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Post Post #300 (ISO) » Mon Dec 12, 2005 12:48 pm

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But since we have no idea what the connection is between the scum, there's no reason that knowing their names will help us.
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Post Post #301 (ISO) » Mon Dec 12, 2005 2:13 pm

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Seriously draygen_mage, you're trying to lynch a cop? I think you're trying to force ibaesha to reveal the remaining roles.
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Post Post #302 (ISO) » Mon Dec 12, 2005 5:05 pm

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I'm suggesting a lynch of a role finder. Either way, if you guys lynch me, then you must feel that ibaesha is town and then Mr Freeze just has to pop one of the people who just claimed. If he gets a scum then the game goes on, he gets town and game is over. If we lynch ibaesha then you must feel that she is scum and so 2 of the people she "cleared" must be scum so again, Mr. Freeze has his targets. either way, if we lynch a townie and Mr. Freeze misses scum, we lose. I know I am a townie, so in my mind, our best bet is ibaesha as a lynch.
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Post Post #303 (ISO) » Mon Dec 12, 2005 6:22 pm

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draygn_mage wrote:If we lynch ibaesha then you must feel that she is scum and so 2 of the people she "cleared" must be scum so again, Mr. Freeze has his targets.
This isn't the only mistake in that logic, but it is the easiest to point out. First, you're assuming that scum ibaesha made the mistake of clearing all her scum buddies instead of clearing one and not the other. Second, you're neglecting the fact that ibaesha, at the very least, successfully placed Mr. Freeze in the correct 3/7 players, which inclines me to give her the benefit of the doubt.
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Post Post #304 (ISO) » Mon Dec 12, 2005 8:16 pm

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Thok wrote:Seriously draygen_mage, you're trying to lynch a cop? I think you're trying to force ibaesha to reveal the remaining roles.
vote draygen_mage
That's a bit of a misrepresntation. He does not believe Ibaesha's claim (or at least finds it worthy of scrutiny), he never said he wanted to lynch a cop.

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Post Post #305 (ISO) » Mon Dec 12, 2005 11:34 pm

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Vote Count


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Post Post #306 (ISO) » Tue Dec 13, 2005 10:16 am

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draygn_mage wrote:I'm suggesting a lynch of a role finder. Either way, if you guys lynch me, then you must feel that ibaesha is town and then Mr Freeze just has to pop one of the people who just claimed. If he gets a scum then the game goes on, he gets town and game is over. If we lynch ibaesha then you must feel that she is scum and so 2 of the people she "cleared" must be scum so again, Mr. Freeze has his targets. either way, if we lynch a townie and Mr. Freeze misses scum, we lose. I know I am a townie, so in my mind, our best bet is ibaesha as a lynch.
1. Has it been confirmed that Mr. Freeze is a vig and not an SK?
2. Since when does the lynch of a role-finder favor the town. I'm not saying she's any more useful than Fritzler the batfinder was, but why not take a shot at catching scum, like I'm willing to do?

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Post Post #307 (ISO) » Tue Dec 13, 2005 10:16 am

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draygn_mage wrote:I'm suggesting a lynch of a role finder. Either way, if you guys lynch me, then you must feel that ibaesha is town and then Mr Freeze just has to pop one of the people who just claimed. If he gets a scum then the game goes on, he gets town and game is over. If we lynch ibaesha then you must feel that she is scum and so 2 of the people she "cleared" must be scum so again, Mr. Freeze has his targets. either way, if we lynch a townie and Mr. Freeze misses scum, we lose. I know I am a townie, so in my mind, our best bet is ibaesha as a lynch.
1. Has it been confirmed that Mr. Freeze is a vig and not an SK?
2. Since when does the lynch of a role-finder favor the town. I'm not saying she's any more useful than Fritzler the batfinder was, but why not take a shot at catching scum, like I'm willing to do?

