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Post Post #300 (ISO) » Thu Mar 16, 2006 1:22 pm

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N_Lich contacted me after the second basic townie died. He then contacted me before I contacted him about anything about my role. As such, it should be obvious what happened. N_Lich went to David, who gave my name to him. The delay was mostly because of a certain confirmation stage David tried before he would trust N_Lich enough to give out my name. Hence I got the pm on day three.
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Post Post #301 (ISO) » Thu Mar 16, 2006 9:21 pm

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chaotic_diablo wrote:N_Lich contacted me after the second basic townie died. He then contacted me before I contacted him about anything about my role. As such, it should be obvious what happened. N_Lich went to David, who gave my name to him. The delay was mostly because of a certain confirmation stage David tried before he would trust N_Lich enough to give out my name. Hence I got the pm on day three.
I said to N_linch that I would only give him a name if I survived the night.
I would be happy to claim next but I will leave it up to you guys ..
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Post Post #302 (ISO) » Fri Mar 17, 2006 3:53 am

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davidangelsummers wrote:I said to N_linch that I would only give him a name if I survived the night.
I am not following this logic at all. If N_lich is innocent, and a basic townie, as he says, he has not control over you surviving or not surviving the night. On the other hand, if he's scum, he has full control of your survival by (duh) not killing you. So in which way exactly does your night survival convince you he deserves to be given a name?

PS: also, you said "N_linch" instead of N_lich - Freud is proud :) :)
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Post Post #303 (ISO) » Fri Mar 17, 2006 2:38 pm

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I'm sure I should have a post between CD's and DAS. :?

Anyway sorry for my absence.

I can corrobate the above posts of DAS and CD.

To clarify: Das post's CD's message in thread on Day2. I immedaitely contacted DAS and asked for the name of the poster. He deferred saying he didn't trust me but passed on that it was CD on day 3.
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Post Post #304 (ISO) » Fri Mar 17, 2006 3:35 pm

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Ok. So far we have:

Sotty7 - phone tapper
CD - vanilla w/some connection to N_lich
N_lich - vanilla w/some connection to CD

N_lich, who's next?
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Post Post #305 (ISO) » Sun Mar 19, 2006 2:24 pm

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Oh, what the hell, I'll go ahead and claim:

Alexander = MASON RECRUITER WITH A TWIST.

david, you're next (and last), and then we can discuss everything and hopefully solve this.
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Post Post #306 (ISO) » Sun Mar 19, 2006 4:54 pm

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What's the twist?
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Post Post #307 (ISO) » Sun Mar 19, 2006 9:02 pm

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DAS: Role blocker\Townie
I have a can of Mace. I have used it once on Glork.
Alex if your a recruiter who did you recruit ?
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Post Post #308 (ISO) » Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:43 am

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The "twist" to my role is that if I try to recruit a scum, I die. Hence, I didn't try to recruit anyone yet because I didn't know whom to trust. Ok, now that we have all 5 claims, its possible to do some analysis. BRB with my thoughts.
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Post Post #309 (ISO) » Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:49 am

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Ok, now that I have some time, I can make some proper analysis.

Any theory to be formulated must answer the following questions:
1. Who killed Glork?
2. Who made the extra kill on Night 1?
3. Why was there no mafia kill on Night 3?

The answer to 1 and 2, is obviously a Serial Killer (but who?).
The temptingly-simple answer to 3 is "because david blocked Glork", but this explanation doesn't hold water at all!
Glork's PM wrote:You are the Mafia Goon A. You are the second in command of your 3 man mafia.
So you pretty much do nothing unless your Godfather dies
. If this happens, then you are responsible for both PMing me who you'd like to kill, and actually performing the kill.
See? As long as the GF is alive, Glork does not actually perform the kill. Two other reasons why the mafia kill didn't go through, one simple, on complex:

Simple: N_lich was off-site all of Night 3 ... he is the mafia GF, and simply didn't submit a kill.
Complex: Glork's death actually IS the mafia kill - his own GF killed him not knowing he's mafia.

I tend to believe the complex explanation less, because 3 days into the game, I would guess the mafia would already know each other. I think we can apply Occam's razor here and go for the simple. (btw, even if we embrace the complex explanation, this still leaves a question of where did the SK go for 2 nights in a row?)

Now, about david's claim: why on earth would there be two pro-town roleblockers in such a small game? This just doesn't make sense; see, most roles in the game are in the "lying-cheating-scumbag" spirit.
Now, I can swallow the fact that a couple of people will have "normal" roles (cop, doc, blocker, etc.), but what I find difficult to swallow is that the 2 people that have non-thematic roles (Greenliquid and david) have
almost the same role
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To summarize,
FOS davidangelsummers
FOS N_lich


PS: before the end of the day, I'd like to try to recruit someone. LMK if you want to volunteer... if I die in the process, you're obviously scum...
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Post Post #310 (ISO) » Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:26 pm

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I'll volunteer to be recruited.

I'd like David to elaborate more on his role. Whereas GreenLiquid had a few special conditions, I'm thinking there has to be more than a simple block. I also want to know why he chose Glork.
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Post Post #311 (ISO) » Mon Mar 20, 2006 12:46 pm

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Great, we have our first volunteer! Mason recruitment requires you to send the mod a certain key phrase that I will later PM you (I won't post it publicly, since that way a scum can kill me at will).
- If something bad happens to me: The person I tried to recruit is scum, lynch him.
- If the volunteer claims to have undergone the recruitment process but I receive no notification from the mod: the town will know that one of us is lying.

