This is probably his intent.then overnight use the claimed information to help perfect their fake-claims.
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Dude, if malt' is really town and the mafia's NK goes through N2, then we're going to be in MyLo. What's even more scary is the thought of there being a recruited/activated mafia member like in the last game (meaning that if Malt is town and someone is NK'd, then it's game over).
If it makes you guys feel better, I'll go first. And if we do agree to a massclaim, I request Kast & Glados go after me.
If it makes you guys feel better, I'll go first. And if we do agree to a massclaim, I request Kast & Glados go after me.
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@Kise-
-Malt is probable scum, so we're probably fine. Are you admitting knowledge of how he will flip AND admitting that you voted to lynch him despite that?
-What possible benefit does the town gain from a mass-claim at this point?
-Are you paying any attention at all to anything that anyone has said?
-Malt is probable scum, so we're probably fine. Are you admitting knowledge of how he will flip AND admitting that you voted to lynch him despite that?
-What possible benefit does the town gain from a mass-claim at this point?
-Are you paying any attention at all to anything that anyone has said?
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Lol, you seem to be trying to put words in my mouth.
1. No I'm not admitting knowledge. Stop this reaching. If you actually took the time to see what has transpired, Gorrad hammered malt' before he could claim. I am more believing that malt' is town based on how he paraphrased his role PM. I'd be a little upset if he is the watcher and is lynched because I had a plan that required directing him. But, you need not worry about what that plan is. Unless you too want to fish.
2. Read my previous post. MyLo is a very serious situation, so a massclaim could help narrow down who among us is more likely to be scum.
3. Of course. D3 is possibly MyLo though depending on what malt' flips, so D3 is an ideal day to consider a massclaim.
1. No I'm not admitting knowledge. Stop this reaching. If you actually took the time to see what has transpired, Gorrad hammered malt' before he could claim. I am more believing that malt' is town based on how he paraphrased his role PM. I'd be a little upset if he is the watcher and is lynched because I had a plan that required directing him. But, you need not worry about what that plan is. Unless you too want to fish.
2. Read my previous post. MyLo is a very serious situation, so a massclaim could help narrow down who among us is more likely to be scum.
3. Of course. D3 is possibly MyLo though depending on what malt' flips, so D3 is an ideal day to consider a massclaim.
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@Kise-
-If you aren't admitting that, then your behavior is inconsistent. You sound exactly like scum trying to distance themselves from a mislynch.
-Do you browse for terms that you think sound cool then try using them without understanding them?
If you think D3 will be MyLo, then safe play is to no lynch. No lynch strategy does not require and is not helped by mass claiming. If you think we would be Lylo, then mass claiming tomorrow could help with that.
Regardless, neither situation would suggest that we should claim TODAY. Claiming now would help scum with night targeting and crafting plausible role claims (assuming they weren't already provided with safe claims-which is NOT a safe assumption to make).
-D3 mass claim is something to consider. D2 mass claim in twilight is NOT. This is what everyone has been telling you.
-If you aren't admitting that, then your behavior is inconsistent. You sound exactly like scum trying to distance themselves from a mislynch.
-Do you browse for terms that you think sound cool then try using them without understanding them?
If you think D3 will be MyLo, then safe play is to no lynch. No lynch strategy does not require and is not helped by mass claiming. If you think we would be Lylo, then mass claiming tomorrow could help with that.
Regardless, neither situation would suggest that we should claim TODAY. Claiming now would help scum with night targeting and crafting plausible role claims (assuming they weren't already provided with safe claims-which is NOT a safe assumption to make).
-D3 mass claim is something to consider. D2 mass claim in twilight is NOT. This is what everyone has been telling you.
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Ahhhh... well why TF are people assuming I want to do this in twilight rather than ask me when I am suggesting the massclaim? No, guys. I'm talking about doing this on D3. If I specifically have said to do so earlier than D3, please quote me if possible.
And what's up with this comment about "sounding cool?" I know what MyLo is; it'll be D3 if malt' is town and the NK goes through . If this game is balanced at all like the previous installment, then there could be 3 solid mafia and (possibly) an inactive player that's waiting to be converted to mafia. With that said, let's consider a likely scenario in D3 if malt' is town & someone is successfully NK'd: 8 players remaining, with 3-to-4 being anti-town. Should the sole strategy of the town be to discuss things and form opinions on who sounds scummiest? I have my doubts that mere discussion will help the town win, considering Philly had wrongful cases made against him, and it now .