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Post Post #308 (ISO) » Tue Dec 13, 2005 10:17 am

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bah! sorry about the double post. That's the second one I've done today.
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Post Post #309 (ISO) » Tue Dec 13, 2005 10:39 am

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you mean triple? LOL

all right, so there isn't much good logic there. The question remains "Now what?"

you do have to think of it this way though. i am not saying that ibaesha isn't a role finder, but as we just lynched a mafia role finder in scumchat mafia, its a possibility. she may have found Mr. Freeze already. I don't know. You guys come up with something.
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Post Post #310 (ISO) » Tue Dec 13, 2005 8:16 pm

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I'm suspicious of Phoebus primarily over his picking up on whatever 'scum tell' he could to accuse and/or vote for people day 1. I'm not sure how else to explain it.
Phoebus wrote:Toss up between Fritz and Quail for the blocker/doc discussion.
Fritz (apparently) rules out doc and Quail was first to mention doc.
Phoebus wrote:And, I'd rather you qualify your vote rather than fingering a possible wagon and going off on a tangent.
That's scummy as far as I'm concernced.
Phoebus wrote:Throwing FoS's all round. Speculating on doctors.
That's enough for me for today.


Fritz, Quailman, myself, and vIQles all involved in these. We know that Fritz an vIQles were innocent. -I- know I'm innocent and I don't think Quailman is scum.

On the other hand, Phoebus also went after dragyn_mage early on in day 1, with a little bit more force. Possible distancing? Since I find dragyn_mage fairly suspicious, I think it's a possibility they're scum together.

dragyn_mage is suspicious for reasons already mentioned, but what gets me is assurity of things. Even with my investigations, I don't know as much as dragyn appears to. He shows an assurity that Mr. Freeze is a vig. He also seems pretty sure there is a doc. How does he know these things?

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Post Post #311 (ISO) » Tue Dec 13, 2005 10:23 pm

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Vote Count


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(Thok, Quailman, ibeasha)

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Not voting: Fuldu, HezLucky, Phoebus, Quidgyboo,

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Post Post #312 (ISO) » Wed Dec 14, 2005 3:28 am

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I'm fairly sure that Mr Freeze is the vig because well, he has to be or we lose unless we lynch scum for the next three days with no screwups. And if you lynch me and he's not a vig, that's game over 'cause I'm a townie. Now, if you guys are going to lynch me, then at least discuss who the vig should kill because if he misses, we lose. I had no trouble taking one for the team if we were at least going to win, but I don't do sacrificing myself to lose.

@Quailman & ibaesha- how many deaths via freezing have there been? One? not an SK then in my mind... Have we seen a doc die yet? No? Then pretty sure there's still a doc.
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Post Post #313 (ISO) » Wed Dec 14, 2005 5:19 am

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A. The existence of a doc could explain why there were no deaths night one or two, and no deaths by freezing.

B. The bad guys may send a different killer each night. Last night was Freeze's turn.

C. Fritzler was frozen (say that ten times fast). I think most of us generally regarded him as a good guy, even of the theory that Bat=Bad did not pan out. Whay vig-kill him?
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Post Post #314 (ISO) » Wed Dec 14, 2005 5:52 am

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I agree with Quail on A. On B, I don't know.
draygn, I get odd vibes from you. You are constantly working under the assumption that Freeze is a vig. Granted, we do not know otherwise but just holding on to that without tangible evidence would be something for Flay's logical fallacies file.
Still, you're allowed to have those convictions. Yet you're voting the only other person besides you who's convinced he's vig, while everyone else debates his alignment?
I don't know...

I need to think some more. Have a project deadline tomorrow and will prolly have some free time in the evening but I will most likely vote draygn_mage.
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Post Post #315 (ISO) » Wed Dec 14, 2005 6:38 am

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I've just gone back to my previous thoughts since no one seems to want to move forward with the plan. Previously, I was worried about ibaesha, hez, and thok. I sort of removed ibaesha because in my head I was thinking of her as a cop. It was more recently that I thought of her being a mafia role finder.

