Open 418 - Friends and Fun Times at the Fair (Game Over)

[Soben]

I don't see him pressuring anyone at all; he was responding to RP who was attacking him and his scumhunting seems non-existent so I don't see where you're coming from at all. What do you make of shotgun replacing out and can you explain to me who you think work well with him as partners.

[Code_X]

Howdy.

I see my slot has been particularly useful

Not yet read the thread, will do so this evening.

In the meantime everyone who's scum?

[TeChNoWC]

Hey Code

drmy is scum.

Bork's slot worries me because of his flip-flopping read on drmy, like he couldn't make up his mind whether to bus or protect his scumbuddy. Plus he seemed very concerned about the attention on drmy.

Potack is town, this looks very much like his townplay and I like his reads
Red is likely town
Venmar's slot is town, lines up with his townplay

Soben I am not so sure of.
And I don't like andrews flaking yet posting it up in other games.

[Chrimi]

Looks like I"ll mostly be sheeping Techno. Except that Soben is town.

And I'm really only kinda leaning town on him, depends on what his replacement is gunna do.

[Soben]

Welcome Code_X, I suggest you work on getting through this thread and getting your thoughts up asap (This goes to all other future replacements as well) because this game is stagnating hardcore and right now seems to be a position where shotgun will inevitably be the lynch at the end of today and I don't share the strength or scum-read that others do on him - I think a lot of it is just due to him being a poor player who reacted badly to pressure rather than all-out-scumminess.

What I will echo is that Potak and RedPanda are blindingly obvious town and I've really liked McStabs latest post despite it being his only contribution.

Techs town-read on Venmar from meta still hasn't checked out - I've read around and his play in this game matches none of his prior play or current play whatsoever so Techs defence of him and attempt to push him up to 'town' for no real in-game reason continues to be terrible. With that said quite a bit of the other things he's said has matched my thoughts almost to the tee and I find 'following a logical mindset' to be one of the hardest for scum to keep up with so don't neccesarily think that Techs scum here, moreso just town that's stuck himself into a confirmation-bias sort of meta read on Venmar.

I don't like Chrimis contributions so far - it fits more in line with scum jumping in and pushing forward a mslynch slightly while not having the thread (thus the whole 'town reads without reasoning and all gut') then anything else though I'd be best doing some meta research to see if he's the sort of player that never really plays.

[TeChNoWC]

Looks like I"ll mostly be sheeping Techno. Except that Soben is town.

And I'm really only kinda leaning town on him, depends on what his replacement is gunna do.

Soben's done nothing scummy. I understand his push on Venmar, it's just I don't have a read on Soben either way so he is null for me. Oh and Soben hasn't requested replacement so I'm not sure what you meant by that last line.

@Soben: most of the correlating play on Venmar is tied up in an ongoing game so I can't really comment, sorry. You'll just have to take it for what it's worth. Either way, a replacement will shed more light on the slot but so far it looks pretty town to me.

[The Acting Method]

Will have a long pbpa ISO post with my reads (and the ISO's providing the reasoning) sometime in the next two days...

The Shogun/Potack debate was only giving me major info about them.

Also the mass amount of people replacing out is annoying me.

But welcome code x.

[Chrimi]

I was referring to bork on that last line, sorry if I didn't make that clear.

[andrew94]

i forgot to post that i was busy and will post tommorrow like i did
in my other games.

i think shotty is pissed off town. these questions just look like
questions, they dont help at all. he answers them, u make up more.
i understand that stuff. How about you start asking someone else
questions lol

[Soben]

no i wont, its antitown to explain

i think shotty is pissed off town. these questions just look like questions, they dont help at all. he answers them, u make up more. i understand that stuff. How about you start asking someone else questions lol

This is scum. This is where we're lynching today, his first comment insinuates that there's something lost when explaining the town-read (As in reasons that shouldn't said ie. I feel like he's a mason ect. ect.) and the second quote doesn't mesh with that at all, in fact his reasoning in the second one reads as completely fabricated.

Unvote Venmar, Vote: Andrew

[andrew94]

lol no shit? of course i shouldnt say that, but you were forcing me to say it, which makes you anti town.

[andrew94]

vote soben

you will never be able to lynch me or shotgun today

[Soben]

Okay, so you thought he was a mason; now explain what posts of his make you think he's a mason. Go.

[andrew94]

why would i do that? its enough that i can see.
And for the record, i asked redpanda to explain first because i hoped his explanation would suffice, so i dont have to explain anything,
but it turns out his reasoning could go both ways and isnt certain..

