Mini 194 - Final Fantasy Ivalice - Game Over!

[armlx]

BMQ is Aeris. I'll explain.

I am Cloud, Puzzle is Tifa Lockheart. We were searching for Aeris to get a bonus to our abilities, and we have been confirmed that BMQ is Aeris.

Also, Darklight could be a godfather scum with night kill immunity.

[DarkLight140]

Yes, I could be a godfather with nightkill immunity, but somehow that strikes me as really reaching. A much simpler solution is that I'm just pro-town.

Anyway, why are we dragging this day on and telling the mafia all our night plans? Let's just

Vote: BabyJesus

and finish it.

((Also, once Aeris dies, you can "bring her back" if you've got a GameShark. Glitches some things, though.))

[SapphireVerde]

Uh, Vote count tonignt, and if someone is dead, lynch scene later. I'm a school right now, and today's my Birthday!!! Yay! So I'll be out till later.

[mneme]

Happy birthday, Sapphire!

[Zanath Brast]

[quote=Crola]Aeris? Sorry, I've only played the beginning of FF3 and that's it.[/quote]

Actually, that's from FF7.

If I counted it right, BJ has five out of the six votes needed to lynch him, so at least one more should do it. I'll do my best to make a good vig decision tonight.

Oh, and happy birthday, Sapphire!

[Zanath Brast]

Bah, I hate multiple forum formats. One forum I visit doesn't require quotation marks around the name in quote tags, and this one does. Splits the brain in two.

[BabyJesus]

Shouldn't we be lynching puzzle?

[mneme]

BabyJesus: nice try, but no.
If you come up innocent, well, that will change things.

[mneme]

Oh, btw, I double-checked my PM, and my being blocked does -not- jive with being sent a yellow flower (much scarier than that, is all I have to say on the subject). So presumably, being sent a yellow flower was -not- what blocked me last night.

[armlx]

Hmm... I'm going to make a list of who could possibly be mafia at this point

BabyJesus (Duh)
Myopia
DarkLight (possible, 2nd to last last to be lynched on the list)
Crola (Uber long shot, ultimate last to be lynched)

Reasons others aren't mafia

Armlx: Should be obvious by now...
Puzzle: See above
Aeris: See above
Lubabah: Confirmed Blitzball
Mneme: Cop, and unless there is another confirmed by me/Puzzle's abilities
Zanath: See above.

So the plan is lynch BabyJesus, investigate Darklight, vig Myopia, then if the game is still going lynch Darklight, vig Crola, and investigate Puzzle or me.

[BabyJesus]

BabyJesus: nice try, but no.
If you come up innocent, well, that will change things.

did you miss the post where there is a 50% chance I come up as the role I viewed?? I can bump it if you like....

[Crola]

Mneme: Cop

Wouldn't it make sense for me not to be on the scum list since I was cleared by the cop?
Also, if you "vig" kill me and Darklight is either scum, or gets the bad 50%, you'll be losing a valuable townie. We have a little time to think about that, but it's something to keep in mind,

[mneme]

No, that's the part where I stop listening.

The miller role you described is far too weak for this game -- I'd much more likely believe you were a scum with a "slime" ability, who had planed evidence that Puzzle was scum last night.

[Zanath Brast]

Wouldn't it make sense for me not to be on the scum list since I was cleared by the cop?

If that were reason enough to clear you, then DarkLight140 would also be cleared completely. Just as DL could be a Godfather-like role who is immune to night kills, you could be a Godfather-like role who is cleared by investigations. Of course, the fact that you were cleared at all puts you at the bottom of the suspicion list, but you're still there.

Also, if you "vig" kill me and Darklight is either scum, or gets the bad 50%, you'll be losing a valuable townie. We have a little time to think about that, but it's something to keep in mind,

I'll put everything into consideration when I decide who to vig tonight.

[armlx]

If Darklight ever dies I would want it by lynch, as if he is mafia he is resistant to the night kills. Same with you Crola. Of course, you two are far behind the others. I just want to set up a plan in case the mafia decides to off me.

[Myopia]

Well reading the writing on the wall it sounds like im the one to be vigged tonight.

