Mafiascum.net

Recapping the game so far, shortest poster to longest:

• lortaku:
  Duh. First four posts are wholly without content; to be fair, they're all on the same day. He later tries to claim to Fear that his vote on jon meant something, it wasn't RVS. Then he tries to narrow it down to rmpeacoc and Xiao based on their feud. He unvotes rmpeacoc the following day because of other people's opinions. Then he shows back up on the 3rd and votes me because I've left my vote on Xiao, and because it might say something about jon. He also calls Xiao not-scum now. His last post is actually decent, but it's too little too late, and makes yet another excuse. Lots of small tells here if he flips scum, but the most damning thing is the active lurking. He's posting just enough to avoid replacement, and despite declaring himself too busy to post more often, hasn't asked for replacement.
  
  lortaku: Claim in your next post, please.
  Jerry has already signaled that he will hammer you, and I will do it to avoid a No Lynch at this point (though I would prefer Jerry put his money where his mouth is). You have GOT to participate more in these games if you don't want to get lynched.
  
• notquitethere:
  Gets points from me for using Random Questions, but carries it on way too long; his tenth post is the first one to contain any real game-related substance. Finally hops off the Xiao wagon on June 4th; that was all just a continuation of his RVS vote, though he did put some reasons into it later. Swaps to the lortaku-wagon in the same post based on "earlier" lurking, as if lortaku had not continued to do it. A lot of his posts look like coaching (too many to mention, just read the iso) but that could just be his usual playstyle from Bay12. Null read, which is frustrating.
  
• JerryArr:
  First thing that jumps out is that he said we should be getting to serious votes "within 5 days of deadline", but he's posted exactly twice since last Saturday. All the NL-on-D1 stuff is null because of different site meta. RVS is on rmpeacoc, but quickly switches to Xiao, putting him at L-1 and then almost immediately unvoting. I don't like that... why so scared of L-1?? I still feel like a Xiao (or Jerry) lynch would tell us a lot about other players, even on the chance they don't flip scum.
  Then Jerry pressure-votes lortaku for not posting, and even admits it later. Without any significant uptick in posting by his vote target, he unvotes a page or two later. Ugh! He switches his vote to jon basically for voting me, but signals that he will hammer lortaku "if there are no objections". This guy is
  definitely
  topping my scumlist right now.
  
• jon_h61:
  RVS on me, but drops it quickly in favor of taking up Xiao's gauntlet. I like his ideas on participation and wanting to lynch rather than draw the clock out. He's also not intimidated by Fear's bluster. In fact with the exception of the vote for Kattaze for voting me, I can find little to complain about here. I don't usually post my townreads, but there's a nonzero chance I'll die N1 as the IC.
  I do want to hear if he can identify what is bothering him about me, though...
  
• pitoli:
  First thing of note here is that I thought pitoli had a
  lot
  less posts than most players, probably because many of them are short. He's got some good instincts and answers though, and I like that he's willing to admit to only drawing scum games here until now. Most scum would be afraid of mentioning that for fear of fallacious logic coming back to bite them. 197 looks like just a pressure vote on lortaku, but later in 205 and 210 he identifies something concrete. pitoli is basically the other vote on lortaku I trust. My 'scum tell' post was mainly for reaction, and the right answer was to be able to identify it himself, which he does.
  
• rmpeacoc:
  Anger-reaction stuff is a null tell based on other games. Lots of example of irrelevant emotion being put into her posts (like the tick thing just now), which I'm not thrilled about. Amusingly, her willingness to post drunk seems like a towntell to me. OTOH the "I never said I was town" crap is just disingenuous to say the least. Fully willing to put Xiao at L-1 for a second time, but does have the grace to announce it. Draws a scumpool late in the day of Xiao (despite unvoting and starting the cascade to 0 votes), lortaku, and pitoli. Not really sure why she thinks pitoli is coasting.
  Can you elaborate, rmp?
  
  
• Xiao:
  To be honest I'm tired of making this case. I've been talking about Xiao for half of my posts, it seems. The uncooperative thing was scummy or at the least anti-town, but he's gotten a little better lately. I still think he's said some things that would earn rope, but we have better targets for D1.
  