I'll go ahead and say it since I'm sure this is the guarantee you want to hear from me, Kast... I believe malt's claim because it is worded similar to mine. You happy knowing I have an ability now? I'm sure this is what you were looking for since you're manufacturing all these "angles" in the event that I'm scum. So congratulations; you've cornered me into admitting why I feel that malt' is a mislynch. If he made the claim before being hammered, I would not hesitate to unvote, despite how scummy I view him.
And that's another thing, Kast.. you seem to have no faith in malt's claim ringing true.. I can only imagine that your role is [significantly] different. Your disbelief in Vaya's claim is also noted.
KMD, are you more so going on vacation, or merely having limited access?
And what's up with this comment about "sounding cool?" I know what MyLo is; it'll be D3 if malt' is town and the NK goes through . If this game is balanced at all like the previous installment, then there could be 3 solid mafia and (possibly) an inactive player that's waiting to be converted to mafia. With that said, let's consider a likely scenario in D3 if malt' is town & someone is successfully NK'd: 8 players remaining, with 3-to-4 being anti-town. Should the sole strategy of the town be to discuss things and form opinions on who sounds scummiest? I have my doubts that mere discussion will help the town win, considering Philly had wrongful cases made against him, and it now .
I'll go ahead and say it since I'm sure this is the guarantee you want to hear from me, Kast... I believe malt's claim because it is worded similar to mine. You happy knowing I have an ability now? I'm sure this is what you were looking for since you're manufacturing all these "angles" in the event that I'm scum. So congratulations; you've cornered me into admitting why I feel that malt' is a mislynch. If he made the claim before being hammered, I would not hesitate to unvote, despite how scummy I view him.
And that's another thing, Kast.. you seem to have no faith in malt's claim ringing true.. I can only imagine that your role is [significantly] different. Your disbelief in Vaya's claim is also noted.
KMD, are you more so going on vacation, or merely having limited access?
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@Kise-
-You are either a liar or you have a severely distorted understanding of what is going on. You've been told the reasons not to do a claim now and you insisted that we should do it and even went on to suggest that you could start by claiming now.
One of the primary reasons you were told we should not claim is that it will help scum with night targetting and by revealing power roles. Your response shows that you were talking about a claim now.
-I think there is a good chance that Malthusis is scum. Hence my vote. If he had claimed cop enabler prior to being lynched, I would probably have unvoted him for the same reason I unvoted Vaya and asked people to stop voting for Vaya. However, given that he had Vaya's confirmed townie role to base a claim on, it is quite possible that he is scum who created a fake claim with possible intent to draw out twilight counter-claims from n00b town (such as yourself if you are town).
-You already claimed that you have a similar role to Vaya and Malthusis as well as that you think all players have power roles. You have been fishing ever since you actually started participating in this game. Go ahead and continue your OMGUS.
-Also, went back to check on whether your story rings true with D1. D1 you barely posted at all, and in particular you did NOT comment on Vaya's claim even to hint that you thought it was plausible.
-You are either a liar or you have a severely distorted understanding of what is going on. You've been told the reasons not to do a claim now and you insisted that we should do it and even went on to suggest that you could start by claiming now.
One of the primary reasons you were told we should not claim is that it will help scum with night targetting and by revealing power roles. Your response shows that you were talking about a claim now.
-Pay attention to the game. I unvoted Vaya because I didn't want to lynch a claimed cop enabler. Vaya is confirmed town. That implies that Vaya's claimed role is true. You are blatantly lying about what I have said about Vaya.Kise the scum wrote:And who cares if our power roles get exposed;
-I think there is a good chance that Malthusis is scum. Hence my vote. If he had claimed cop enabler prior to being lynched, I would probably have unvoted him for the same reason I unvoted Vaya and asked people to stop voting for Vaya. However, given that he had Vaya's confirmed townie role to base a claim on, it is quite possible that he is scum who created a fake claim with possible intent to draw out twilight counter-claims from n00b town (such as yourself if you are town).
