D.N. Does Star Wars (Town Victory)

[Kdub]

Ugh, this game has been painful for me with all the replacements and people catching up.

I'm not seeing any effort on your part to actually push a Wrath wagon at any point. Or even explain your read. Your vote has pretty much been affixed to Fennin for the long term.

Well that's pretty much what I said, so I agree. My vote was on Fennin and I was pushing him because I thought he was more likely to be scum. Whether you interpret that as "distancing" is your choice, but I don't think there's much more I can say to convince you.

I don't and never have thought Iece was scum.

Ah, I see, you claimed it was an RVS vote. Fair enough. What is your case on Elmo?

IIecRC, Iecerint thought Fennin was scummy for attacking Slandaar for attacking Malee (i.e. before the crumb had even been identified, back when Iecerint thought Slandaar was 110% obvtown and Malee was suspect). So reasonable people can think Fennin is scummy for reasons that have nothing to do with the crumb.

^This
The fact that people are still pushing about Fennin/BB for the breadcrumb thing rather than actual reasons he was suspicious is odd. If Fennin was town, scum are likely defending him for credit, otherwise why push him for weaker reasons than are out there? If Fennin was scum, it could be soft bussing, thinking that the wagon has stalled. I didn't think there was much chance of getting him lynched after he got replaced, but I'm definitely willing to switch back if this is going somewhere.

[DeathNote]

~splitfarvle replaces Otto Von Clark! We are down to one replacement left! I am so happy!!!!!~

[brizingre1]

Nero:
You are voting Iecerint, yet he does not appear on your scumlist. Why? I also don't understand your sudden suspicion of ooba. The post of his you quoted doesn't imply anything to me.

I don't and never have thought Iece was scum.


As far as ooba goes; I simply dislike being misrepped. I clearly stated that I didn't feel iece was scum but he posted TWICE about me accusing Iece and SD of being scum.

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@Nero:

"this is not what was said."

But it is the standard definition of 'chainsawing'. Your usage of it was contradictory. I shifted it to a neutral tell once it was obvious that's not what you meant anyway.
Surprised at your sudden jump at me though.

I'd support any of the following lynches.

ooba
fox
WC
SK
Elmo
SD
Slandaar

Prefered order of those lynches?
.

Elmo
SK
SD
WC
Slan
fox
ooba

@Briz Its still early in the DP. I understand that WC is your #2 choice for scum but why not vote sword

Because Foxace has just replaced out and I want to see sword's reads etc. before I vote.

And regarding the Slandaar thing, I didn't think that Slandaar was particularly scummy for not posting/posting when called out, but his reaction to being accused by MoI was slightly scummy, plus some other reads that felt slightly off. However, since then he hasn't been particularly scummy and MoI has been tunneling somewhat so he gets a null.

[Slandaar]

also where is SD magna?

Woohoo!!! Am I dreaming or is it actually true and this game is finally back back on again. (Sorry, I did not check over the weekend and only just realized that this is running again).

So... yeah... Expect content tomorrow.

Oh so It doesnt apply here then Magna hm?

You are accusing me of avoiding a thread. What proof is there that I didnt know thread existed? none.
SD/Anrius know of thread but just dont post

which is scummier?

Magna is scum its a contradiction in logic.

[Nero Cain]

I don't and never have thought Iece was scum.

Ah, I see, you claimed it was an RVS vote. Fair enough. What is your case on Elmo?

I'll be honest here. Its not some big mind-blowing case. Currently Elmo is posting all over the site. Maybe he doesn't know the game has restarted? He did that precrash as well. The few times he actually posted precrash made little or no sense to me. He also RVSed Malee, maybe some early buddy distancing? Still I think Elmo would make for an excellent day 1 lynch or vig.

[Iecerint]

Great. List your 4 biggest scum reads currently with a line or two about why each is scum.

I do not have 4 salient scumreads. I'm even ambivalent about WrathChild tbh, but I'm content to sheep Ooba.

[Shadow Dancer]

First of: Welcome to all those new players, most of which I do not know and will henceforth have a hell of a time figuring out which slots and reads to apply to them... Thanlks that you were willing to replace in anyway.

And thanks to DeathNote for doing everything to keep this game alive.

I hope things will stabilize now.

You are accusing me of avoiding a thread. What proof is there that I didnt know thread existed? none.
SD/Anrius know of thread but just dont post

which is scummier?

Magna is scum its a contradiction in logic.

It'll be a shitload of work to point out all the clumsy mud slinging slan has attempted to do on those suspecting him over the last few pages...

About the other point: How is you posting in the re-signup thread not indicative of you being aware that the game was going on? Explain that to me.

[Shadow Dancer]

...Catching up...

[...]And yes, that is a serious vote, not just to make a point. It appears from the first post that Fennin has been replaced, which is unfortunate. As I said earlier, that slot (BBmolla now) is still on my suspect list for future days, but I realize now we're not going to get any good explanation for Fennin's earlier play to get a wagon going on him today.[...]

Not entirely sure what you want to say with thism, but it reads a lot like this:
You cannot run a pressure waggon any more, a waggon on him would neccessarily be a potential lynch waggon and hence require solid reasoning to justify it - and that's why you back off it?
Or are you suggesting that replced slots are out of consideration for lynches? Given that like half the game has been replaced that's a luxury we cannot really affort.