• Fear/Kattaze:
  Fear's volume of posts rings true, but like I said earlier it could be the "baffle them with bullshit" strategy. I can dig up direct quotes later if needed, but right now I see 0% chance of Kattaze being the D1 lynch, so I'm not going to waste my time with a big case. Slightly town.

Mr. Flay wrote:will post again before midnight

In post 295, Mr. Flay wrote:

In post 291, Xiao Long wrote:The reason I pointed that out is because that's pretty much the only thing he's said about why Lortaku is scum. He made a small point about him in his reads - that he was lurky - but he hasn't really made a case on him. He hasn't made a case on anyone besides me. I'm just wondering why no one seems to notice that.

Probably because there's not much to say about lortaku BECAUSE he's done little but lurk. Half of his posts are delaying tactics from early D1. So we have...what, 4, 5 posts, with less than 5 paragraphs to go on? He's an unknown quantity, and I'm not at all sure he'll step up his game D2+.

I'm honestly frustrated and a little confused as to why he's not scum in your eyes.
Am I the only one that thinks NQT reeks of scum? >.<

In post 296, pitoli wrote:Still unsure.
Kinda wish Lor would replace out :/

Way too close to deadline for this.

In post 300, Mr. Flay wrote:pitoli is basically the other vote on lortaku I trust.

Who was the first?

The uncooperative thing was scummy or at the least anti-town

I'm still confused on this one, or at least why you think this because the only thing I was really uncooperative with were the hypotheticals which even you said were contentless (a.k.a. fluff).

In post 299, rmpeacoc wrote:Freaking out because there was a tick in my car today. Gross.

@Pitoli instead of trying to get a newbie to replace out why not try to help them.

What is with these posts needlessly singling me out? Can you get off my back?
Why help someone who obviously doesn't want to help themselves?

In post 301, Xiao Long wrote:I'm honestly frustrated and a little confused as to why he's not scum in your eyes.
Am I the only one that thinks NQT reeks of scum? >.<

Reeks? No. But I can see a case where he might be scum... I am just chalking up the hypotheticals thing to a null factor coming from the other site. I definitely want more game-related content from nqt on D2.

Xiao Long wrote:

In post 300, Mr. Flay wrote:pitoli is basically the other vote on lortaku I trust.

Who was the first?

rmp's vote seems sincere.

Xiao Long wrote:

The uncooperative thing was scummy or at the least anti-town

I'm still confused on this one, or at least why you think this because the only thing I was really uncooperative with were the hypotheticals which even you said were contentless (a.k.a. fluff).

It's really not even about the hypotheticals.

And then suddenly about 207, your switch flips and now you're, if not nice, polite and engaged and posting reads. Magical content quota? It just strikes me as weird. Over N1 I'll go look at your other games.

In post 300, Mr. Flay wrote: [*]

rmpeacoc:

Anger-reaction stuff is a null tell based on other games. Lots of example of irrelevant emotion being put into her posts (like the tick thing just now), which I'm not thrilled about. Amusingly, her willingness to post drunk seems like a towntell to me. OTOH the "I never said I was town" crap is just disingenuous to say the least. Fully willing to put Xiao at L-1 for a second time, but does have the grace to announce it. Draws a scumpool late in the day of Xiao (despite unvoting and starting the cascade to 0 votes), lortaku, and pitoli. Not really sure why she thinks pitoli is coasting.

Can you elaborate, rmp?

I can see how you would think anger-reaction stuff is a null tell especially being that I only have meta as town. The tick thing was literally just a comment, not something for you to read into... I'm one of those people who will go off on a little tangent and then come back to the game. You're right, i was willing to put Xiao at L-1... I don't see the problem with that. You guys are the ones wanting us to pressure others with our vote.

As far as Pitoli goes, I'm not singling you out, but my scum read on Xiao is dwindling (though like flay I am suspicious of his turn around, seeming more cooperative now). So that leaves lortaku and pitoli that I see as scum. I'm sorry if you 'feel' like I'm singling you out, I'd really just like to see more from you, and for the most part everyone else is getting reads that I'm not necessarily overly concerned about. Until they do something I really don't like I'm going to keep looking a the people I see as suspicious.

Sure, Flay says you use some concrete points, but the way that your posts are so short suggests that maybe you are worried that you will say too much.

