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hitogoroshi wrote:In a giant game like this, if too many people spam the thread people will ragequit just looking at the page number.

I just waded through 10 pages of posts, reading through every single one. Took me close to three hours. Out of those posts, how many did I actually want to comment on? 5. Out of 250.

Furcolow wrote:@Fate/Benmage: Can you all put your dicks away, or do I need to get a ruler?

I'll have to remember this expression, made me laugh. And I agree, the last thing we need is a spamfest. Out of this argument, what did I learn? Only that Fate and Benmage probably aren't both cult. I mean, there's distancing, and then there's... .

Oh, and while I can't say that Furcolow would be absolutely confirmed as town, with all those mistakes regarding his ward, my hat's off to him if he faked . At this time he is my strongest town read though.

Furcolow wrote:Where they would have to have 1/7 ressing fate, assuming fate is even cult, then that would leave them to either pick someone to kill who didn't claim they heard noise (otherwise they are likely to be ressed and require 5/7 to go one up on the res via ritual), or they will only have 1 person crafting fetishes, and that one person can only make 2 or gain an insanity which hurts cult that way as well.

Your reasoning fails in one thing: participating in a ritual is a free action. Unless the cult is somehow dysfunctional, there is nothing to stop them all from participating in the ritual, and doing something else the same night.

Furcolow wrote:I would like all investigators to read my post #180, especially MoI, and address it/take a stance on whether or not benmage should kill fate.

I have no idea. Their row went above and beyond normal distancing, I can't believe they'd both be cult. If I had to choose, Benmage is the one who looks more odd. His line of thought has been fairly incomprehensible from his first post. Trouble is, his play would be equally stupid as town and as scum, so we'll see.

If the only way to stop another spamfest from happening is to kill one of them, then I guess one will have to go.

rewq455 wrote:Also, if we ward in circles, as in A wards B, B wards C, C wards A, we can tell who is doing something at night besides warding if the person they are supposed to be warding is killed. This should eliminate the scums night kill. The only flaw with this plan is that we would not have grave robbers, so we would not know the faction of people being killed.

As was pointed out, chain warding doesn't work. If you were warded, your own ward will fail. There is a similar caveat in resuscitating, in that you can't be resuscitated if you resuscitate someone. Also, rob grave is a free action, so anyone can do it in addition to something else.

Dear everyone: yes, Benmage and Fate's tiff is a slog to read and not relevant to the game. You know what else is a slog to read and not relevant to the game? Your post complaining that the thing we all know is a slog to read, is a slog to read. You don't need to "check in" by whinging about how many posts there are to read, and you don't need to write a post just to say "well that was stupid", . We'll know you're here when you post content.

A lot of people are saying Furc isn't confirmed. Read the very beginning of the game. I called him out for warding and not hearing noise, and Percy responded by fixing the ruleset to show that warding was not intended to make you hear noise in SAIII. The posts were more-or-less simultaneous, and it's extremely unlikely this was any sort of crazy master plan (it would have had to be furc lying about warding, AND making an objective mistake about it making noise, and having the two luckily cancel out.) He's not 100% confirmed, since scum can use the ward action too, but it's a small enough chance that I'm willing to call it nil. We're NOT calling him confirmed just because el goonski heard noise. We're calling him confirmed because an error in the written ruleset makes his use of ward almost mod-confirmed.

@aurorusvox"If he crafted a fetish on Fate, even if Fate died, how would we know it was a murder and not a Ritual that had taken place?"

kills have flavor......................

Wait. Are you saying when someone dies, we'lll know if it was a murderer or the ritual?

....hah. hahaha. BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHA.

The power. THE POWER!

furc wrote:also, rc, consider protecting wickedestjr (or anyone who acquired res kit)/QUOTE]

It seems to me that the best course of action would be compiling a list of everyone who heard noise and wasn't warded, and having the townies reccusicate targets from that list without announcing it in thread. Can anyone think of a problem with this plan?

Andrius, spamming the thread to complain about spam just makes you look like a child.

Plum wrote:I have a problem. I NEED Benmage to carry out his kill tonight otherwise he drowns us in WIFOM stew. Do not want. On the other hand, am very much leaning Town on Fate. HALP.

I'm in the same boat as you. What's ethical (not punishing Fate for Ben's arbitrary vendetta) is not the same as what's best for town (having a confirmed kill go through.) Now that I know kills are flavored, I might be able to jury-rig an everyone wins happy time scenario. I have three hours stuck in this computer lab (gogo gadget sinecure) so I'll weigh in again after giving my other games some lovin'.

^scum

ebwop: SH*T THAT WAS AT FEYSAL, NOT HITO

lulz. saving that pic btw, hito

EBWOP: Messed up a quote tag:

also, rc, consider protecting wickedestjr (or anyone who acquired res kit)

It seems to me that the best course of action would be compiling a list of everyone who heard noise and wasn't warded, and having the townies reccusicate targets from that list without announcing it in thread. Can anyone think of a problem with this plan?