[Shadow Dancer]

[...]Went back and looked. WrathChild is 2nd tier right now.

Unvote.
Vote: Fennin

I don't like people just throwing names around... Doesn't offer much of a read and looks a lot like alibi posting (Hey, look, I don't explain them but I

have

reads!)

I think I can agree on a

FoS Per

by now. I find his posting irritatingly non-yielding for quite a while now... (not that I could remember a lot of what he's posted, but that alone is pretty telling I guess)

[Shadow Dancer]

Fennin/BBMolla = breadcrumb of Yoda, which has still not been explained to my satisfaction.

And what exactly do you expect?! A full claim? Stop the role fishing.

[Shadow Dancer]

@MoI- http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?yq9rosqj023zbcq

Anything more than that and you'll have to wait until I can open 4 browsers at once. Otherwise, you can go and see me and WrathChild sniping at each other, and my Midnight diagnosis.

??! What would you need 4 browsers for?! Actually... What?! The?! Heck?!?! are you even talking about?!

[Shadow Dancer]

[...]I do not have 4 salient scumreads. I'm even ambivalent about WrathChild tbh, but I'm content to sheep Ooba.

To be honest I would be a lot relieved if at some point in time DeathNote would actually do something that would confirm that Iec does actually have that stupid post restriction...

And why is it always Iec who gets a role that is either absolutely IMBA or totally weirdo or even both in games we play together?

[MagnaofIllusion]

Peregrine, do you have a seperate role name and role?

@Peregrine

– You need to answer this in your next post!

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Iecerint pretty much refuses to commit to any reads or scum-hunt in his posting. Very non-commital and Anti-Town of you Iec.

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Slandaar

– Stop dodging and answer the four questions I asked in Post 288. They go directly to the heart of your bullshit attempt to fabricate a claimed inconsistency in my play.

You are accusing me of avoiding a thread. What proof is there that I didnt know thread existed? none.
SD/Anrius know of thread but just dont post

The massive inconsistency here is staggering.

You state that no ‘proof’ exists that you were avoiding the thread and thus you can’t be suspected. Nevermind that, once again, you were posting actively on site during the time frame when you ‘didn’t know’ the thread was open (5 or so Days) and had actively posted in the Reboot Queue thread stating you wanted to play (which you claim to never have checked again).

Simultaneously you make a statement (“SD/ Andrius know of thread but just don’t post”) that there is no ‘proof’ for. You cannot prove that they knew the tread was open. Again, nevermind that Andy posted with 2 days of the thread being open without being called out.

Yup – you are so starggeringly contradictory in your post it can ‘t be from a Town perspective IMO.

[Iecerint]

Iecerint is sorry.

Iecerint does not have restrictions in other games. Iecerint gets confused when he posts in lots in one sitting.

[DeathNote]

Vote Count

WrathChild

- Kdub, MagnaofIllusion, brizingre1 (L-8)

PeregrineV

- WrathChild (L-10)

BBmolla

- PeregrineV (L-10)

Elmo Teh Azn

- NeroCain (L-10)

MagnaofIllusion

- Slandaar (L-10)

With 20 alive, its 11 to lynch.

~Shmugen will replace Kurtis. Thanks Shmugen!!! I am prodding Elmo and anyone else who has not posted since the last reopening.~

[4nxi3ty]

up to pg. 9

got townvibes from malee's response to pressure

scumvibes from shadow's tone

fennin's jump on kise and slandaar felt like oppurtunistic scum.

vote: bbmolla

(fennin's replacement)

[SleepyKrew]

i so pro

[Kdub]

I'll be honest here. Its not some big mind-blowing case. Currently Elmo is posting all over the site. Maybe he doesn't know the game has restarted? He did that precrash as well. The few times he actually posted precrash made little or no sense to me. He also RVSed Malee, maybe some early buddy distancing? Still I think Elmo would make for an excellent day 1 lynch or vig.

OK, but if this is the extent of your case on your top suspect, it seems to conflict with your stance on ooba. You are saying that ooba, who you straight-up called scum for misrepresenting you, is lower on your suspect list than Elmo, yet you don't seem all that confident in your Elmo read.

...Catching up...

[...]And yes, that is a serious vote, not just to make a point. It appears from the first post that Fennin has been replaced, which is unfortunate. As I said earlier, that slot (BBmolla now) is still on my suspect list for future days, but I realize now we're not going to get any good explanation for Fennin's earlier play to get a wagon going on him today.[...]

Not entirely sure what you want to say with thism, but it reads a lot like this:
You cannot run a pressure waggon any more, a waggon on him would neccessarily be a potential lynch waggon and hence require solid reasoning to justify it - and that's why you back off it?
Or are you suggesting that replced slots are out of consideration for lynches? Given that like half the game has been replaced that's a luxury we cannot really affort.

A big part of my case was Fennin avoiding my questions to him. If he replaces out, and the questions are of a nature that his replacement can't answer them, there's not much I can do to pursue that case other than say his slot was suspicious and leave it at that. He's not off the table (I made this clear), but I recognize that it's unlikely that I will get a successful wagon on him when my main line of questioning is no longer viable.

[Andrius]

@Andy

- Don't worry ... I'm not buying anything Foxace is selling at this juncture ...

Awesome.

