TM2012: White Flag Mafia (Game Over)

[Equinox]

Vote Count 1.12

Captain Haddock (3) - Amrun, Bub Bidderskins, Matias
Thestatusquo (3) - singersigner, Cogito Ergo Sum, Zachrulez
Cogito Ergo Sum (2) - Llamarble, Benmage
Benmage (1) - Johhog
Johhog (1) - Regfan
Matias (1) - Captain Haddock

Not Voting (2) - SocioPath, Thestatusquo

With 13 alive, it's 7 to lynch.

The deadline is Monday, May 21, 2012, at 12:00 AM EDT (UTC-4).

[Amrun]

Why the hell is Johhog an "easy lynch"?

He's a player in this game that I'm currently interested in.

Seriously? Look at the player list.

[Johhog]

Why the hell is Johhog an "easy lynch"?

He's a player in this game that I'm currently interested in.

Seriously? Look at the player list.

Fuck all of you. Have I even played with you before?

I'll reread a little and hopefully put together a post this evening.

[Amrun]

That wasn't meant as an insult, Johhoq. I was in the exact same position last year, and still somewhat this year. You and Haddock are just less experienced than the rest of this playerlist. Weakestt becomes quite relative when the overall level is high.

[Johhog]

Sorry, my post sounded harsher than it was meant to be, it was supposed to be half joke half serious. But yeah, I get what you mean.

[Amrun]

kuribo says to tell you that it's because you're an unknown quantity so people would be more likely to lynch you. This is definitely true; I concur.

[Matias]

I don't think that's true, but to each his own. I just think it has to do with perception of competency and respect, not sign up date.

[Amrun]

Well, that's exactly what I'm saying. So not sure why you're disagreeing.

[Llamarble]

PeregrineV thinks that CES is scum.

GreyICE says this seems highly unlikely.

[Johhog]

What? That CES is scum or that PeregrineV thinks that CES is scum?

[Llamarble]

That Peregrine thought CES was scum

[Johhog]

Why?

Zar also suspects him now btw.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

The only discussion that the TSQ wagon has produced is that I've called it a frustrating waste of vote-time, and that could've been accomplished equally well by you and the other players on it not voting at all. I think TSQ lurking and posting in other threads is scummy, but he can be voted later once he shows up and is available to actually interact with his accusers / provide something for people to actually talk about. And I would expect you of all people to feel the same way.

That's not an explanation of my actions.

This post is also CES' third "I'm going to dismiss this out of hand with no particular explanation."
I don't like all the defanging of stuff without offering a useful alternative. It makes the game more passive.
CES is all oneliners and no push this game.

I think the lesson there is people should stop putting forward ideas that are dumb and boring.

Quote tag fixed. (Equinox)

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

That points out an interesting trend of CES not making real arguments, but I digress. CES responded to Llamarble's vote on you by saying "nope". Llamarble pointed out his reasons for voting me and then you stepped in and defended CES' position for him.

Haddock was arguing against the notion that he was scum. My position (which is that Llamarble is scums) has literally nothing to do with what Haddock was arguing.

[Llamarble]

My explanation of your actions is that you're not trying to find scum but are instead doing things you think will look reasonable like voting a lurker and shooting stuff down.

Johhog I don't feel comfortable going any further down this line yet until I'm surer of the rules around talking about teammates.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

My explanation of your actions is that you're not trying to find scum but are instead doing things you think will look reasonable like voting a lurker and shooting stuff down.

That doesn't sound like me. Are you sure you're not confusing with me with someone who's not good at playing scum? FEZ, maybe?

[Regfan]

1.

That didn't clear up my confusion of the reason he gave for voting CES.

2.

His post about explaining things was in the context of my reasons for voting him, not his reason for voting me and nothing he's posted has contradicted what I've said.

3.

This has been discussed so I will just say this, has his analysis this game came up with any reason for voting anyone? His case on CES was made by Bub.

GOD. You really aren't reading. I'll go over this one more time and slowly, if you don't understanding it still get your team-mates to explain it to you.

1. His reasoning for voting CES was that he voted Llarmable thinking that scum would bandwagon on Lllarmable given what happened last year. CES placed the 3rd 'bandwagon'v ote on Llarmable therefore he thought CES was mafia.

2. His 'question' to Zach had NOTHING to do with a read on you from himself but rather a read on Zach. Zach stated that avoiding a bandwagon = a scum-tell. Your RVS vote on me and not joining the Llarmable lynch = avoiding a bandwagon, yes? Zach said that he didn't have a scum-read on you. Notice the contradiction there from Zach? That's what Matias meant when he said 'it's not too early'. His entire scum read on you stems from the fact that he thinks you're not reading his posts correctly and are jumping at things, which is correct but I don't think is a scum-tell in this case.

[SocioPath]

Oh and Socio, we want all your teams reads on this game please and thank you.

As far as present time is concerned, just consider everyone in my team to be a bunch of bumbling fools who know nothing of finding scum. Much like myself.
You'd think none of them have ever played mafia before.
Obviously no one has any insight on anything, and should be treated as such.

And who on his wagon looks interesting to you? Come on Socio, get in the game here.

Contextual clues aside, the way Matias snaked his way in is amazing.
The amounts of cognitive dissonance for that vote is neat.
It is like the six degrees of Captain Haddock in here.

Why the hell is Johhog an "easy lynch"?

I agree.

Vote: Johhog

Let us see just how easy this guy is.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Scum: Thestatusquo, benmage, Llamarble
Back-up scum: Bud Bibberskins, Captain Haddock, Amrun

[Bub Bidderskins]

Oh and Socio, we want all your teams reads on this game please and thank you.

As far as present time is concerned, just consider everyone in my team to be a bunch of bumbling fools who know nothing of finding scum. Much like myself.
You'd think none of them have ever played mafia before.
Obviously no one has any insight on anything, and should be treated as such.

Given the fact that you are on the team that won last year, I find it hard to believe that none of them have any opinions on this game.

[Bub Bidderskins]

Or maybe I just don't know them well enough.

[Matias]

Well, that's exactly what I'm saying. So not sure why you're disagreeing.

Experience reads to me as "how long you have been playing", so

I mean, it's all semantics. Johhog to me is not an easy lynch. No one is.

[Cogito Ergo Sum]

Except Captain Haddock.

[Amrun]

Well, that's exactly what I'm saying. So not sure why you're disagreeing.

Experience reads to me as "how long you have been playing", so

I mean, it's all semantics. Johhog to me is not an easy lynch. No one is.

I just didn't feel like getting into a huge diatribe. There are lots of factors. It's not really important.


Socio, it was cute but it's getting old. There is zero reason not to share your team's reads with us. ZERO.

[SocioPath]

IT IS AMUSING THAT YOU THINK SUCH.