Im pro-town but i guess you will find that out one way or the other.

Given I may not survive (as zanath apparantly only killed innocents 0% of the time last night) I will provide my last thoughts.

At this point I can only conclude that at least one of the people on the "confirmed innocent" list is not innocent at all. Im most suspicious of puzzle and armlx given the way theyve been leading the town around but there should still be time to establish that once all the "scum" are dead and the game is still going.

[mneme]

Myopia: oh, quite -- if you are innocent, it's quite clear that one or more of the "confirmed innocents" are nothing of the sort.

[mneme]

(well, maybe. It could still be 2-3 scum of Darklight, BabyJesus, Crola (if GF), or...

Um. Ok, this is interesting. I'm pretty sure whoever blocked me last night, it was -not- the flower-thrower (assuming Brian is telling the truth about his role). Whatever ths block is, it puts the target to sleep (well, a dead faint, really).

Why was nobody hit with this on night 1?

The only reasons I can think of are a limited roleblock (weak) or the blocker themselves being blocked on night 1.

That points very strongly to Crola, whom we -know- was blocked on night 1, and puts me in some doubt of my results.

We may want to relook at crola sooner rather than later.

[Puzzle]

Actually, note the following :
- Armlx and I have not seen Aeris but only its spirit, which gave us flowers to boost us.
- BJ was heavily pushing for BMQ to back him up.
- BJ seems to anticipate being revealed as Sin.
- Sin in FF10 is an entity that absorbs people to control them (correct me if I'm wrong - I googled that up).

In fact, I wonder if BJ didn't take control of Aeris last night. I'm Ok with mneme, Armlx and Zanath but as much as I think BMQ was clear on day 1, I don't give him full confidence anymore.

Still, we probably began with 3 scums and 1 SK and the following townies on day 1 : Puzzle, Armlx, BMQ, mneme, Strykker and Zanath. Crola (inspected) and Lubabah (strong claim) seem to be relatively clear also.
That would mean Myopia, BJ and DL140 (less sure but still my bet for now) as scum, with Olio as SK.
We may still have : Myopia, DL140 and now BMQ as scum. However, we may recover BMQ by lynching BJ and both him and DL140 are still less scummy than Myopia to me.

[Crola]

Ok, let's look at this the flipped way. What if BJ is telling the honest to god truth, BMQ could have verified him, but he turned on his buddy. That would make Puzzle and armlx mafia. We cannot throw this possibility out, especially since Puzzle and armlx are leading the town. If BJ does have a 50% role, which is very possible, and he shows up as "not SIN" then we know for a facte Puzz and armlx are scum. If I were to rewrite the list of innocence, armlx and puzzle woud not be at the top.

BTW, is Lubabah away or lurking?

[armlx]

Crola: Honestly, in this situation Occams Razor applies for the time being (aka the lynch). After that, feel free to get the cop to investigate me and the vig to vig Puzzle, or the vig to vig me and the cop to investigate Puzzle. What is simpler:

- Me and Puzzle pulled a mason gambit, someone blocked Baby Jesus from voting Puzzle, and Baby Jesus has a RB/cop/doc (assuming transporting them prevents night actions on them) role with a cop already revealed and the 50% chance, and Cloud is not in this game or is mafia

or

- BabyJesus is lying scum and me and Puzzle are masons.

[Crola]

armlx, using the term Occam's Razor in this situation, is basically saying to the town, shut the hell up and vote for BJ. First off, my vote is on BJ, second off, I don't like other people telling me what to do or how to think. It's typical scum play to stop people from thinking outside the box, which is what you're using Occam's razor for. This is a scum play by you. I say we lynch BJ and vig armlx tonight. Mneme should investigate Puzzle.

[mneme]

I'll keep my own council on whom I intend to investigate.

[armlx]

Crola: You are being redundant. Clearing one of us clears the other..... If anything, we should be cop investigated as our roles are ones we don't want to lose.

Mneme: Out of question, who did you try to investigate last night? If it was Myopia, didnt he claim he could block abilities targetting him? Or was that another game?

[mneme]

I was attempting to investigate Baby Jesus.