WELL ANDY THE POST WAS MADE IN A DISCUSSION THREAD BUT IM NOT TELL WHICH ONE BUT I THINK IT WAS DESTROYED BUT IM NOT SURE BUT IM TOO LAZY TO MOTHERFUCKING STARFLEET RAWR

>_>

Mod, can you indicate in the first post who is getting replaced?

Andy, do you suspect Slandaar because of the "avoiding the thread" thing and his response, or did you already suspect him? If the latter, what were your reasons for that?

I suspected him before and the reasons should have been made clear in previous posts. If this is not the case I'll gladly rewrite them for you.

Iece's isn't likely to be faked. Or at the least, a low likelyhood lf actually indicating his alignment on how he plays his character. If he ran around posting ITS A TRAP all day and only that then it would be scummy as its deliberately not helping. And while the post restriction isn't overly debilitating I don't think we can give him too much towncredit for working with a PR.

WrathChild's walls are alot of content and summary without actual reads. STILL waiting for them.

Andrius is voting me for posts which dont exist

SD/WC/Malee(sleepy)/Fennin
Thats team scum.

Point 1: The posts do exist.
Point 2: Me voting him for posts that does not exist is apparently not scummy since I'm not on his scumlist.
Point 3: Implies there's only one scumteam.

@Andy
Any particular reason for calling SK town? I have my theory since it was something I also thought about, but would like to hear yours (if any).
Just to correct the info, I was NK'd in Picto Mafia III during N1 for my reads - didn't flake.
Also I have something you might like in the next post.

SK is town because he replaced Malee who was town. That's about it for now; nothing he's done thus far makes me question this read.
Yes, you were NK'd as one of the few competent members of the town. :/

I like long walks on the beach, baked goods, sunsets, screaming MUNDOOOOOOOOOO in Skypecalls-

oh nevermind...

Ok apparently the posts that I remember existing in the game don't exist.

Here are the missing posts from 344-360. I added a zip in the fallout shelter but wasn't updated.
Had to manually format the posts (quotes and all) - I remember giving SD grief about multiple short posts in Olympus but I'd take an entire page of SD's posts than one wall of Andy's.

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Spoiler: 344\Andy

@Andrius: That still does not explain why you answered for Kise. Why would you try to find townie motivations for his actions and then openly speculate about them? Granted, he could in deed have townie motivations for it, but he should be well able to explain himself anyway.

I didn't answer for him.
I named a reasonable town-motivation for doing so (and screwing around earlygame ofc).
Answering for him would be more of a "this why he did" whereas I simply went "this is (really) the only townmotivation for doing that". Besides earlygame shenanigans ofc.

Not got anything else to comment on?

CDB and I tend to just insult each other for a while.

Protecting your scumbuddy while trying to distance yourself from him by insulhing him? ("for a while", otherwise it's too obvious)

I hereby announce that the RvS is over!

Because I'm the law!

You're wrong, and you're scum.

Why not give it up already and tell me who your scumbuddies are?

Aaaaaand he's scum why?

Iecerint has a post restriction me thinks :p.

By the way, I've at least seen 2 or 3 character breadcrumbs. What's the point of doing that since alignments are random and not based on the show?

Whatever you do don't point them out.
Some of us make a living on bread...
Furthermore I'm not quite sure why you said this- as breadcrumbing doesn't necessarily argue for one alignment or the other here as character does not guarantee alignment.

@Iecerint

– if you are faking a Post restriction drop it in your next post and never let it return. Very anti-Town to fake regardless of how great you think a play it is.

:approval:

Not really since it allowed Kise to dodge answering directly (which he did).

Well it certainly wasn't my intent to let him dodge.

Yep I'll stop bs around and get to work really soon, I thought it would be useful for later but it seems it's only going to give me a bad image.

How is BS useful later?
All it does is stink and clutter the thread.

Vince seems like scum

Well.
Seems like scum is cool and all but is that a "seems like scum (and that's that)" or do you plan on doing anything with it?

@Vincnet- Did you ignore the rule about congratulating on purpose to piss off the mod?

Where did I break the congratulating rule anyways?

Nothing else to comment on? +1 scum

Agreed.

Unvote, Vote: Vincent####

Second off:

HOLY CRAP! STOP THE CRUMBING! This game claims to have no alignment bearing flavor, BUT this may not apply to role abilities.

One does not simply tell The Baker to stop breadcrumbing.
Yes you're right about the latter so stop talking about it[?]

Is this where he was scum in

the last game

your game?

Yep

Me and kdub...kdub and I....

*breaks under pressure*

ARE LOVERS!!!!

...are you allowed to love? I thought that was forbidden for a Jedi.

fuck the council and the dewback they rode in on.

Here's the problem, Nero never claimed to be a Jedi. Why would Kdub imply that love was forbidden for a JEDI, when there are obviously non-Jedi Characters in this game?

Kdub KNEW Nero was a Jedi. I think real-claiming lovers is about as dumb as it gets and I don't think Nero and Kdub are dumb. So that being said I am going to assume that they have an outside means of communication, which I am going to assume is a scum-QT. I'm going to:

UN-RVS-VOTE: Kdub and REAL-Vote: Kdub

Let's assume they actually ARE lovers.
And one of them is a Jedi.
Like, OH I DON'T KNOW, ANAKIN/PADME.
They would naturally know who each other are character-wise.
So Kdub knowing Nero was a Jedi is not a stretch.
Furthermore their "outside communication" is the Lover QT.