Andrius, spamming the thread to complain about spam just makes you look like a child.

Plum wrote:I have a problem. I NEED Benmage to carry out his kill tonight otherwise he drowns us in WIFOM stew. Do not want. On the other hand, am very much leaning Town on Fate. HALP.

I'm in the same boat as you. What's ethical (not punishing Fate for Ben's arbitrary vendetta) is not the same as what's best for town (having a confirmed kill go through.) Now that I know kills are flavored, I might be able to jury-rig an everyone wins happy time scenario. I have three hours stuck in this computer lab (gogo gadget sinecure) so I'll weigh in again after giving my other games some lovin'.

(yes Zach, you are completely within your rights to give me shit for that)

im happy with my vote on bowser
following plum is my new favorite mafia hobby
thanks for thinking of me as the most pro-town
if we form an alliance plum is in or i am out
i believe she has been the most pro-town so far, not myself
i haven't seen her as scum, yet, to my knowledge though.

plum, do you have a game as scum you would share with me?


"Your reasoning fails in one thing: participating in a ritual is a free action. Unless the cult is somehow dysfunctional, there is nothing to stop them all from participating in the ritual, and doing something else the same night."

I didn't know this. I guess I have to admit that guy who got really angry at that other guy is probably right, but that does not mean that he wouldn't try to flake on his duty if he was scum.


lol. i agree with hito,
why is he scum rc?

oh. i don't like feysal's vibe either. wagon?
yeah i liked that post


furthermore ebwop: hito is right. I was just listing non-warded people who heard noise for you to res

OMG. 13 pages?? If there are ten pages of the Fate Benmage pissing match I'm going to claw my eyes out. Reading now...

xvart.

Lappy died miid page three and I have reesorted to the kindle.

No idea yet if Furcolowm is town or not.. I just took exception to the confirmed bit.
Benmage however is more likely town as he is setting himself up to be a murderer suspect which cannot be in his personal beest interrest and is vaguely testable.

I also warded.
Chose MoI basically at random since I have played with virtually no one here unleesss they are in a hydra and I have not seen theem. After looking at the action summary in SA I it seemed to be the best optiooon for me.

I heeard no noise.

Sorry about the typing and stuff the kindle nott easy to type posts on.

xvart wrote:OMG. 13 pages?? If there are ten pages of the Fate Benmage pissing match I'm going to claw my eyes out. Reading now...

xvart.

*giggles and waits for eye-clawing*

hahahaha

See, this is what I'm talking about, guys. Do we need a post saying "man, it's gonna suck reading 10 pages of crap"? Do we need a post saying "HAHA, it IS going to be that much of a pain to read"? Do we need a post ? This is pumping up the post count needlessly just as much as Fate/Benmage did. If you have a joke you absolutely have to tell, or a complaint you absolutely have to gripe about, make yourself write a post full of content then put the joke at the front. Then everyone wins.

For the record, I am depressingly aware of the hypocrisy of making this post without content, telling you guys to stop posting without content. But three of you have managed to throw down content-less posts since 15 minutes ago when I posted my initial plea not to do that, so I feel that maybe I should get this out as soon as possible.

No flavor on resuscitate.

Murder is Murdered
Ritual is Destroyed by an Unspeakable being.

my one liners are coupled with posts of awesomeness and content

VV wrote:No flavor on resuscitate.

Murder is Murdered
Ritual is Destroyed by an Unspeakable being.

Right, but my question isn't "what are the individual flavors?". In essence, I'm asking if the player is murdered (because the resuscitate fails, and the murder is first) or if they are consumed by the ritual (because resuscitate "pairs off" with the murder, and then the ritual goes through.) The rules as written would have the player murdered, but the rules as intended seem to lean towards it being a ritual kill.

Furc: Right, I'm not disavowing your content. But realize people look at the post count before reading the thread, and if the post count is high they are less encouraged to post and more encouraged to replace out. As a double offense, people are also less likely to replace in to a game with a high post count (this is somewhat mitigated by Stars Aligned being the bees knees.) Just because you're a townie guy with townie posts doesn't mean it's okay for some of your posts to be anti-town.

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MagnaofIllusion wrote:

@MOD - Your rules state that if no action is sent in by the N0 deadline the player in question will Cower.

Does this apply to invalid actions (ie sending a Ward in on a player not in the game)?

hitorogoshi wrote:

Mod: Can Craft Fetish be used on the same investigator more than once a night?

hitorogoshi wrote:

Mod: Sorry for asking another question, but it says "Your action will fail if someone targets you with Ward" in the side-effects of Ward. As written, this is a general roleblock, but it's placement under side effects suggests that you meant this to apply ONLY to people using ward (that is, that Wards only roleblock other Wards.) Which is it?