I guess you're right, a doc could have potected the SK's targets, but at this point, I just feel more strongly that Mr. Freeze is a vig than a SK. Another reason I feel this way is because if we started off with 3 scum and 1 SK and 8 townies that means that of the 8 of us left, there are 3 scum and 1 SK and 4 townies. It would be nearly statistically impossible for the town to win at this point. Not to mention that I can completely see a vig killinf fritzler after he claimed cop and got a townie killed. If Mr. Freeze is the SK what benefit would there be in killing a BAT FINDER? wouldn't you go after an unknown role or a regular role-finder and let the town possibly lynch fritz the following day? I guess my main suspicion of ibaesha is that we already had a role finder of sorts who was pro town and why would there be 2 in a small game?
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Post Post #316 (ISO) » Wed Dec 14, 2005 6:55 am

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draygn_mage wrote:...I guess my main suspicion of ibaesha is that we already had a role finder of sorts who was pro town and why would there be 2 in a small game?
I'm hoping there are three. The bat-finder was worthless. And it doesn't really do us any good to know a person's role name. What we need is their alignment - good or evil. Fritzler and ibaesha are benign roles, like a paranoid and naive cop, respectively. The former led us to believe we had found a scum, while the latter has gotten some of us to admit to role names.
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Post Post #317 (ISO) » Wed Dec 14, 2005 7:06 am

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why would we have 3 role finders???
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Post Post #318 (ISO) » Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:01 am

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draygn_mage wrote:why would we have 3 role finders???
Can you read? Open your eyes, like this: :shock: Then go back to my last post. Here it is so you don't have to look:
I wrote:The bat-finder was worthless. And it doesn't really do us any good to know a person's role name. What we need is their alignment - good or evil.
First off, they are not all role-finders. One found out whether a person was bat-related or not. The other finds the role name of their target.
Neither of these powers help the town at all.
In fact, it hurt because we lynched the bat-guy that Fritzler found. Ibaesha's ability does nothing. Or can you derive some benefit from it. What we need is a real
cop
, a Santa Claus type who knows if you are
bad
or
good
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But what's the point of explaining it to you? Are you hoping the third (real) cop comes out so your buddy(ies) can target him tonight?
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Post Post #319 (ISO) » Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:46 am

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Quailman, Wesmin was a third coppish type (I prefer that term to role-finder), who was actually somewhat helpful-he could track night actions, remember. I doubt we have a fourth coppish type.

If used properly, Fritzler's power could have helped us confirm a fairly powerful role as pro-town.
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Post Post #320 (ISO) » Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:06 am

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@Quailman- so you are hoping that on top of a rolefinder and a batfinder AND a tracker, we had a COP? come on, now lets get realistic. and the rolefinder COULD help the town if ibaesha is a townie (which I'm coming to believe more and more). So I vote we go back to the plan and lynch one of the people who were not found by ibaesha. If and only if we start to lynch a townie that your mythic cop has investigated, he can come forward and unload his investigations. So, with that...

unvote, vote Quailman


your lack of logic regarding the use of a rolefinder make me pretty certain that you are scum. I was pretty sure that one scum was voting for me, and thought it was ibaesha. Guess I was wrong.
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Post Post #321 (ISO) » Wed Dec 14, 2005 4:33 pm

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Erm... So you want to go with your plan of lynching someone I didn't investigate, but you're voting for someone I did investigate?

Thok brings up a fairly good point about Fritz. Taking that into account, my role probably isn't useless. However, if scum -are- villains, then we need to find out what my role is useful for. Is it possible that the manner of death is an indicator? Is there a villain that would use strangulation? If so, which one? (Sorry I don't know all the characters that well.) I'll look it up if no one knows off-hand.

dragyn: I'm leaving my vote on you for now, but I'm starting to believe that you may not be scum. You've put an incredible amount of energy into trying to figure things out, even if I don't necessarily agree with your plans or theories.
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Post Post #322 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2005 12:56 am

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Reading over your past few posts, especially how you've jumped to vote Quail against the plan you pushed for, I am thinking that a
Vote dragyn_mage
is in order. I still want to hear more from Thok, but I'm believing more and more with the bandwagon that is going.
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Post Post #323 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2005 2:09 am

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unvote, vote Quidgyboo
One of the 2 Q's didn't get investigated iirc.
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Post Post #324 (ISO) » Thu Dec 15, 2005 2:23 am

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