Uh, that was a continuation of the lovers thing. It was a direct quote from Episode 2 because I was playing along.

And suddenly that makes a bit more sense.



Malee is town for the massive wall thing.
Also has a point that WrathChild though they were scum despite thinking the lovers thing was a joke.
Though I will tell you now a shitload of "Null Reads" will soon be :notacceptable:.

Malee please view the activity overview

Now

If you can explain why you felt the need to make some huge town looking analysis which says very little when the game has only been out of RVS for about 3 pages that would be great.

STOP
HATIN IS BAD
If she wants to put in :crazyeffort: that's fine.
You're basically accusing her of trying while not actually calling it scum/town-motivated.
I'm sorry but that just doesn't float, and does much better than the guy not caring to follow rules.

Unvote, Vote: Slandaar

post count thing was me saying I have posted more than most.

Malee is prob scum

Because post count clearly justifies being tow- oh wait it does if you're Benmage right?

<spoilertag>OH WAIT NO IT DOESN'T</spoilertag>

Too bad you're not Benmage eh?

as town you would not care because you didnt post for towncred

Ummmmmmmmm I post for towncred as town.
Its a whole lot easier to get what you want when you're obvtown.

Though at the same time Slandaar does make a good point on the "OMGUS because you didn't think that was town" and he did a good job shaking my read. :/
No wait Malee didn't vote you or call you scum, Slandaar.
All she did was say "thats a scummy comment".

Nero Cain's fearmongering point on Malee is valid.

@Malee – I appreaciate the large content drop. One question – why did you actively spoiler your reads on players in that series of posts? I see no reason to do that.

Yeah me having to click all of those was a pain. :/

It also reduces the “I’m a hero” syndrome that single player Vigs tend to fall into – hitting their scum reads early as opposed to hitting lurkers

Some of us just happen to be really awesome Vigs.

If you are trying to say providing mass quantities of reads and content is scummy then prepare to eat blaster-fire. There is not one reason to take such a stance at this stage of the game.

DING DING DING

No, it's not a contradiction. Town decides who to shoot. If you are town and personally disagree with the target, it is still anti-town to break rank and shoot someone else because you are decreasing the town's influence.

Yes but the blindly-follow-the-leader without vigilante is what got the Republic turned into the EMPIRE.

Also don't understand the "Leaning Town" on Andrius at all. You think Fennin is prob. scum but Andrius not jumping on Fennin is a town tell? And he knows a good vote from a bad one?
-- Andrius: Scum by association if Malee is scum.

[crying] oobakin, you're breaking my heart! You're going down a path I cannot follow!
But seriously.
How am I scum if Malee is scum?
Do you not think I am town?
DONT MAKE ME ISO YOU YOU SITH CAT.

Also my vote was perfectly fine on multiple levels.
First off not voting whilst entering the game is bad. ---> Voteworthy.
Secondly if he is indeed Darth Maul there is perfectly good reason for me to be voting that Sith Scumbucket of Sithy Slime.
Try again SithCat.

@Malee – Are you an Alt? Don’t lie to me about it I will find out if you are.

The avatar makes me think LLD
And that makes me want to bang my head against the wall.

annoying walls of posts to justify activity and scum hunting, I have scum vibes ...

Vote: Malee

So Slandaar I didn't realize you had an alt in the game.
Scum vibes are fun and all but WHY is she scum for
1) being active
2) giving reads
3) not posting BS like another person we know...

My impression from the OP is that not everyone has guns. I suspect that people that don't have some awesome power probably have a blaster (i.e. VTs). I think it would be wise if we didn't discuss blaster plans too openly.

In general its 'k to be PEW PEW PEW from this list.
Its not 'k to go "ok who has a PEW PEW PEW and who has a BZZZT", etc.

annoying walls of posts to justify activity and scum hunting, I have scum vibes ...

Vote: Malee

Holy shit.

This guy, guys. This guy.

LETS GO RYZE ILL TANK TURRETFIRE FOR YOU PEW PEW PEW
But Slandaar first?

Are you an Alt? Don't lie to me about it I will find out if you are.

No, why do you ask? Maybe you have a déja-vu about the formatting of my reads, since I 'borrowed' it from Robotnick2, another player I played with in another game.

Anime avatar? Check.
Female? Check.
Tryharding? Check.
We found us a live one, guys.
You don't happen to be a fan of Umineko no naku koro ni would you?

Too many questions being directed at me not enough time to answer

I am town.

so no more suspicions need to come my way.

OK? OK!

Now let me scumhunt without being asked tons of useless questions.

You're shitting me.

Right?

As much as I am a diehard Star Wars fan I don't feel that I have the capability to keep up with this game and its many players. I think it might be better if I replaced out and let someone else more capable to play in stead of me.

@Mod: Replacing out, requesting replacement.

At least you realized this early-on.

Ooba : I have a leaning town read on Andrius, yes. It's my first impression, but he didn't post much. Leaning town doesn't mean strong town read.

ITS K IM HERE NOW
DEMACIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
*spins*


Oh wait.
WHY ON EARTH DID YOU POINT OUT SOMEONE ELSE'S BREADCRUMBS?