Also asking for a newbie to replace out is silly in my opinion, so I was giving a little tip that if you don't want people to act like newbies in games than maybe you should go to an open game or something. Not that you'll avoid lurkers completely, but honestly I prefer to help people rather than just say I wish they would replace out. At this point I really think that would make our decision more difficult.

In post 305, rmpeacoc wrote:
I can see how you would think anger-reaction stuff is a null tell especially being that I only have meta as town. The tick thing was literally just a comment, not something for you to read into... I'm one of those people who will go off on a little tangent and then come back to the game. You're right, i was willing to put Xiao at L-1... I don't see the problem with that. You guys are the ones wanting us to pressure others with our vote.

As far as Pitoli goes, I'm not singling you out, but my scum read on Xiao is dwindling (though like flay I am suspicious of his turn around, seeming more cooperative now). So that leaves lortaku and pitoli that I see as scum. I'm sorry if you 'feel' like I'm singling you out, I'd really just like to see more from you, and for the most part everyone else is getting reads that I'm not necessarily overly concerned about. Until they do something I really don't like I'm going to keep looking a the people I see as suspicious.

Sure, Flay says you use some concrete points, but the way that your posts are so short suggests that maybe you are worried that you will say too much.

Also asking for a newbie to replace out is silly in my opinion, so I was giving a little tip that if you don't want people to act like newbies in games than maybe you should go to an open game or something. Not that you'll avoid lurkers completely, but honestly I prefer to help people rather than just say I wish they would replace out. At this point I really think that would make our decision more difficult.

You really think I'm scum? Then why not ask me questions or otherwise find some way to put pressure on me. Right now you're basically saying "make your posts longer" - well if I do that does that mean I look less scummy? So anybody who likes to write big posts gets a town read from you, right? Your entire scum case on me is that I don't post enough when I post. That's something I attribute to playstyle, as I like making short immediate responses to things that happen and then only going back later with longer posts to clarify my reads. My posts are PLENTY substantive, and if it's substance you're worried about you should be looking at other players in the game who are producing less.

And obviously I have no problem with newbies, I have problems with lurkers. I don't mind saying that i wish lurkers would always replace out of games as they aren't actively contributing to discussion, and make things easier for scum by preventing town members to read them. Lortaku isn't even asking for help about where to start - and given that he's played forum mafia , I don't think he should have to.

I'm saying you're pretty far down on my scum list. I've made it clear that I do think lortaku is scum, which is why I'm voting him.

As far as my read on you goes, I'm telling you that the majority of the reason you are so far down on my scum list IS because of the way that you post. It's also the content in which you are posting, which to me isn't overly useful. Now that you feel like I'm attacking you you post your 4th longest post in the game thus far.

As far as other's go, please point out to me who is posting little content other than lortaku. NQT's hypotheticals seem to be quite town to me, though others have stated that they feel otherwise, though I do recognize he hasn't done much as far as scumhunting goes.

I'm the type who likes to point out what I don't like and go off of that. If I have a question for you I will ask it, but right now I really just want to see more from you. I'm not sure what is so wring with that.

I'm not saying that 'longer posts' will make you look less scummy, I'm saying that they will help me get a better read on you. So far you have done nothing that makes you look towny in my eyes, and I'm a skeptic when it comes to playstyle.

Regardless it is day 1 and I want a lortaku lynch.

If you want a list of things that you've said that I think make you seem scummy on top of your content, I'll try to ISO you soon when I have time. All I'm saying is there isn't a lot to go on as far as you go (hence why I want more and have asked for more multiple times) and so I AM looking a lot at playstyle, so I've drawn the conclusion that you seem to be afraid of saying too much.

I eagerly await your ISO seeing as how your current case is utterly unconvincing.

So this is what it's like when someone wrongly thinks you scum... fucking annoying.

In post 304, Mr. Flay wrote:

In post 301, Xiao Long wrote:I'm honestly frustrated and a little confused as to why he's not scum in your eyes.
Am I the only one that thinks NQT reeks of scum? >.<

Reeks? No. But I can see a case where he might be scum... I am just chalking up the hypotheticals thing to a null factor coming from the other site. I definitely want more game-related content from nqt on D2.