[Soben]

You'd do it because right now I'm fairly certain that you just sheeped RP's "Shotgun is town" thing and then attempted to dodge having to explain it because you have no reasoning to back it up whatsoever.

[Mortontfrh]

First things first, welcome VisceraEyes who will be replacing Absta101. Also, Drmyshotgun has offered to stay in the game after all so we are currently in need of just 2 replacements for Venmar and Bork.

Vote Count 1.10

With 13 alive it takes 7 votes to lynch.

Drmyshotgun

(2) - Potack-Ruv, TeChNoWC

VisceraEyes

(2) - Borkjerfkin, RedPanda

Andrew94

(1) - Soben

Soben

(1) - andrew94

Not Voting: McStab, Chrimi, Code_X, VisceraEyes, Venmar, The Acting Method, Drmyshotgun

V/LA: RedPanda - June 28th until June 30th

Current searching for replacements for: Venmar and Bork

Deadline is in (expired on 2012-07-07 16:41:00)

[VisceraEyes]

Hi, I'm VE. I'm widely disliked and think I'm WAY smarter than I actually am! I'm reading through the thread presently, and will provide thoughts immediately following.

[drmyshotgun]

Hi, I'm Drmyshotgun. I'll get to where I left off.

[Mortontfrh]

RainbowDash replaces Venmar, let's give her a warm welcome. Looking for the last replacement for Bork.

[VisceraEyes]

Okay, I'm halfway through.

Thoughts For Intermission

There are a few people whose initial posts left me feeling warm and fuzzy. There are a couple of people who are reading kinda scummy. There haven't really been any drastic twists and turns yet, except for the whole claiming nonsense. A couple of things I'd like clarification on:

drmyshotgun: why did you find Potatosak suspicious for "handing out reads like candies", turn around and give reads of everyone in town, then REPEAT your reasoning for finding Potatosak as "handing out reads like candies"? Is it less scummy when you do it?

Andrew: Why did you say "drmyshotgun is town 100% I know this"?

[Soben]

Welcome both VE and Rainbowdash. Kind of wishing Rainbow replaced literally

any

other slot then he did though.

Also VE, the answers or discussion about both of those questions are explained later in the thread, so fully catch up and then let us know what you think - and vague thoughts like 'some people townie, some people scummy' isn't helpful, I'd prefer a lot more specifics.

[VisceraEyes]

/salute

[Rainbowdash]

Welcome both VE and Rainbowdash. Kind of wishing Rainbow replaced literally

any

other slot then he did though.

Well I replaced town so it should save a mislynch which is a good thing.

McStab is soild town. Soben is townish, RP I sorta can write off as town but the first couple page cheeky town read I had on him is dropping off fast.

This wagon on abast is just pure awfulness, some really hate playing with hydras, heck im not a big fan of it since at times you run into situations where one head reads town and the other reads scum as they dont work together too well. Almost want to say that this type of reaction is more townish than scum.

The whole DMS-Potato thing is confusing and annoying because I can make heads or tails from the whole exchange and its just blown up in a big noise thing. Interestingly enough it should be able to give us reads on the others more than it gives us reads on DMS/Potato.

@Potato - Do you view the VT claims as a town tell?
@TAM - What are your views on the VT claims, or just town claims in general?

Will read through again before I vote, but I think its a brok vote a this point.

[Soben]

Well I replaced town so it should save a mislynch which is a good thing.

Hope that's the case though I don't think I'm the best player at reading you and I know that SH will probably be super-paranoid of you all game. I understand all your reads but I want your thoughts on TAM, TecH and Andrew right now, and with Andrew specifically the recent comments of his.

[Rainbowdash]

Well I replaced town so it should save a mislynch which is a good thing.

Hope that's the case though I don't think I'm the best player at reading you and I know that SH will probably be super-paranoid of you all game. I understand all your reads but I want your thoughts on TAM, TecH and Andrew right now, and with Andrew specifically the recent comments of his.

There are only a few ponies who can read me really well, maybe we should pester Hoopla to replace in too but that would be almost game breaking if we could just keep clearing town like that. The rest tend to read me as the same thing every time they see me.

TAM im witholding my read for a little bit since the answer to my question will effect what it is. Tech the only thing that has me wondering is how he is actually figuring out the whole potato-DMS exchange, the fact that he seems to be equally basing it on what potato who he strongly calls town and DMS giving up (?) is a little iffy to me. Im not at all interested in a Tech lynch though if thats what you are trying to get to, and I do like that he brought up that DMS-potato might be TvT which given the amount of noise surrounding it would be disasterous. Finally andrew... im going to always be biased here but... I think his reads are bad but that doesnt mean he is scum by any means. I would like him to explain what he is talking about in 248 more though.