*sigh* this is slightly annoying. Not sure if the reason that Malee and Slandaar can't/didn't read is b/f thier newbyness or what.

Malee = New, prob. Alt

Slandaar =/= New

That is kind of scummy in my opinion. Why would someone playing a potentially powerful role like yoda want to crumb it?

Absolutely!!

Clearly you don't know the various joys, tastes, and flavors of breadcrumbing.
I would strongly advocate having a cursory knowledge of this art.

So wait, you are saying that MoI and SD attacking a painfully obvious townie is in their town meta? Or that Slandaar is town?

I didn't say they attack people who THEY consider to be painfully obvious. Slaandar's play is very similar to chesskid\gandalf in Battle for Olympus -very opinionated intuitive scumhunters. MoI\SD are pure logical players who will rip apart any logical mistakes made by scum. And since intuitive players make jumps that sometimes defy logic, they tend to appear scum-like to them.
I tend to do better at spotting townies in the intuitive category since I scumhunt by "vibe" and "feel" too.

CHESSKID is just lazy and while correct, doesn't actually do anything with reads besides HEY GUYS I FOUND SCUM.
I think its a bit early to be comparing him to chesskid methinks.

Man, I wish you guys wouldn't point out those crumbs!!

THIS THIS THIS

Replacing out when overwhelmed is not strictly a towntell.
Scum can do it too.

Welcome UberNinja. Please don't crumb, post fluff or vote against me and I'll be very happy :p

Crumbing can be very town.
Your hatred against MY PROFESSION is noted.
Hating OMGUS is also bad. :/

I also find the Fennin claim suspect. Why breadcrumb a character unless you are going to refer back to it. The role could be breadcrumbed by either, and be null. But purposefully crumbing a character generally thought of as good seems suspicious, since alignment is not based on characters
But people will react with prejudice that Yoda is good even though that may not be his alignment this game. You know, since it's Yoda.

If he isn't Yoda then he's insta-scum.
Only scum have reason to breadcrumb things that are not their role.
Open 239 anyone?

You say I am mafia?!!

No I was just curious, something struck me as very odd. Where did I say you were scum? Keep your shirt on!

Please do- let's not get the lil' lady all hot and bothered now.

ArmoredSaint, are you a native English speaker?

Every time I see someone do this I think of Vas in Greek Mythos. (And I sigh and wish he were here.)
But what do you hope to gain from this?

vote:male you die now mafia

"Read: What the- ARE U SRS!?"

/MS wins the thread

well hes voting malee so hes ok for now

Trolling games is not ok.

Ok let me make this abundantly clear:
I don't care if you can find breadcrumbs.
There is no town-motivation for outing them.
Period.

- The Baker

Spoiler: 345\Iecerint

Every time I see someone do this I think of Vas in Greek Mythos. (And I sigh and wish he were here.)
But what do you hope to gain from this?

Iecerint hopes the gain the same thing Iecerint hoped to gain when Iecerint asked this question in Greek Mythology. ArmoredSaint could be tone-misinterpreted due to English issues.
Iecerint thinks this should not be a difficult connection to make, especially since Andy already got the Greek Mythology connection?

Andy sees the game differently from Iecerint. (This last is Iecerint's comment on Andy's post as a whole.)

Spoiler: 346\Andy

Andy remembers the Greek Mythos connection but doesn't really remember what happened because of it. He remembers using it to beat people over the head and do the WHY ARE WE WASTING TIME thing but. :/

Spoiler: 347\MS

I really really REALLY need to give this game a once over- but I've been preoccupied with other things lately, so it might have to wait a little longer. /shrug

/shameless prod dodge is shameless

Spoiler: 348\Slandaar

What rule did I break Andrius?

also if you could explain why my accusation on Malee is more likely from scum me than town me?
Magna you can answer that also.

Spoiler: 349\Iece

Andy remembers the Greek Mythos connection but doesn't really remember what happened because of it. He remembers using it to beat people over the head and do the WHY ARE WE WASTING TIME thing but. :/

Iecerint reminds you that your scummate Jack started attacking Vasu because of a misinterpretation of his use of English. Iecerint was ambivalent about whether it was innocent, and Iecerint asked Vasu said question to make the misinterpretation clear.

/drunkpost

Spoiler: 350\Kdub

Sorry for the lack of activity lately, the next week or so is going to be a bit busy for me.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Fennin

Refusal to address anything other than his breadcrumb when the case on him encompasses more than that. I've asked Fennin twice about his stance on Slandaar/Malee, and he has ignored it both times.

Kurtis and WC are still suspicious.

Even though I have tended to agree with Slandaar's reads, I don't like how he bailed on his argument to accuse Magna of deflecting. If the argument against you is flawed, then address it directly.

Spoiler: 351\Magna

Yay, Andy is Town also. Please don’t pull another LoL-fueled absence like you did in Feast Andy.

I find it fascinating the number of “WrathChild is scummy and vote-worthy” comments that are being made all of which aren’t accompanied with votes towards WrathChild. If WrathChild does flip scum I’m guessing at least one of his partners is in the group that as of this post is doing what I see as possible soft-distancing.

And Kdub is still scum for his parked vote on Kurtis (which he made in Post 94 and did nothing with after that point), his "let's direct Blaster fire it's totesTown' post and his soft distancing from WrathChild.