That's fair enough, I guess, but I see the hypotheticals being scummy fluff.

Xiao Long wrote:

In post 300, Mr. Flay wrote:pitoli is basically the other vote on lortaku I trust.

Who was the first?

rmp's vote seems sincere.

Meaning if Lortaku flips town, you'll still see those two as town?

Spoiler: Pardon me for strip mining, but...

In post 42, Xiao Long wrote:I'll post to my own content, not to your desires.

In post 47, Xiao Long wrote:I see no reason to post reads that are made with such little information.

In post 55, Xiao Long wrote:I was saying you have a different way of manipulating people than I do.

In post 81, Xiao Long wrote:I'm not sure if you're actually reading posts or reading what you think posts are saying.

In post 81, Xiao Long wrote:Are you sure you're not still drunk?

In post 90, Xiao Long wrote:But you'll claim early for no reason, apparently.

In post 100, Xiao Long wrote:I really do think you have some difficulty comprehending.

In post 125, Xiao Long wrote:Is English your first language?

In post 146, Xiao Long wrote:If she's town in this game, I'd still rather her be D1 lynch at this point in time.

In post 184, Xiao Long wrote:I haven't been that rude to you, so quit whining.

And then suddenly about 207, your switch flips and now you're, if not nice, polite and engaged and posting reads. Magical content quota?

Maybe.

It just strikes me as weird. Over N1 I'll go look at your other games.

Eh, I still don't think I've changed and I still agree with all those I said. The only reason for seeming as if I've changed that I can think of is that the lower post-counts in this game began posting enough for me to get more reads and questions on them. As far as meta'ing me, I'm not sure if it's entirely helpful. I've only played one other game, which I won, but I don't know if I played that differently from an outside perspective.

In post 307, rmpeacoc wrote: As far as my read on you goes, I'm telling you that the majority of the reason you are so far down on my scum list IS because of the way that you post. It's also the content in which you are posting, which to me isn't overly useful. Now that you feel like I'm attacking you you post your 4th longest post in the game thus far.

What's wrong with the way she posts? She manages to equal, and even surpass your content in half as many lines.

I'm not saying that 'longer posts' will make you look less scummy, I'm saying that they will help me get a better read on you. So far you have done nothing that makes you look towny in my eyes, and I'm a skeptic when it comes to playstyle.

Really? Nothing? Are you reading every post in this game? Half the time it seems like you skim posts. (inb4 I'm insulting you again somehow)

Regardless it is day 1 and I want a lortaku lynch.

Why? You've only really said one thing about him. You said you voted him because he townread you for the same reason he voted you in the first place. Is that the only thing you have against him?

If you want a list of things that you've said that I think make you seem scummy on top of your content, I'll try to ISO you soon when I have time.

Whether she wants it or not, if you think she's scum, you should probably be doing this anyways.

You know what, I don't like that he calls out Lortaku for not posting when I feel like he's posting enough to avoid lurker status himself.

UNVOTE:
VOTE: JerryArr

I'll switch back if necessary.

Jerry, lortaku, and nqt are all almost two days idle, with just about 24 hours to go. Grrr.

pitoli are you saying you find a lortaku lynch and a Jerry lynch equally preferable right now? Please elaborate.

Xiao I don't want to talk about D2 reads until we get there.

rmp, I'm thrirding that request for your case. Before the end of D1, preferably.

Sorry for typos, on my phone.

Posting out of my computer science class atm :
I don't really have a lot of ideas. Sorry I'm just not good at reads in general. I would like to throw my vote on Jerry for lurking, but that would just be bandwagoning, and it would make me appear very scum, even if he flips scum. Also it would put him at L-1, and I feel that as one of the two top votes I can't make that decision.
I'd prefer not to claim, but I am town.

In #238 Jerry said that he would be willing to hammer me if the time got near, and he hasn't posted since. I guess that could be something scummy. Especially if I end up being hammered by Jerry out of nowhere, I would pressure him to figure out more information.

In post 311, Mr. Flay wrote:

Mod can we get some prods if you haven't already?

notquitethere is the only player within prod range. notquitethere will be prodded.

Apologies for my inactivity.