I would like to have some further discussion on the roleclaims, and on the relative levels of suspicion before I give CD the key phrase... I literally am entrusting you with my life...
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Post Post #312 (ISO) » Mon Mar 20, 2006 7:10 pm

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I'll happily offer myself up for recruitment too. I just hope it's not cult recruitment....but I think that would make things real unbalanced. Alex can you recruit more than one person per day? Or is it a limited thing? Cause we could just progress down the player list until someone kills him and then lynch that person.

I do think that N_lich is our last scum and it seems very likely that David is our SK. Id' be happy with a lynch on either tonight.
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Post Post #313 (ISO) » Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:02 pm

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I have a can of mace and I spray people in the eye..Stops any shenanigans that night..
I don’t know if I have any spray left ..Mod would not say..
Now FTLOG …Why Glork..He was overly aggressive and acting out far to much to be a Doc or cop .I thought he might be SK..

I was last to claim …”A can of Mace” is hardly one of the best items I could have pulled out the bag in such a strong position, If I where the scum you claim me to be..
I also Don’t see the mafia forgetting to kill anybody..

Sotty. you followed Glork yesterday and Alex today ..are there any alarm bells ringing in anyone’s head ?..
With 5 people and 2 scum left Im surprised that people want the day finished so quick
(I mean that kind of play has worked so well for the scum thus far..)
If I go today your left with 4 people 2 scum..Now you might get lucky and scum may “forget” to lynch again but I doubt it…
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We talk outside the thread anyway I would like to hear the benefits from ye old “im trusting you with life” recruitment man..
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Post Post #314 (ISO) » Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:20 am

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I can recruit 1 player per day/night cycle.
If I recruit today and live, I can try again tomorrow morning.
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Post Post #315 (ISO) » Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:00 am

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davidangelsummers wrote:I would like to hear the benefits from ye old “im trusting you with life” recruitment man..
The benefits are obvious:
1. A townie recruitment allows us to confirm each other. In a 5 player endgame, 2 confirmeds are a force to be reckoned with.
2. A scum would be reluctant to do this, since my death reveals him as scum. Guess what, the two players who DID NOT volunteer for recruitment are the ones I have a FOS on... makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside.
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Post Post #316 (ISO) » Tue Mar 21, 2006 6:13 am

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davidangelsummers wrote:Sotty. you followed Glork yesterday and Alex today ..are there any alarm bells ringing in anyone’s head ?..
I hardly say I followed Glork yesterday if anything, he attached himself to me because he knew me as pro town role. Even when he told me of CD's plan yesterday I messaged him that I didn't trust him....I mean, why should I? I was still kinda shocked that he was scum, but it did explain a lot.
davidangelsummers wrote:I don’t know if I have any spray left ..Mod would not say..
A nice way to say to say that you won't be able to roleblock tonight to prove yourself.
davidangelsummers wrote:I was last to claim …”A can of Mace” is hardly one of the best items I could have pulled out the bag in such a strong position, If I where the scum you claim me to be..
This is strictly WIFOM
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Post Post #317 (ISO) » Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:21 am

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I'm happy to be recruited. My thoughts in order of suspiscion. :

1. DAS- claim doesn't match theme, set's up a possible excuse as why he can't do it again, why would he have used it only once if he doesn't know it's one shot?

large gap

2. Chaotic Diablo - Very early roleclaim of role I find extremely believable due to the tie in with mine, even if at his point it seems the whole business was a red herring. Possible it's a sort of safe claim for scum- but I don't think this is particularly likely.
3. Alexander- doesn't look scummy subject to ability being confirmed- I'm fine with being recruited.
4. Sotty7- claimed role with an implied existnce without being countered.



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Post Post #318 (ISO) » Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:58 pm

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Bloody hell.... There must be 2 scums among the 4 of you, yet 3 people volunteer to be recruited. One of those 3 must be a scum with cajones the size of billiard balls, that's all I can say.

I need some time to re-read everything and grade my suspicions, then I'll extend an offer to one of the 3.
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Post Post #319 (ISO) » Tue Mar 21, 2006 2:52 pm

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To be honest, I was surprised that Glork was scum. I don't believe in a tie in with Sotty, but it's still possible. As far as I'm concerned, the scum role did say their lines might be tapped, which suggests that there might not be a tapper at all. This is afterall "lying" cheating scumbag mafia so I wouldn't be surprised if our own roles lied to us.

I'm not saying that our roles are untrustworthy themselves, it's just a funny thing to speculate about.

My suspicions are pretty much spread throughout. I'll reevaluate them.
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Post Post #320 (ISO) » Tue Mar 21, 2006 3:43 pm

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I have decided to invite CD to be recruited. I will PM his the key phrase shortly.
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Post Post #321 (ISO) » Wed Mar 22, 2006 1:48 pm

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I'm alive!!


I have received notification from Bacde that CD and myself are now able to confirm each other's townhood.

I shall now twiddle my thumbs while I wait for CD to confirm this.
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Post Post #322 (ISO) » Wed Mar 22, 2006 2:53 pm

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I have received the pm from Bacde. We are indeed masons.
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Post Post #323 (ISO) » Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:45 pm

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You where telling the truth …????
I don’t know whats going on ..
So that makes Sotty and N_Linch scum right?
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Post Post #324 (ISO) » Thu Mar 23, 2006 3:19 am

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Nice try, but I strongly believe that you are the scum, for:
a. Having a claim that doesn't fit the theme, plus we already had a pro-town roleblocker
b. Being the only one not volunteer for recruitment

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