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He's extremely active on the rest of the site but is inactive here which I find to be a fairly good indication of scum.

You do understand this tell only works if said player is under significant pressure, right?

For the record – my limited experience with Elmo is “scatterbrained pre-VI Newb” so don’t expect support for his wagon at this stage with more active scummy players around. He’s always a possible PEW PEW as needed.

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Trying to be a hero Magna?

Interesting.

Your continued inability to respond to my points and using deflection is noted.

also if you could explain why my accusation on Malee is more likely from scum me than town me?

Well Town doesn’t tend to fabricate “Posting like that is totally more likely to come from scum than Town” tells like you did at that stage. So by default it tends to come from scum.

But since you are in the mood –

Please explain why my play regarding calling you scum is more likely to come from scum than Town. I’m very much awaiting that insight. That is if you don't drop it like a hot-cake like you did every other point you don't want to refute.

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I don't think it's me - equating playstyle with scumminess. I try to spot people who don't sound genuine and are opportunistic. Malee's hop on WC at that particular moment felt opportunistic to me.

Well I disagree. I don’t see that vote as opportunistic in the usual sense of scum attacking Town that made a dumb move. If anything it at most is a sign of possible early distancing (since Wrath has disappeared from Malee’s radar despite being very scummy) but that is dependant on Wrath’s flip.

And your including both on your early Post 147 list strikes me as odd given that the main lynchpin of your suspicion on Malee there is based on Wrath being Town.

@MoI: Why is Shadow obv-town though?

Much for the same reason you find Slaandar Town (god knows why, I might add) I find Shadow obv-Town. He’s approaching the game from a logical and Townie centered thought process.

His questions to Andrius around Post 73 follow my line of thinking – wanting to know why Andy short-circuited some Kise inquiry.

I feel similar to him regarding Slaandar’s poor early attack on Malee (which, as a side-note is another reason your Slaandar read is odd given you liked her string of reads per Post 147 ).

Post 317 oozes Town – he correctly identifies the portion of the Fennin pressure related to crumbing as crap (which it is) and correctly states that Fennin needs to provide actual readable content.

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Iecerint thinks there is a difference between disagreeing with accompanying counter-reasoning (what Ooba did) and questioning someone's competence (what you did). Iecerint thinks this is why it is scummy in your case, but not Ooba's.

Well given that isn’t even close to what actually occurred I’m just going to lay it out since you have this ‘post restriction’.

Ooba suggests that I can’t read ‘intuitive players’ and that he is much better at that. His assertion is that my read on Slaandar is incorrect.

I suggest that he can’t read ‘logical players’ and that I am much better at that. I assert his read on Malee is incorrect (or was at the stage where he was calling her a top scum suspect since she's dropped down the list since then).

Your attempt to portray our statements as anything other than directly analogous is at best incorrect factually.

Spoiler: 352\Andy

I'm sorry but that just doesn't float, and does much better than the guy not caring to follow rules.

This was not in reference to you, Slandaar.
Didn't I make it quite clear in my post why you're scum?
If not feel free to let me know and I'll take a more chesskid Magna-esque approach to case-building on you.

Iece - Yeah, that seems about right. And you and Jack were 1v1ing for awhile and everyone was like TOWN V TOWN.
Then Vas died and ooba got confirmed.

Yay, Andy is Town also. Please don’t pull another LoL-fueled absence like you did in Feast Andy.

Its funny because I called LoL the "Bane of my MS existance" while playing the other day.
But yeah, as long as I'm caught up I do fine. (But really Magna, I don't know why you are complaining about my AFFC play. )

Slandaar and his alt are first for the ropes Magna.
Inquiries can be refered to the Jedi Temple.
I don't remember your stance on him off the top of my head but that push on

the LLD alt

Malee was very Sith-like.

Spoiler: 353\Andy

Much for the same reason you find Slaandar Town (god knows why, I might add)

NM I found it.

Spoiler: 354\Magna

Slandaar and his alt are first for the ropes Magna.

Andy - if WrathChild's wagon doesn't gain the steam necessary in the next few days I will join you.

What do you think of Wrath and Kdub?

Spoiler: 355\Iece

Iecerint thinks that it is pretty much always technically valid to reframe "questioning competence" as "asserting superior competence." Iecerint does not think that this is anything other than reframing the phenomenon.

Spoiler: 356\Nero

He's extremely active on the rest of the site but is inactive here which I find to be a fairly good indication of scum.

You do understand this tell only works if said player is under significant pressure, right?

For the record – my limited experience with Elmo is “scatterbrained pre-VI Newb” so don’t expect support for his wagon at this stage with more active scummy players around. He’s always a possible PEW PEW as needed.

no? I think it works just fine with lurk lurk lurk without pressure. If Elmo is scum then he'd have no reason to stop lurking unless he comes under significant pressure. Though our vig is like a second lynch so if he gets vigged here soon then I'll be happy.

vote:wrathchild

Spoiler: 357\Slan

Well Town doesn’t tend to fabricate “Posting like that is totally more likely to come from scum than Town” tells like you did at that stage. So by default it tends to come from scum.

But since you are in the mood –

Please explain why my play regarding calling you scum is more likely to come from scum than Town. I’m very much awaiting that insight. That is if you don't drop it like a hot-cake like you did every other point you don't want to refute.