-You already claimed that you have a similar role to Vaya and Malthusis as well as that you think all players have power roles. You have been fishing ever since you actually started participating in this game. Go ahead and continue your OMGUS.
-Also, went back to check on whether your story rings true with D1. D1 you barely posted at all, and in particular you did NOT comment on Vaya's claim even to hint that you thought it was plausible.
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You mind cutting down on the quasi-ad homs? And to clarify, I'm taking into account that malt has claimed a watcher role, as well as the character. Besides, if he was counterclaimed before being hammered, then my vote would be right back on him, yeah?Kast wrote:-I think there is a good chance that Malthusis is scum. Hence my vote. If he had claimed cop enabler prior to being lynched, I would probably have unvoted him for the same reason I unvoted Vaya and asked people to stop voting for Vaya. However, given that he had Vaya's confirmed townie role to base a claim on, it is quite possible that he is scum who created a fake claim with possible intent to draw out twilight counter-claims from n00b town (such as yourself if you are town).
It's not fishing if I don't ask people to confirm whether or not they are in fact a PR . Any smart [town] player generally ignores commenting on the request of a fisher; such was the case when KMD wanted to be attacked D1.Kast wrote:-You already claimed that you have a similar role to Vaya and Malthusis as well as that you think all players have power roles. You have been fishing ever since you actually started participating in this game. Go ahead and continue your OMGUS.
What story? I was on V/LA throughout the end of D1, so never had a chance to comment on Vaya's claim at the time.Kast wrote:-Also, went back to check on whether your story rings true with D1.
V/LA...... V/LA....Kast wrote:D1 you barely posted at all, and in particular you did NOT comment on Vaya's claim even to hint that you thought it was plausible.
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Much, much, much different than me saying, "I'll goKise wrote:If it makes you guys feel better, I'll go first.
now
."Exactly. Why care in MyLo?Kise the scum wrote:And who cares if our power roles get exposed;
Earlier you said Vaya didn't look like a NK target..Kast wrote:-Pay attention to the game. I unvoted Vaya because I didn't want to lynch a claimed cop enabler. Vaya is confirmed town. That implies that Vaya's claimed role is true. You are blatantly lying about what I have said about Vaya.
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@Kise-
-A player who repeatedly contradicts himself, insists on a twilight mass-claim with no reasons for doing it and despite many reasons against doing it, and is constantly fishing for role information is at best n00b town.
-Fail. Yes it is still fishing. No, smart town do not just ignore fishing attempts. Smart town recognize that the fishing is happening and say something about it. Which is what happened with KMD. Maybe your V/LA prevented you from seeing that?
-Your story is that you have a role similar to what Vaya and Malthusis have claimed. It checks out for D2. There is nothing to support it for D1. Either you were really V/LA, or you failed to comment despite checking in and saying you would catch up a little after Vaya claimed.
-KMD told you it would be a bad idea to claim today
GLaDOS told you that mass claiming in twilight would help scum craft false claims.
I've been warning of the dangers but re-emphasized GLaDOS point.
If you really meant a D3 claim, then you could easily have clarified that this is what you meant. Instead, your response is that it would be okay if you go first (implication that this mitigates the risk of Kise scum crafting a claim based on others who go before him).
-If we are in MyLo tomorrow, then we CHOOSE TO NO LYNCH so that our TOWN POWER ROLES HAVE AN EXTRA NIGHT TO ACT. Please stop using terms that you don't understand. If we are not lynching, then there is no reason for us to claim.
Why do you want town power roles to be night killed? Why do you think that helps the town. Please explain this illogical/irrational position you are promoting.
Also noted that you are trying to sidetrack town on this MyLo discussion without even explaining why you think we will be in MyLo.
-Vaya did not look like a good mafia NK target for N1. For scum, Vaya was a confirmed vanilla. If we assume 3 mafia, then mafia can safely ignore Vaya and drop the pool of possible enabled-cops to 1/7 players (as well as possibly killing other town PR). Vaya would become a confirmed townie to whoever received his invention, but would become a suspect/lynch candidate if mafia correctly killed the recipient of his invention. To all other players, he becomes a semi-confirmed townie.
None of that requires me not believing Vaya's role; it actually requires that I believe his role in order to make any sense (easy enough since he was dead and confirmed at the time).