First, while 's (perhaps extreme) defense of me is appreciated, I do think it is a tiny bit suspicious, especially with where I stand right now, enough so that I have doubts about her towniness.

Secondly, .


's 300 is what I like to see, although I was referring to Jon voting for Kattaze, not you, Flay. A lot of timing-based reads, though, in a game where I would say quite a few people here aren't experienced with how the nuances of MafiaScum mafias work, myself included, it's a bit weird scumhunting wise, although I can see it from an IC capacity.

In post 301, Xiao Long wrote: Am I the only one that thinks NQT reeks of scum? >.<

I'd listed him 4th scummiest, I don't know how much that counts, but I wouldn't say he's reeking of scum.

Ah! I think my intended post yesterday didn't get sent-- what I thought I'd said but apparently didn't:

+Kattaze+ raises some interesting points about Jon, but at the moment we have had so little from Lortaku.

+Lortaku+, if you've got a power role or a compelling case against someone else we need to hear it. I don't want to lynch you if you're town but we need reasons.

+Jerry+, I'm not sure whether to take your claim at face value- frankly I can see motivation for all alignments and roles to claim vanilla.

(Apologies for the short response- posting from phone at the moment)

I'll try to do the ISO tomorrow. It's Friday night and this girl has plans.

In post 316, notquitethere wrote: +Jerry+, I'm not sure whether to take your claim at face value- frankly I can see motivation for all alignments and roles to claim vanilla.

Right, especially this early in the game with no night (and no night information) as of yet. I didn't expect to be in the position to claim so early, but I guess here we are.

In post 316, notquitethere wrote: +Jerry+, I'm not sure whether to take your claim at face value- frankly I can see motivation for all alignments and roles to claim vanilla.

Right, especially this early in the game with no night (and no night information) as of yet. I didn't expect to be in the position to claim so early, but I guess here we are.

@ Lortaku I wouldn't claim unless/until someone is threatening to hammer, and not before. If it wasn't so close to deadline I'd probably vote NQT for asking you if you were a PR. I really don't like it.

I'll take Jerry's crumb with a grain of salt, but you guys, IF your Town you're making it harder on us. You realize you're giving scum more than you need to, don't you? Keep quiet about your roles until you have absolutely no other choice. And even then think about the risk/reward to Town first.

BTW, I'm a Townie!!! lol

In post 320, jon_h61 wrote:BTW, I'm a Townie!!! lol

*smack*

Jerry's breadcrumb is REALLY weird. Why would anybody breadcrumb that they were NOT a Power Role?? Do you think someone is going to disbelieve you??

Not inclined to unvote. That post stinks. However we now have two valid lynches tied. Those voting someone with less than 3 votes probably want to reconsider their strategy....22 hours left.

... Come ON guys. Post!

I'm headed to bed, then going out of town in the morning. Will have my phone, but any posts will be short until late afternoon.

In post 315, JerryArr wrote:Apologies for my inactivity.

First, while

Kattaze

's (perhaps extreme) defense of me is appreciated, I do think it is a tiny bit suspicious, especially with where I stand right now, enough so that I have doubts about her towniness.

What are you on about? When did I make an extreme defense for you? I made a defense of lortaku, not you. Also just because my name starts with 'Kat' doesn't mean I'm a girl.

Even though Jerry is annoying, I don't think this vote against him has any merit. I take it that people are not convinced/haven't read/don't want to look sheepish by my case against jon. Apparently it's much more effective to jump on tiny things that don't say much about the person like people have done with Jerry.

By the way, I expect to be NK'd tonight so here is my scumlist:

1. jon
2. Mr. Flay
3. NQT/lortaku
4. Xiao/rmp
5. Jerry
6. pitoli

In post 311, Mr. Flay wrote:pitoli are you saying you find a lortaku lynch and a Jerry lynch equally preferable right now? Please elaborate.

Yes, I think so. Jerry has done more to look suspect but that might be simply because he has more content. I still think Lortaku be noobscum.

I will also try to be on my phone tomorrow right up until deadline so I can keep up. With town's current activity though, I'm not exactly expecting a flurry of posts at day's end. At that point it will be hard to differentiate between scum pushing a possible mislynch and town avoiding a no-lynch. Flay was right when he said lynch reasoning starts to get handwavy the closer we get to deadline.