Prove it

Show me another game where someone has posted so much content on page 6.

Or are you making things up to defend your accusation?

More likely to come from scum because;

Scum Magna - Town Malee (if Malee scum its obvious why)
'town effort posted and is being attacked by town, easy opportunity for meeee + buddy points with Malee bonus'

Then we have Town Magna - Malee???
'Malee effort walled and is being attacked wtf?'
Which implies the accusation on Malee I made is completely valid because the effect as scum she would be looking for worked.

If we look through the actual content of the walls... well there isnt much is there?

You cant see this though which is ridiculously scummy... You cannot get off thinking on L0, which indicates scum generally.

Thats why anyone looking at me is likely scum, because the thought process behind the attack is too low a level from town or they are really bad. you do not seem really bad therefore I come to scum.

Spoiler: 358\Malee

Save your breath Slandaar, I'm town no matter what the others alignments are.

Also no I didn't distance from Slandaar, but Slandaar is town for his actively contributions.

Weird post by Fennin since I pointed out a link between him and Kurtis in #324, not you. Why did you ignore his post?

Anime avatar? Check.
Female? Check.
Tryharding? Check.

We found us a live one, guys.

You don't happen to be a fan of Umineko no naku koro ni would you?

I already told MoI that I wasn't anyone's avatar, feel free to check out if you want. And I don't know a lot of Anime stuff besides some classics I grew up with. Besides, what has this to do with this game?

About revealing crumbs, I only revealed a really obvious one, and that's because Slandaar didn't get it. If it was right or wrong to do it is another story, it's not like I revealed some some ubber town PR ready to get killed by scum, we don't know anything about Yoda's abilities. But I get it and I won't do it again, promise!

Spoiler: 359\Slan

I know he didnt distance from me...

Spoiler: 360\Kurtis

No I didn't it was an obvious mistake I was in a hurry I meant Fennin not Slandaar stop trying to make me appears as scum I'm not

Vote: Malee

<3 ooba

Hey Slandaar the posts exist.

Also dont listen to SD hes being ridiculous because hes scum.

I'm leaning town on SD.

Also I keep thinking you're Enigma with that avatar. :/

ooba has also disappeared from the site twice in the past year. I'm not really surprised at his low activity.

I know this to be true but when he does he disappears completely. Scum ooba does tend to post in a very different way than Town ooba. Look at Back to the Future Mafia (if it still exists) or Atomic Mafia as examples.

Now that he’s here and posting I think I’ll be able to get a good read on him.

So I'm limiting my exposure to LoL, Magna. As I said inthread I was V/LA through the weekend so Monday was the first day I really had to read. I TRY MY MASTER.

I keep on top of you because I care Andy. I had no reason to keep you motivated in AFFC because it suited my purposes to have disintested Andy around for possible mislynch. Here I don’t want you sliding into disintrest. Town needs all the voices it can get active given we have so many missing players currently.

Yes- when he does disappear he does completely. I'm really not keen on reading pages from another game when I hardly have the motivation to be onsite to begin with (LoL) so. :/ But if I'll keep it in mind.

True. And it makes sense as well. I apologize for going missing from the site and/or thread- when I do post on-site its usually in the LoL thread and to be honest I'm not on nearly as much as I used to (playing LoL). Yes, I'm addicted to the damn game. But playing on Skype with Scummers really makes the game amazing. (And makes me want to go to Scummer of Love but.) :/

Hello Captain Scumbag!!!

Let’s look closely at this folks …in Post 177 Slandaar calls out the WrathChild as a member of the scum-team.

Yet when called to explain his read he says what we see at Post 204.

If Slandaar was Town looking to hang scum and listed WrathChild as a member of his suspected scum team you would think he would have no problem actually saying why he is scum or voting him.

But instead we get this – “I don’t want to fuel his wagon because I want my Shadow wagon (which no-one buys) instead”. That’s not a sign of Town hunting scum.

That’s a scum-claim.

NICE FIND
If anyone doesn't follow this please ask.

@Andy can you explain your SK town read?

SK replaced Malee.
Malee was town.
Therefore SK is town.
Unless we're not talking about SleepyKrew.

WC recaps have the stench of IOA.

Yup.

WRATHCHILD:
Can you do a simple list of reads like this:

Your_Name_Here

TOWN:

Leaning Town:

Unsure/Lurkers/Viable_Reason_To_Not_Have_A_Read_Here:

Leaning Scum:

SCUM:

Thanks.

Week of game deadtime was awesome

played LoL the entire time

.

Huzzah!

At this stage I think my thoughts are pretty well established and I want to hear reads and thoughts from all our helpful replacements!

Thanks to all of you no matter what your alignment turns out to be! You can't play Mafia without players!

This so much.

I have very similar feelings re magna...

Interesting.

Who is this in response to?
Context helps please.

i wanted a closer look at Slandaar (didn''t like his jump on Malee), Fennin (for crumbing the way he did), and ShadowDancer (for a reason i can't remember right off of the top of my head).
expect me to be active as of Monday..

Am eager to hear reasoning.

The scum-tell of ‘showing up

only

when called out while being active elsewhere on site’ applies right here.