-A player who repeatedly contradicts himself, insists on a twilight mass-claim with no reasons for doing it and despite many reasons against doing it, and is constantly fishing for role information is at best n00b town.
-Fail. Yes it is still fishing. No, smart town do not just ignore fishing attempts. Smart town recognize that the fishing is happening and say something about it. Which is what happened with KMD. Maybe your V/LA prevented you from seeing that?
-Your story is that you have a role similar to what Vaya and Malthusis have claimed. It checks out for D2. There is nothing to support it for D1. Either you were really V/LA, or you failed to comment despite checking in and saying you would catch up a little after Vaya claimed.
-KMD told you it would be a bad idea to claim today
GLaDOS told you that mass claiming in twilight would help scum craft false claims.
I've been warning of the dangers but re-emphasized GLaDOS point.
If you really meant a D3 claim, then you could easily have clarified that this is what you meant. Instead, your response is that it would be okay if you go first (implication that this mitigates the risk of Kise scum crafting a claim based on others who go before him).
-If we are in MyLo tomorrow, then we CHOOSE TO NO LYNCH so that our TOWN POWER ROLES HAVE AN EXTRA NIGHT TO ACT. Please stop using terms that you don't understand. If we are not lynching, then there is no reason for us to claim.
Why do you want town power roles to be night killed? Why do you think that helps the town. Please explain this illogical/irrational position you are promoting.
Also noted that you are trying to sidetrack town on this MyLo discussion without even explaining why you think we will be in MyLo.
-Vaya did not look like a good mafia NK target for N1. For scum, Vaya was a confirmed vanilla. If we assume 3 mafia, then mafia can safely ignore Vaya and drop the pool of possible enabled-cops to 1/7 players (as well as possibly killing other town PR). Vaya would become a confirmed townie to whoever received his invention, but would become a suspect/lynch candidate if mafia correctly killed the recipient of his invention. To all other players, he becomes a semi-confirmed townie.
None of that requires me not believing Vaya's role; it actually requires that I believe his role in order to make any sense (easy enough since he was dead and confirmed at the time).
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Some players – such as myself – did not specifically say we believed Vaya to be Town because of his claim, but rather that his claim was able to be tested. I said right off the bat, in fact, that ability is not alignment-confirming, and I still stand by that. It would not surprise me in the least if scum in this game have at least one “invention” that they can pass off to somebody, or at the very least, scum can
Put short, stop and think before you assert that a mass-claim wins for the Town. Mass-claiming may indeed be the right thing to do on Day Three, but let’s wait until Day Three before we make that determination. We still do not have today's lynch result or results from Night Two.
All three of the above factors lead me to believe that this particular Town is much less powerful that the last Bleach Mafia. We do not even know what PhilyEc’s ability did, if anything.
Furthermore, the last game had 1 Serial Killer and 2 Mafia with a possible Traitor. I sincerely doubt a moderator would but 3 Mafia with a possible Traitor.
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This is not supported. PhilyEc has also claimed, and his role was not like what Vaya and malthusis have claimed. Simply because you claim your role is similar does not mean everybody's is. This is drawing an overly large conclusion from little evidence without even taking contrary evidence into consideration.Kise, Post 306 wrote:Obviously, if we ALL believe Vaya & malt's claim,then that means it's because something is similar in our own role PM.
Some players – such as myself – did not specifically say we believed Vaya to be Town because of his claim, but rather that his claim was able to be tested. I said right off the bat, in fact, that ability is not alignment-confirming, and I still stand by that. It would not surprise me in the least if scum in this game have at least one “invention” that they can pass off to somebody, or at the very least, scum can
claim
to have passed off an invention and be “confirmed” when by a partner who verifies being passed such an invention.Put short, stop and think before you assert that a mass-claim wins for the Town. Mass-claiming may indeed be the right thing to do on Day Three, but let’s wait until Day Three before we make that determination. We still do not have today's lynch result or results from Night Two.