Bowser wrote:

Mod: I believe Fate either needs to be replaced, or be given a severe warning. His posts are breaking the civility line a lot.

Fate wrote:

MOD: If everyone choose Sadism, the game would become unplayable. You haz Counter???

hitorogoshi wrote:

Mod: A player is targeted by Resuscitate, Murder, and The Ritual. What's their death flavor?

If they want to replace out of SA3 they shouldn't be here in the first place. I don't find laughter to be anti-town.
Are you claiming laughter is anti-town?

@percy: OK, what if there are two murders, one resuscitate, and one ritual on the same slot?
murdered, right?

The verbose head of the butterfly has been lurking in the shadows all day, following the thread on her phone, waiting for a moment to pounce .

I'll have more to say later when I get home (although ATM, I have more thoughts on who's town than who's scum), but better get this out there before even more people claim:

xvart, you never claimed WHO you warded. Who was your target? Also, why didn't you claim it considering even your helpful list post contained other players' ward targets? It's not like you can claim ignorance.

Question to both xvart and Magna: what do you think of Furcolow now that the discrepancy between ward targets is explained? Still scum?

Andrius, we're claiming if we heard noise and who we warded (if anyone). If you didn't ward, you don't have to claim your action....

Actually, just thought of something. .

Lastly, @Vasu, why no reaction to my saying you might go murderer? Shouldn't you be defending your honour?

Okay, I didn't hear noise, I'm not so sure we should be claiming wards though because I think the cultists will be more likely to kill people who didn't ward because they know they will have items. Also cultists could employ the tactic of deliberately resuscitating people they believe to have rescuscitation kits in order to stop their kills from being protected, so I think it's a disadvantage for the cultists (and probably murderers later) to know what items everybody has. I noticed ward claiming was done at the beginning of the last SA game though so can people who played in that game please say if it actually helped (and how) in the end?

On the Benmage-Fate thing: It's a bit fishy to me that benmage says he has stalked Fate but is now arguing his butt off to try and get out of going through with the murder. I think that BM should murder Fate tonight but that somebody should resuscitate Fate as well. If Fate is bloody tomorrow then BM is confirmed town. If Fate is not bloody then we know BM was lying about stalking and is thus most likely cult. Sure it uses up a res kit but I think it's worthwhile to either confirm BM or catch him out as scum and also hopefully end these petty arguments.

Also, Noone is to select the mutilation insanity (at least not until much later in the game if you are forced to), upon penalty of lynching. This is to stop any murderers using the "oh thats just me being emo" excuse if they are caught out with blood on their clothes.

Oh, and I can't believe (and thus am a bit suspicous) that triglav didn't hear noise. If I were cult I'd be crafting like a gazillion fetishes of Zorblag.

Furc wrote:i haven't seen her(Plum) as scum, yet, to my knowledge though.

Plum-scum hates being scum, therefore lurks. 8D.

hito wrote:I have a question for everyone: What is your Stars Aligned experience? That is, have you played in both 1 and 2, just one of them, or is this your first?

Technically this is my 1.5th SA game. I replaced into the second one, but my replacee went back in a nick of time! I did, read the second game and followed it religiously.

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In regards to the Fate/Ben drama, I'm leaning towards Fate here. I knew some form of drama will happen even before the game started, and these two will be going after each other's necks. However, I think it makes much more sense for Fate-cult to craft a fetish for Benmage precisely because of their hatred for each other(because he knows that this shit will happen anyway). Fate-investigator will never go murderer though, he's too much of an alliance guy for that. (Then again, I only know Fate~, so I might be a little biased to benmage~)

I think that both of them are Town though, and they should cease this bullshit once and for all. Cross-noise aside, I think that cult ignored these too because of their history('Oh hey, Fate and/or Benmage are not here! Let's watch them rip each other apart and not target them.')

Suggested action: Ward Benmage. Not sure if Fate is actually worth a rescusitate since it destroys the resuscitation kit. But from my understanding, ward should block a murder...

Lost Butterfly wrote:Lastly, @Vasu, why no reaction to my saying you might go murderer? Shouldn't you be defending your honour?

I'm typing out a giant 1050000+ word wall against it as we speak because signup WIFOM is important.

I think it would be a good to make out a Town Approved Insanity list. Agree/Disagree?

Here's what I think are good:
Twitchy
Compulsion
Suicidal

Following this, barely, on my phone. I like vas's idea of an approved insanity list

Fate, huge difference from ignoring and not getting to......so much for you scumhunting....still only seeing fluff.

I'm at work and on phone. So I can't make the post I'd like....but

My #3,4 and 5 scums are MoI Spy and Andrius....will say more later when on a computer.

Oh and I was suggesting to Ward to negate anyone warding you cause I thought it might block my kill, but it only blocks stalk so we're good to go...and since you're dying any and all info is good for the town.

VV is town.