OK I can explain this better now

Magna is saying im scum for only posting when called upon when previous to this I had clearly shown proactiveness and not needed to be 'called on' there is no reason not to believe my version of events based on my previous actions unless you are tunneling mega hard and just dont want to... from someone who is supposed to be so logical this is illogical. Like literally he doesnt want to believe my version because he thinks he can force the lynch through it makes too much sense from scum. He pushed this for pages and pages...

Then we get his other suspects feeling the same way about him... Is it coincidence? no. Does Magna always tunnel so hard on people? <- genuine question, I dont know the answer.

Magna is also trying to influence who is blastered without actually directing it as such.

I think I still prefer SD lynch

But really Magnascum seems very possible...

Magna always tunnels hard.
Get used to it.

Still catching up, about to finish the thread before the clash took place, scum reads so far:
Malee
WrathChild
Slandaar
Will post in more depth when I've fully caught up, should be able to finish reading by this evening.

Who are you willing to vote out of them?

YES YES YES
IM ALMOST HOME
AND THEN I'LL PROVIDE
*content*

YES

Ok somehow I expected to be notified when this was open again.
Anywho reading tomorrow. Sleep now.

I don't get it.

YES YES YES
IM ALMOST HOME
AND THEN I'LL PROVIDE
*content*

Failure to actually do this in your next post will result in me reaching through the Internet and giving you an

Atomic Wedgie

.

You're

how old

?

Now that you have caught up you need to actually explain this read.

He doesn't seem to be making much of an effort to actually scumhunt, seems to be kind of lurking on the sidelines poking at people, pointing out fairly obvious stuff or just taking the piss out of people.
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p3924115
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p3924140

Don't worry, MoI says Andy is obv-town, so just trust him or he'll call you scum 500 times.

No need for an attitude- especially since that will get you killed.
The blindingly following someone without questioning.
Even Magna can be scum

only in Eddard games

.
So do you think I'm town independent of Magna's thoughs?

I'm going to ignore role-related conversation since I've already yelled at people for pointing out breadcrumbs and move on.

i so pro

This is not game content.

Vote's still on Slandaar from aeons ago.
Old players need to catch up.
New players need to get adjusted.
I need to stay active.

[Iecerint]

Iecerint got in trouble and encountered consequences.

The PR was not enhanced, though, contrary to DN's prior alluison. Rather, Iecerint has acquired a deleterious new passive "ability" (mod's language) that Iecerint will not elaborate on.

Iecerint does not know whether the passive ability is permanent, but Iecerint assumes so.

[PeregrineV]

No time tonight. Maybe tomorrow after work.

[Nero Cain]

SD please stop multiposting like that.

I'll be honest here. Its not some big mind-blowing case. Currently Elmo is posting all over the site. Maybe he doesn't know the game has restarted? He did that precrash as well. The few times he actually posted precrash made little or no sense to me. He also RVSed Malee, maybe some early buddy distancing? Still I think Elmo would make for an excellent day 1 lynch or vig.

OK, but if this is the extent of your case on your top suspect, it seems to conflict with your stance on ooba. You are saying that ooba, who you straight-up called scum for misrepresenting you, is lower on your suspect list than Elmo, yet you don't seem all that confident in your Elmo read.

its day 1 with not alot going on yet. Expecting a big gigantic case seems like a pipe dream. I think its fairly possible that ooba mistook my statement so I still want to watch his slot. There's always a shred of doubt in the back of my mind, you should know this b/c in capcom I pegged 4/5 scum on page 6 but doubts knawed at me and I ended up voting others. +vi's and lurkers are somewhat difficult to read. Still gut says Elmo isn't town.

[Shmugen]

Hello, all! A reading will be coming tomorrow along with some juicy content. I had an eye on this game before the crash, is there still some sort of odd 'everyone must congratulate you' clause bouncing around for avatar changes?

~No. With all the issues that appeared in the game, I will not be enforcing that rule.~

[ooba]

Hmm. Let's see. About eight days to deadline.

Lynches I oppose: (Town read - don't see these changing)

18. Iecerint
20. Slandaar

Lynches I won't support today: (Town read but some might change depending on flips)

1. MagnaofIllusion
2. Kdub
17. ShadowDancer

4. SleepyKrew Malee
- Decent town vibes from Malee. SK not providing content is a bit distressing but sticking to original read.
3. PeregrineV
- Same scumlist as mine and voted both of them (WC\Fennin). Didn't look like bussing votes.

Lynches I'd rather not have:

14. Nero Cain
- Despite the misunderstanding about the chainsaw, has been consistent in his views during the game. We dont agree on some scum reads (SK,Slan) but overall posting appears protown.
16. brizingre1idanyboy Kise
- Town vibes from Kise early on. Also like brizingre's scum\town list.
9. Nexus
- Pure gut; reminds me of his play in Test of Faith Mafia. (where he was town)

Those who I'd rather lynch before anybody above but still prefer next category below:

5. Andrius
6. Elmo Teh AzN
7. Kurtis
8. Midnight's Sorrow
10. 4nxi3ty ChannelDelibird
12. sword_of_omensFoxace36 Vincent2128
13. splitfarvle Otto Von Clark

My top choices for lynches today:

15. BBmolla Fennin
11. WrathChild

Unvote. Vote: WC.

[BBmolla]

If we decide to start a wagon on me, let me claim what I can do as Yoda so I can shut that wagon down swiftly.