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In post 298, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Oh wait sorry something didn't work out in my head when I wrote that post. Post 295 doesn't make sense.

289 does though. Because 279 presupposes that DCL is scum.

In post 297, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:

In post 288, Mac wrote:The DCL case isn't just "he fos'd before voting Minimal! though orc. He has jumped onto the two wagons so far which was pointed out in #229. What do you make of the vote on Minimal with no reference to them prior to that?

Not only that, but putting it at L-1 too. It's opening up an opportunity for someone else to hammer with possibly legit reasoning for finding Minimal scummy whilst he sits back and let's it happen without providing any input.

Still need to read some shit as well, would like an answer to this question though.

Reading orc as pretty town right now, regardless.

Whatever. I'm just going to stop addressing the DCL case but I still think it's shitty.

I think the vote on Minimal is perfectly justified given what I posted about them at the time. If you want, Fery and Majiffy both also sheeped me onto Minimal and you can vote them too.

Hi Mac wagon Buld with me he's scum in this game.

In post 279, buldermar wrote:Are you actually scum? I was thinking "no way he'd hard defend DCL like this if they're teamed"..

In post 306, Mac wrote:I think you're tunneling buld because I don't see any obvscum tells coming from him.

In post 308, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:

In post 306, Mac wrote:I think you're tunneling buld because I don't see any obvscum tells coming from him.

If you're going to be looking for obvscum tells, you won't find any in this game. We're all fairly decent players.

Who do you think is scum?

In post 145, Minimal wrote:I mean vote. I feel that HD's vote on you was opportunistic at best I don't see how DC's FoS was forced in anyway, and his concern of the wagon status makes me think town. I also think Orci's stance in regards to me as town as well.

I don't think nothing to DC's vote, as his on you doesn't seem serious at the slightest, though his vote on me can easily be a sheeping townie.

as for the town motivations of asking you to not read me as my main Orci, is simple. Doing as such will very likely cause an inaccurate read on me. As I stated, I'm shifting my play so that the posts made are fairly in synch. I will post my personal reads as needed, though I will probably me more likely to have a shared read posted.

In post 270, buldermar wrote:It looks scummy because I've seen her do it as town and because she knows that I've seen her do it as town.

In post 265, buldermar wrote: He voted Majiffy and FoS'ed someone else IIRC. And I disagree with you. And I think you're biased because you read me as scum, so I'm not going to read too much into your opinion on this matter.

In post 272, buldermar wrote:Now since your scumread on me is solidified, could you stop wasting my time and talk to someone else? Thanks.

In post 280, buldermar wrote: Alright, I may start ignoring you because you're so biased that you're essentially worthless talking to anyway. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for a few posts more.

In post 284, buldermar wrote:I don't care if this is scum-orc deliberately pushing a mislynch or town-orc just not having a clue, in both cases you're biased and so your opinion is really not worth anything to me. It's not related to your alignment at all - I still have no idea which of the two orc's we are dealing with here.

In post 301, buldermar wrote:I'm going to leave. Not because I don't have time, but because I'd rather be talking to some of the other players in this game.

In post 311, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Consistently he tries to get me to stop talking to him because I’m too biased. Which is pretty shitty, considering he and many other people know that my reads early-game aren’t consolidated at all, so bias is a terrible reason for tossing my opinions aside and not answering them.

In post 304, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:

In post 279, buldermar wrote:Are you actually scum? I was thinking "no way he'd hard defend DCL like this if they're teamed"..

No, this definitely presupposes DCL as scum because you're using that to determine my alignment.

I could be misreading this post but I really doubt it.

Hi fery we're voting Buld today.

Pedit: What made you think Majiffy's vote as a joke? And I'm really going to stop talking about DCL so stop asking me about him, thanks.

Minimal is a lurkbag that I'm not going to pay attention to because obvscum buld is staring us in the face. Why aren't you voting him?

In post 307, fferyllt wrote:The thing that bothers me most about buldermar is his wishing he were scum. Comes off as a bit much, somehow. Still undecided.

In post 308, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:

In post 306, Mac wrote:I think you're tunneling buld because I don't see any obvscum tells coming from him.

If you're going to be looking for obvscum tells, you won't find any in this game. We're all fairly decent players.

Who do you think is scum?

In post 309, Mac wrote:I'm not looking for obvscumtells, but you said he's obvscum and I'm saying I don't see it. What's making him obvscum?

In post 309, Mac wrote:fferyll seems very sitting-on-the-fence right now which isn't like her at all

In post 317, buldermar wrote:

In post 308, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:

In post 306, Mac wrote:I think you're tunneling buld because I don't see any obvscum tells coming from him.

If you're going to be looking for obvscum tells, you won't find any in this game. We're all fairly decent players.

Who do you think is scum?

And yet you insist that I'm obvscum. Are you for real?

buldermar wrote: It only bothers you because you know that I know that you know I prefer being scum over town

In post 311, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:A few things.

-I don’t like Buldermar’s RVS play. “Stupid shit” doesn’t cut it for me if you don’t transition it into something pro-town, and goading fery seems deliberately anti-town from my POV.
-I don’t like how Buldermar subtly sells fery to me. He says that scum-fery would quickread me as town, but I’ve also seen town-fery quickread me as town. Twice, in fact. He says that it looks “somewhat scummy” in 262 without elaborating, and when pressed, his argument is:

In post 270, buldermar wrote:It looks scummy because I've seen her do it as town and because she knows that I've seen her do it as town.

This doesn’t actually make sense. So playing to one’s town meta is “somewhat scummy” all of a sudden?
-He fabricates a reason to dodge answering me in 267.
-I do not believe anyone could legitimately read DCL’s majiffy vote as serious.
-I

still

think the DCL case is shit.
-His reaction to me does not come from a town perspective. Consistently he tries to get me to stop talking to him because I’m too biased. Which is pretty shitty, considering he and many other people know that my reads early-game aren’t consolidated at all, so bias is a terrible reason for tossing my opinions aside and not answering them.
-Ad populum twice in 299 and 262, which is scummy because you’re basically saying “So-and-so agrees with me, thus I am absolved of the responsibility of defending my beliefs”.

In post 321, buldermar wrote: If anyone other than orc wants me to respond to the above, I will. Otherwise, I'm just going to ignore it. Just let me know.

In post 312, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Oh and ad populum in 293 I suppose.

In post 265, buldermar wrote: He voted Majiffy and FoS'ed someone else IIRC. And I disagree with you. And I think you're biased because you read me as scum, so I'm not going to read too much into your opinion on this matter.

In post 272, buldermar wrote:Now since your scumread on me is solidified, could you stop wasting my time and talk to someone else? Thanks.

In post 280, buldermar wrote: Alright, I may start ignoring you because you're so biased that you're essentially worthless talking to anyway. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt for a few posts more.

In post 284, buldermar wrote:I don't care if this is scum-orc deliberately pushing a mislynch or town-orc just not having a clue, in both cases you're biased and so your opinion is really not worth anything to me. It's not related to your alignment at all - I still have no idea which of the two orc's we are dealing with here.

In post 301, buldermar wrote:I'm going to leave. Not because I don't have time, but because I'd rather be talking to some of the other players in this game.

Very very anxious to stop talking to me, too.

In post 314, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:

In post 311, orcinus_theoriginal wrote:Consistently he tries to get me to stop talking to him because I’m too biased. Which is pretty shitty, considering he and many other people know that my reads early-game aren’t consolidated at all, so bias is a terrible reason for tossing my opinions aside and not answering them.