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Do youKast, Post 311 wrote:Malt is probable scum, so we're probably fine. Are you admitting knowledge of how he will flip AND admitting that you voted to lynch him despite that?
actually
think malthusis is probable scum at this point? I, for one, generally doubt that scum would fake-claim after they have already been lynched. It strikes me more as trying to give the Town one last kernet of information in case it turns out to be useful. If malthusis is scum and is using up a mod-given fake claim (and I assume our mod does give limited fake-claims based on Bleach #1) then doing so makes even sense.3.)
I wish people would start paying attention to what has been claimed. malthusis did not claim to be a Watcher – he claimed that he can essentially make somebodyKise, Post 312 wrote: I'd be a little upset if he is the watcher and is lynched because I had a plan that required directing him.
besides himself
a Watcher.4.)
Given the relative claimed powers, I very much doubt this. Despite what you think, the claimed Town so far is actually very weak:Kise, Post 315 wrote: If this game is balanced at all like the previous installment, then there could be 3 solid mafia and (possibly) an inactive player that's waiting to be converted to mafia. With that said, let's consider a likely scenario in D3 if malt' is town & someone is successfully NK'd: 8 players remaining, with 3-to-4 being anti-town.
a.)
Delayed Roles
. Both Vaya and malthusis claimed roles which cannot give much information on Night One. This is because they have to spend the first night passing off
their invention since they could not use their own inventions.b.)
Uncertain Use of Roles
. Vaya at least claimed that her invention could only be used by somebody of a Lieutenant’s Power or higher. This means that even if Vaya successfully passed off an invention, it might be passed to somebody who cannot use it – or even to somebody that could[ have
used it but then was injured. That person must then spend yet another night to pass off the invention: this compounds the delay mentioned above.c.)
No Guaranteed Truthfulness
. Finally, it may be the case that these inventions will be passed to scum who can then falsify results. Or it may be the case that the inventions themselves are not completely accurate.All three of the above factors lead me to believe that this particular Town is much less powerful that the last Bleach Mafia. We do not even know what PhilyEc’s ability did, if anything.
Furthermore, the last game had 1 Serial Killer and 2 Mafia with a possible Traitor. I sincerely doubt a moderator would but 3 Mafia with a possible Traitor.
"Aperture Science: We do what we must because we can."
I have not caught up yet. Been too busy dealing with moving into a new house that should not have happened till next month.
Anyways, to quickly answer Spyrex's question. I am now pretty confident you [Spyrex] are scum. A little birdie told me that you paid Vaya a visit N1. I did not come out with this earlier for a number of reasons. There were too many possibilities at the time, I saw no reason to needlessly disclose information that might hurt more than help. I can throw out you being a watcher, based on malthusis' claim. The possibility of you being a doc and trying to protect Vaya, but being role-blocked is there, but very very thin to me. The most logical explanation now is that you are probably the scum that targeted Vaya for the kill.
Will go back over everything else now.
Anyways, to quickly answer Spyrex's question. I am now pretty confident you [Spyrex] are scum. A little birdie told me that you paid Vaya a visit N1. I did not come out with this earlier for a number of reasons. There were too many possibilities at the time, I saw no reason to needlessly disclose information that might hurt more than help. I can throw out you being a watcher, based on malthusis' claim. The possibility of you being a doc and trying to protect Vaya, but being role-blocked is there, but very very thin to me. The most logical explanation now is that you are probably the scum that targeted Vaya for the kill.
Will go back over everything else now.
How many people long for that "past, simpler, and better world," I wonder,
without ever recognizing the truth that perhaps it was they who were simpler and better,
and not the world about them?
without ever recognizing the truth that perhaps it was they who were simpler and better,
and not the world about them?
Why in the name of everything would you say that in TWILIGHT if you thought I was actually scum (i.e. earlier with the whole "SpyreX is scum for unquantifiable reasons") and do that now?
If malt is smoke and mirroring this and does actually flip scum you are dead in the water tomorrow.
Yes. I visited Vaya N1.
No, as far as I know I wasn't roleblocked.
IF I AM ALIVE tomorrow thanks to this maneuver, I may have some solid insight on a mechanic that we need to really figure out.
If malt is smoke and mirroring this and does actually flip scum you are dead in the water tomorrow.
Yes. I visited Vaya N1.
No, as far as I know I wasn't roleblocked.
IF I AM ALIVE tomorrow thanks to this maneuver, I may have some solid insight on a mechanic that we need to really figure out.